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Salvation at the Dew Drop Inn

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Brandy new and just for you! Nate has returned to talk wrapping dogs in velvet, overactive salivary glands, the Salvation Army scam (that just sounds catchy, it's actually about how they use addicts for underpaid labor, wait...that IS a scam!), negative thoughts out to nuke good vibes and the innapropriate way to deal with them, holiday gifting and no longer being hip to hard core. Plus, we throw in all of our other shenanigans free of charge! 

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What it does is reaches into your brain chemically and no cage your happiest memory chemically, and then blocks on that emotion and releases it chemically, and then it keeps your happy, happy. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the selling out show. We screw up life at our leisure for your listening pleasure. I am one of your hosts, David Schultz, and just to get this out of the way, you may notice I have a small sinus issue. But Fret not, because I do in fact have a tissue. I will continue to press on because, you know what, intristically, deep down inside, I am a warrior, you know, here for you. But guess what, folks, we got a good one plan for you today. And why is it so good? Is it because of what we're going to discuss? Who Woo, if you notice, I just said we because bad act by popular demand. Oh yes, indeed, the man, the myth, the legend himself. Ladies En Gentlemen, my cohost, Nathan Gores in Ski. Nate, how the hell have you been, man man, I know it's been a long time. I've been I've been okay, yeah, it has been a long time. Huh. Well, it has been a long time and okay, while acceptable, is not all the least the level of vigor and vim I was hoping to get out of you after this grandiose introduction. Well, I'm okay, which is better than it's been. I've a lot of things have happened since I've been here. Okay, I'll say that like part of it was I was really sick for like it wasn't Covid I'll get that out of the way. I was I was laid out, had no energy for about a week or so recently and it took a lot out of me. Had To covid test during that time. Who they're both negative and I am vaccinated and everything, like, I don't know. It was weird, but I just was like what else could it be? Like it's some horrible virus I got, but anyway, so that that's why I'm like, I'm just kind of okay because I'm still kind of that was recent Ken of Yeah, here why I'm going through that right now? Well, something like that. I mean my face is all stuffy and puffy and feeling, you know, congested. So I'm not exactly laid out because I can just take some some Medicina and get back going. I mean my pipes, I think, still sound good. Yeah, Nice, sounds sultry. You sound like Demi Moore, kind of smoky. Hey, hi, there, Demi Moore in stripped. He's maybe perhaps I was thinking one crazy summer. Oh, that's the best, Demi more right there she she was a rocker. She was playing at the do drop in. Yeah, the do to drop. Well, I'm glad you're on the men. I know for a bit there you were down in Tennessee, that's correct. Yeah, doing your animal tricks. So tell me a little bit about that. What was going on down South, man? Yeah, well, we were down at the Doberman nationals. Okay, for the the dober nationals, as I like to call him, because it sounds fun Nash, not the do drop, the dober nationals. Yeah, okay, yeah, we were. We've been into dog shows for a while. Well, I'll clarify. Carly has been really into dog shows with my significant other, which means I have been into dog shows as well, because it's kind of like it's hard to yeah, to peas in a pod, right, you tied together at the hip, lovers, yeah, going to do with the other lover wants to do. So I'm there. You Go. So you're down at the Doberman show with your lady love. Did you win? We well, it's competitions every day, one after another, like our long at a time, not even an hour, usually like thirty five minutes at a time. So it's like so there's so many of them. So yeah, we did. We did actually win. We won, I believe, to first place ribbons or prizes, and then like a third and a fourth over the course of like basically everyone we entered with our dog. We won something, I think. I...

...think, if I remember, grant. Okay, you know, I like to this is like the reference to a sports franchise. Even though you don't play for them, you still say we. I mean, didn't your dog do all the work? Your dog be heralded as the champion here, but you keep saying, Oh, me and my Old Lady, we won. Yeah, it's like we're pregnant. Know what, not exactly, but still like your dog did good. I mean, I what's the whole thing here? Like you teach the dog how to do something. That's why you're taking credit. You know, it's not even that much. Like really we well, the training she's gotten is very minimal comparatively. Like there are what's called like agility training, where they run through a whole course, and that's something we'd like to get into, or or there's obediency or, you know, I forget, of discipline or something, something, something kinky like that. But like training where it's they do tricks. Yeah, they have to know so many tricks, where it's like it might be like a there's a list of fifteen tricks and you have to do at least like eight or ten of them, you know, so you have kind of an op selection. But it's things like, you know, they can jump up on something on command, like a stool. Or yeah, they walk across a beam or you know, certain things that I'm yeah, but I but it's like fifteen of those different things and they all add up to a pretty well trained dog. I tell the dog to order a pizza. That I used to press me right there. I used the train and a dog at this halfway, how's of years ago, and we taught it to turn on lights, which is mentioned that on air, I think the last time you were on. So quinkydinker, right there, bubs, it wouldn't surprise me. My life is all about dogs. I'm sure if talked extensively about dogs lately. I don't know. We Dave, we, we used to show. I say we again. You, Gorli, used to show horses. When I was first together with carly, like eight, nine years ago, we would go to horse shows. Carly had a couple horses. She would usually take one at a time two different shows and never took more than one. But still, dude, that's a huge production. Your you have to have a whole separate trailer just for this animal, to cart this animal to, you know, whatever show, and you might be driving an hour or two away with this fucking giant beast in a trailer behind the truck that could, you know, freak out at any time and start slamming against the walls of the thing. And like we actually have to even wrap them up in this like felt stuff, like felt strips, like, Huh, wind them around the horses ankles and put these like protective boot things over there though, over their hoofs and wow, put the yeah, they like this hood over that. Like the point is you have to package this whole thing up, get to the barn super early in the morning. It's a big production. Sure do it. Yeah, it's a dog. The dog jumps in the car and we go, you know what I mean, and like so it's I like it a lot more doing the dog shows if I had a choice, but downsized. I mean you can still wrap the dog in Velvet. Yeah, just for fun, I guess. Nice and relaxing, sure, but I mean, yeah, I mean, why would you want a cart around a thousand pound fucking Prima Donna? Yeah, we carse tell Fido to hop in the fucking back seat. Yeah, they ye know. Yeah, Dude. And the thing I that I like about it is that we also we have a doberman that we got from this breeder and pretty much all of the dogs she's bread have ours. You know, they're active show dogs for the most part. Less they're too old, so we and we meet up with all it's like a family of Doberman's that all kind of like meet up at these shows. And so you said the rats them right, so that as we did. You're all villains that you took them from their cousins and brothers and sisters. But then a you know, once or twice a year, Hey, look, that dog is related to you. Are At least should be related to what we Yank you away just to show you off? That make you feel bad. Yeah, that's sorting. Sorry, that's all right, but yeah, I guess. I mean it's weird. Callie does get along with her sister. She doesn't get along with a lot of dogs, but she does like get on. I would say I think callie is like racists, cap use. This is your Doberman now, yeah, callie. Oh, yeah, I guess I should have clarify. I did mention to the horses wearing hoods, so that's not a good sign for race relations. So what's going on with the dog? Wow, well, the dog is German and, Oh no, only only seems to like other Doberman's for the most part. But I don't know if that makes me racist for noticing something like that in a German like a my racist against Germans? I don't know. This whole thing is weird. Yeah, you are a human equivalent of coujoe. That's...

...you, you know, real quick, speaking at dogs. Did you know that Turner and who's got canceled on Disney plus? I didn't know there was a series for turning. Yeah, that was I mean, I just read that this morning and I'm a little bummed out because it's one of those things where it's a family friendly show, so I can watch it with my nine year old. Yeah, it's also self serving because one of the actresses on the show is like Super Hot. So I'm like watching and he's like Oh, yeah, cool, like the guys bomb with a dog and they're stopping crimes, and I'm like, Oh, show me more that dog trader. That's what I'm here for. I'm not here from love those scenes. Yeah, and I'm going to Slob her all over that. Come on now. So I'm a little bummed out. Wow, yeah, that's too bad. I watch way too much TV. This is a nit. You're not even kidding. You really watched her hoop? Yeah, I have been, and I wrap myself up in a Tortilla blanket and watch all this television. But I just figured I bring that up because you know dogs. Sure TV show relating to dogs. So yeah, yeah, I guess. No, dude, I see I see a lot of those dogs, those Turner and hooch dogs. This is gross. Those things are for they're awful. Why would anybody want something like that? I agree. I made a well, carly and I both made a decision. No more druly dogs. We used to have like this Bassett Hound bulldog mix who was a sweet dog, but he was a druly flaker. Was Disgusting. Yeah, it's kind of gross. So if we have the option, we're not going to we're not gonna choose that option anymore. So, no, I mean imagine it like that was embodied as a person may be put in an institution or like have some kind of like, I don't know, medical card. Yeah, please excuse me. It's like Turette's, but you made this is probably a legit thing. I bet you there are like or some kind of condition for drooling overactive Sali. Very glad, exactly. Right, right, right, yeah, that's I'm sure that's what it is. So most deaf, I guarantee it, but but yeah, Masso. Wrap Up. It was fun down there. I got to hang out with all the dogs, because the women are mostly the dog showers, the ones that are more into it. I happen to be one of the men that go with his significant other, to be honest, and like I just hang out with the freaking dogs all day and walk them one by one or you know a few of them, and so I just get to hang out dogs all day and I so I enjoy it. I get baked and just walk dogs all they choose dogs over Dave. I know it, Sup I know where your priorities lie. It's is whatever, man, it's great. Good for you. Yeah, I'm just at home watching Disney. Plus you're out gallivanting with racist dogs. So cool, awesome. Is that really all you had to say about the subjects? I want to switch gears now. I want to know. That's fine. I want to take it to a different, different place, because, you know, Christmas. Maybe you heard of it? I don't know. Apparently it's heard. There's a war on it. Yeah, as on going. It's longer than the war on drugs. But yeah, you know, if you have heard of it's right around the corner. is coming up this month. It is, in fact December, so you know, it's the time of giving. That's what it is. It's time for charity. It's it's some people say charity starts at home, which is a line I never understood. You you know where that comes from? The origins of the whole charity it starts at home thing? I don't know. Maybe it means you should feed your kids. Yeah, it's like charity. That's sue. Yeah, well, I mean I think legally as a responsibility you have. So it can't be charity. Charities like a voluntary giving of something. I assume I'm not very charitable, I don't. Maybe desert then. Yeah, they don't need dessert. If anybody knows the origins of charity, starts at home. Feel free to email us. Selling out show at GMAILCOM or hit us up on the socials, twitter, selling out show, Yadda, Yada. Yet you guys get the drill selling out show, but I'm curious. I want to know and I don't want to Google it. I don't want to do that because that's just too easy. You know what I mean? That's what you people are for. Yeah, he's talking to you. Yeah, you, Mr Whoever you are with the earbuds in Orm is mis, might be talking to is. Yeah, I mean, I like to listen to shows while I'm naked in the shower, so maybe I'm reaching out to you, inquiring about this at a very private moment for you. Hop On is listening to us in the show. Yeah, hello, hi, they tell you about the dog trainer and Turner and Hooch. But any way, back to the task...

...at hand here. I'm bringing all this up because, you know, nate, a long time ago we're talking the early odds, the OS. Yeah, it is the odds, right. Yeah, that would be outs. Sounds like the Mars attacks aliens. Mm ought to be called something else. Yeah, Ha, Ha Ha, your dad joke game is toit. So you were doing some work with the Salvation Army. Now a lot of people know the Salvation Army because they get their santas everywhere ringing that Damn Bell, right, which must be a tough thing now because no one carries cash. Do you ever keep change? I don't keep change. No, man, it's dirty's filthy. I don't want in my pocket. I got a cad. People are throwing bitcoin in there. How that works? Yeah, I can. I venmou Santa. Yeah, that's actually I probably just gave him a fucking great idea. They put the little Qr Code Right on the golden going to call it an urn, but it's a bucket little they cattle. There we go that seasonal. Thank you very much. During the called, this is not Halloween anymore. But any of them are replicable, I suppose, but you know, you seem to think, or know rather, that the salvation army might in fact be running a scam. All right, well, them's strong word. Yes, indeed. I'll just go so far as to say that I see the Salvation Army Santas everywhere and it just kind of like I don't, I don't usually give to them, and it's a personal thing. It's not. It's not something that like most people, yeah, like feel free to give. They actually give. I guess about eighty two percent of their charities do go to what they're supposed to go to. It's very you know, the overheads not huge, they're not keeping a bunch of the money. They're rated very highly as far as charities go. Okay, they also their big business is also helping addicts. They have a drug and alcohol recovery, you know, section of their service where they have these buildings all over the place that are residential drug and alcohol treatment programs, like halfway house type programs. Now, I happen to have stayed at one years and years ago. I didn't last super long and I'll explain why. Like the program is run by Christians, very devout Christians, which, you know, whatever, I figure it out. You know, that's fine, I can handle that. I'm a personally an atheist, but I'm like, I can deal with that. Out I'm being Golram. Yeah, Jingle, sure, why not? I need help. You know, this place is willing to take me. I can do this. And I get there and all admit, the facility was pretty nice, but, like the the conditions weren't bad. where he lived. The food was pretty good. But like, they have you work like as an addict who's just coming in off the street. They make you work like a forty hour shift for their company, which you know it's good to learn to work. They call it work therapy. Great, okay, but they they make you work forty hours a week the whole time you're there and they give you at the end of the week a five dollar gratuity. They call it. They call it work therapy, but they give you a gratuity, not a paycheck, and make but it's five dollars. Can I stop you for a second, because sure you've peeked my curiosity here. Yeah, you just said they take you in right off the street. Yeah, there's no like detoxing or even, I don't know, on the I don't know training or something like. It's like hey, no, do whatever the fuck we tell you to do and you're going to get you five bucks or in you. I mean, you could be fresh. Yeah, you can steam and hot addict state here. You know what I mean. So what happens there? That's true. They don't have a detox. There by entering you kind of already are saying you've got that part of it out of you, like some yeah, so it's kind of the place you would go after a dtox. But they will take you right from the street. If you don't need it, they they let you, you know, make that decision. If you don't think you need the detox, you can go right there. I got you. If they take it, you know, if there's room. But the reason and I went there was because it's one of these places it's hard to get into, a halfway house, like there's a waiting list of Mile Long, but there's always beds at the season army and I that was kind of a warning when I was looking for a place. It was like people would say there's always room there and it's like, well, wait a minute, well, why, you know, like but I figured, like I said, I can handle it. But it's like on top of the work thing. The work is what it is. You know, I'm not whining about having to work forty hours. It's you're in this dirty factory where all the donations come in and you're sorting through clothes and throwing away all the stuff because most people don't understand quality levels of like what you should be donating and what you shouldn't. And a lot of stuff comes in covered in grime and you know and whatever, like just stains and body sticking like whatever, just and it's yeah, I mean it's dirty work...

...and it's in a horrible facility. There's there's a perpetual mountain of clothing in the middle of the warehouse that I'm talking is probably twenty feet high, maybe like five twenty fee I. But it's spread out like a bit. It takes up a lot of room in the middle of the warehouse. And that's just the pile of clothes that gradually gets pulled away from and sort it through at separate stations and but it gradually gets refilled all the time too. But and all the stuff that's deemed kind of too gross to go to the public or to go in their storts because, mind you, all the stuff is now being sold at a cheap price and it's you know, and it does help the cause, but they're getting these donations and then selling them, you know. And Yeah, and so the stuff that's not worthy of being sold all gets put in a bailing machine and sent overseas and bales to like, you know, countries that need them, which is why it is a reputable charity. It's just as someone that needed to go there and stay there, like the way they run this thing. There's more to it. But, you know, are you following me so far? Well, you know, I have a little inside knowledge, thank you very much, because I worked at goodwill for a short time, and I did that not because I was in need of help, just because I was into antiques and I thought, okay, I'm hitting up all these, you know, secondhand stores trying to find cool stuff. What if I work it one? It gives me the inside track. But for my experience, I know exactly what you talking about with all this the crappy crap. But people tend to drop off thinking, Oh yeah, well, whatever, it's like. They almost use these charities as a garbage can as well. Absolute Yay, you know, what the Hell? I cleaned out my clawset, I cleaned out my attic. I'm just going to throw it all in bags and it's leave it on the doorstep. Yeah, but good will, I wasn't. I kind of noticed that they weren't. You keep you know, you've stated that Salvation Army is a reputable charity. Good charity, good will? I don't think so personally. So I was like, you know what, I thought this would be more fun than it really is. I think I did it for a couple weeks. I did get some cool star wars glasses nice from bk back in the day. So yeah, who is right? But that was it. But yeah, I am following you. I think our listeners would be as well, basically, because you just describing, you know, any kind of like a setting where this basically a bunch of trash put into a heat and they pay people a ridiculously low amount of money to go through it and sort it right. Yeah, and and on top of that, they there is some they cover their asses as far as making it a recovery program because they they do have. You go to like a couple of groups. There might be like one a week of some kind of a relapse prevention group or something, and they do require everyone who's yeah, you've worked a Eighthour Day and they make you go, I don't remember if it was five days a week or just a couple or like three, to every other day or every day, it's been so long, but to go to meetings like an AA meeting at, you know, seven o'clock or whatever time they happen to be, and not just that. So that's the recovery part of it. On. The more important thing is that every Sunday you have to go to a church service and you have to get dressed up for it and they will give you a voucher if you don't have proper clothing, to to buy clothes at their store that, as a worker, you're not entitled to get free close they let you get stuff. So in case you don't have anything for church and because they make you, even though it's just you guys. You're not going to a public church here. It's just all the clients going with the staff to a church in the building. You have to be all dressed up on Sunday. You have to go on Wednesday. You also have a church service after work before you're AA meeting that you have to go to and but that one you don't have to get dressed up for. But then you also have Bible study two days a week for our long classes. So they the religious thing is very you know, that's more important than the Drug Treatment Program. It's more that they're trying to convert and see, you know, push that whole Christian thing on you. And you know, I signed up for it. I knew that it was a Christian program. I didn't know it is going to be that crazy, but that kind of thing where it's like you barely have any time for yourself. And just a quick thing. I know I'm kind of going off on this, but the first day you're there, you are doing interviews and they're letting you kind of get your bed together and whatever. You're moving in, but since you are staying there that day, they call it like that you owe them that day's rent. So you're supposed to you have to make up that first day's work, but they're nice about it.

They let you your first Saturday, they let you work a half day, but then you got to work the other half of it the following Saturday. So your first two weekends you don't even have a full Saturday off because you have to make up that day you were you know, that's unpacking and getting there. Like you know what this is sounding like to me right now, because if you brought up child labor in like a third world country, everybody knows it happens. We're all wearing shirts made in Bangladesh or Barbie dolls made in Taiwan, and it's like, oh, those kids make sixty three cents an hour to assemble these freaking goods that we use in enjoy every day. You know the outrage. You know what I mean. Yeah, but you're telling me the salvation army is using addicts in a similar fashion and only paying them five dollars a week. Yeah, that's what I'm telling I've dollars a week and for forty hours of work. That's correct, and they there's probably loopholes because yet again, you mentioned it's a recovery program I want to wrap myself out here, though. There is so if you stay for the six months, by the time you leave you have worked up to twenty dollars a week, but it's over the course of however long you're there, it gradually moves up from five to six to seven, all the way up to twenty. I forget how quickly it moves up each dollar, but the most it caps at twenty. So you might be making twenty bucks a week by the end of your six months day. And but get this. You're at a drug program. You graduate after six months, where are you going to go? You haven't saved any money, you haven't built a life, you've been working for this machine for six months. Most halfway houses let you go out and find a job so when you're done you can actually get it. You know, have your own place, save up some money, this place, they and that, but they will let you stay after you've worked your six months and get a job. But it's like, you know, now they're charging you like, you know, basically a full rent, like it's a it's a good amount of money where it's hard to save up, like they're still, you know, and most people don't even make it those six months. So basically they don't. You know those, those apartments. I don't even know if I knew anyone that was staying in them. The the actual you know, after this holy macaroni. Yeah, really, you know it, because I'm thinking now you're there sorting through stuff. Right, there's got to be other employees that are in their the rehabilitation program that work. Or is it just volunteers or what? Now there's employees. So they're making whatever, you know, eight bucks now or said, whatever the case may be, but they're making a per hour wage and they go home every day. Yeah, but they mean work with the addicts. You're only making five dollars a week. Isn't that some the I think the only employee employees there are, though I think it might be like the supervisory people. So it's not like I think pretty much all the people that are doing the sifting through shit are addicts. At the one I was at in Worcester mass and a few of the people that work in the store, because there is the store there to Sally's Boutique, they call it, where they sell the stuff. The you know they have a store on the same property and that there are a few addicts that work there that have been there for a long time, you know. So they've earned the reputation, I mean the clout, if you will, to work in the storefront part. But but yeah, so, I mean some of those store workers might be, you know, civilians, if you will. Some of the staff might be civilian. Our civilians are like street worker people, you know, not street workers. That sounds like process. Yeah, like little know what I mean? Yeah, but like non clients. So it's basically just the supervisory people and yeah, maybe the kitchen staff, I forget. You know. It's I was only there for a short amount of time because I couldn't handle it and I couldn't hack it. You're freshly clean, I'm not. I'm I had a hard time just staying sober. Never Mind, you know, pretending I can handle all this Christian stuff, like several hours a week, like I you know, it was it was it was weird, but it's yes, I didn't make a supation. You know, I'm kind of quiet listening to you. Normally I'm talking a lot. I was about to do what I was just talking about. I talk all over you, but this time I didn't because I listening. I'm thinking. I'm like wow, you know, it's always amazing to me, and I know a lot of other folks out there, because you don't know how some things work, you know, and when you find out it's pretty interesting. I mean it could be something like this, like the Salvation Army to even if you were in a supermarket, in the plastic bag that you used to put your bananas in, there's some dude in a factory out there who's printing on those bags. Like maybe I sound crazy,...

I don't know, but I'm just thinking, like there's always a process behind something that we're not aware of. We don't know, we're blissfully unaware in a lot of cases. So I'm very interested when you talk about this stuff because it's enlightening, eye opening and informative. I think I just said that my cold is a informative. Informative, but informative. Get those sniffles out. Yeah, still, it's just wow. Yeah, it's just we don't see every path in life that there is, you know. So it's always interesting to see one that you're not familiar with. They're like one, yeah, how the sausages made it? Maybe? Yeah, that phrase many a million times. Yeah, we need you to go back now to that facility and liberate the other addicts. Okay, go in with like a fucking kilo a dope. Will know, let's know, that they'll all leave. Yeah, yeah, I was actually thinking more like s action movie, like you tie the red headband on your head, like Rambo, you kick open the door and you like, no more church motherfuckers, I'm set you off free and like your fucking laydoff of flaming Arrow and burn the giant heap of dirty clothes, and everybody's running around a Whooo, we're free and and then no one has a place to go or get their five dollars at the end of the week. But still don't just wow, I don't know if that would make people think twice about donating money. It makes me, you know, you know, but yeah, it makes me think twice. But yeah, that's why I was saying. Nobody else should, you know, make their decision based on what I'm saying. You know, I that's just why I get weirded out when I see the buckets and I you know, but I don't know, it's just me personally. I'll donate to freaking Red Cross or you know. You know, maybe what good wistmas. That's what you just did. You're get the war on Christmas. That's what you're doing, exactly Rambo style, as I was imagining in my mind. Is Still, you know, now you've ruined Christmas for everybody. Now we know, don't fucking donate to the Salvation Army. People, don't do it. I don't know if you want to say that. I said. It's too late. It's already come out of my face. Don't, don't go to the Salvation Army. fucking Sally's. Yeah, Fuck Sally's. You see Santy, punch him in the Goddamn him face. That's what you do. You take his bucket, you dump it all over the ground. Hopefully this is sewer great right there. So all the nickels and dimes or whatever they hell they put in there rolls down the great so no one can reach it and they're all fucked. And you know, there you go. They'll send an addict to go down all the change exactly, and there's going to be a paid supervisor making sure he'sn't putting that money in his pocket. You know, his raw red arm from trying to stick it through the sewer great. But seriously, that's fucking wild stuff, you know, and I like Christmas, I really do. I something I've warmed up to over the years. I was always like, you know, Christmas is like corporate and everything else, and it's still blown out of proportion and I'm not a religious person either, so I don't see the whole, you know, Christ symbolism involved. I is see fucking Nintendo's and, you know, fucking credit card, old credit card machines being fucking rung up. Yeah, speaking of which, did you happen to see that movie eight bit Christmas on Hbo Max? I haven't watched it. It's so fucking good. So and it was a book. I haven't read the book. Shame on me. Punch me in the face like you hit Santa. But that fucking movie, I think I've watched it like four or five times. It's the check it out. I've been in the Christmas spirit. That's what I'm trying to get to hear. I have been so happy and blissful knowing that Christmas is around the corn, because I have a child and he believes in the magic of Santa. It's a wonderful thing. I never wanted to go away. It's something I dread. I might have even brought this up before because it's one of my biggest fears. Is, you know, knowing that the fat man in the red suit is just the fat man who's normally sitting in the fucking recliner. You know what I mean. Yeah, spoiler alert. I should have I think if anybody's get their kids listening to the show anyway, they should probably be reassessed as parents and maybe, you know, rethink their choices in life. But still, what if like eight year olds are listening to us? What if they clicked on? Well then, fans, well, I you know, these things are labeled explicit. So if you are that mature of an eight year old and you can handle it and your parents are letting you go willy nilly all over the place and just listen to whatever the fuck you want to listen to, then you know what you deserve. What I just said spoiled. Spoiled it for you, while these kids don't have a chance. No, no, they don't, not know, with US involved on with this kind of anywhere their parents. But Gun. Yeah, so, you know, I I've been jolly, holly fucking Mr Christmas on the surface, but then, like when I'm alone, I haven't really fucking depressed. Lately I've had like this weird I...

...don't know if it's a Manch or something in my head right keep referring or thinking of things I have in the past tense is like had. Now, for examples sake, I have a dog. I've mentioned this on the show before, and I when I think of the dog, I'm what was projecting into the future, thinking about when I had the dog. Like the dog is die, the dog is gone, and I'm almost imagining a conversation I'd be having with family or friends about the memories we had with the dog. Why am I doing this? Why am I not living in the now? Why am I bumming myself out with these kind of thoughts about how everything will end? Everything eventually will be over. is nothing I can do about it. WHOA is me? The despair, the doom, the fucking gloom. Yet rum bum bum bum. But yet when I get out of work, man, I'm playing fucking Christmas songs and I'm like, Holy Shit, this fucking Kelly Clarkson tune is an absolute fucking banger. Yeah, this fucking go Christmas. And then I'm sitting there twiddle my thumbs and go and yeah, Whoa was fucking me? What is happening? Oh Man, I think it's natural. I've been kind of gone through it too. I mean, I don't know, it's I I recently had my oldest cat, like the pet I've actually had longer than any other, passed away recently. Got Hit by a car. was really it was a Shitty Day. You know, some people, some people, make fun of me for caring about a cat that much, but I had a really shitty time of it because we, you know, we were close and I love animals. Are Listeners know I love animals. I was talking about dogs earlier, but always, time I was saying about that recently. Always. So wait real quick. Who With these people making fun of you? Who? I don't know. Maybe I'm just fucking projecting, but you're imagining people fucking laughing at you? Yeah, maybe, I don't know. I just know people that hate cats over life, you know, throughout life. I don't like them. Yeah, but you don't want them dead, right, like well, no, no, and I can sympathy not laughing at somebody. Know you care and that's that's important. You care about your animals. You love these things, so I definitely feel for you. So, yeah, that's a Boma. That's my point. I was thinking the same thing. You know. I'll let you know. I don't mean to hijack this too, but I'm just saying, like I fucking I've been thinking with all my other animals, every time I'm petting them, I'm like, you know, pretty soon or at some point, not soon, but like I'm gonna be feeling this way about this animal that you know, I'm going to be feeling the same loss. And it's almost like every relationship you create, you know is gonna end at some point you're going to have to say goodbye. Hopefully you you know, maybe you luck out and die before, before the person you care about, so you don't have to deal with it. But but it's true. You know what I mean. Like it's hard. I've every relationship is going to end in either heart ache or a fucking death. You know, death is fucking terrible and I'm you know, I'm almost an expert and self sabotage, you know what I mean, but but not like I'm aware of it's almost like a subconscious thing where I'm fucking whistling Dixie, happy as a pagan, fucking Shit, and then my own mind has to sabotage that like Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, pump the brakes, they're St Nick. Take it easy, you jolly fucking bastard. You can't be that happy all the time. Let me give you something to think about. This really going to bring you back down to Earth, you know? Yeah, how yet's like a governor on your happiness, like a like a something holding it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like a limit, a limit, or just yeah, I like I just referred to it as self sabotage, like there's another personality within my psyche who just like, no, you don't deserve this, stop that, you know. No, you're not entitled to feel good and just with no worries in the world. That's not how you've been your entire life. Why would you feel that now? Like, no, you know, and I don't think is like a way to cure it or take care of it or any kind of like techniques to calm that down. I mean I generally just think a sex. Yeah, yeah, like when I fucking my mind starts racing out of control. Just say yeah, remember those good times when I was getting that boon? Yeah, you know, I always put on that creepy ass voice when I talk about anything like that too. It's like I draw out the words. Oh, yeah, remember, remember that sweet piece of a yes, yeah, but no, seriously, he'll calm me down was. I take it it's like the the most distracting thing I can think about, other than maybe singing. I wish I weren't asking my Ur weener is, you know, thinking about past exploits or whatever, just to kind of it's almost like when folks would say, oh well, you got a headache, ghost eb your toe, because then you're going to be my toe hurts...

...instead of you head hurts. You know. Yeah, so it's like a distraction technique or something, I suppose, which is the wrong thing to do. It makes me sound like a pervert. I was just yes and no. Well, if it works, if it keeps you from thinking of your own mortality or the mortality of the people you love, yeah, to remember a positive time you had. Like sex isn't like we yeah, we can like shame ourselves for enjoying the sex we had. And maybe, you know, maybe some of them aren't the most mortal sex exploits and you know, you know, maybe some of them were a little I don't know, I don't even know what I'm trying to say. I just mean like there's no point in getting ashamed of it. If it's make it, it's you know what it's yeah, I mean, you know, you could think of another happy thought. Yeah, I suppose freshly puppies. Yeah, your poppy. Oh No, but you think, then you'll start thinking it's going to done. Yeah, exactly. I was going to say like freshly baked cupcakes, cookies, you know, a pie on the sill, sort of thinking about food. It's going to be a food. Now I'm just totally change it to food. But for some reason that would that would make me think of something else, like I don't even know, like Oh, the fucking car synogens and that Goddamn fucking Pie. It's going to kill you twenty years from now, you know I mean. So, I don't know, it's just thinking about fucking getting the boom boom, getting down, getting jiggy with it for some reasons, like Oh yeah, that was pretty cool. Ah, now it is. You know what I noticed? What all your all your your distractions are more earthly things, like it's like food, sex, you know, I mean, like whatever it is. And I think the answer lies more in like you just gotta like accept that everything is temporary and like maybe that's a really freeing thing. Maybe if you just think of it a different way, it's like well, maybe none of the bad should have done in my life really is that big of a deal. Or maybe I shouldn't get so worked up over this because everything's temporary. WHO's going? You know, if you turn it around, it can be really liberating. I think. Trying to be sunshiny here for Chris. Totally. Yes, sunshiny for Christmas. I mean I could go to India. I go find out to bet and go find myself spiritually. Not a lot of ass out there, I guess. No, definitely not a lot of hair. What I bald dudes with long beards and Yak hair robes. Yeah, exactly. I was watching get back the Beatles documentary on Disney plus plugging all the TV. So I this is my problem to I watch way too much fucking television. I have been reading some good comic books recently, so that's something of note. But yeah, so, anyway, they you know when they went to India and they met with their guru and I was looking at him and I'm like, look at who the fuck with listen to that guy? Looks like he hasn't taken a bath and like fucking a month and a half he's wearing a fucking curtain. for Christ's sakes, like, what's going on here? But this spiritual enlightenment to be had. So maybe that's what I need to do. I gotta go go abroad. Maybe stop thinking about rods and go abroad. Yeah, you see, eat pretty love. I have of that whole time. That's the Julia Roberts vehicle. Correct. Yeah, but it was a book also, you know, get another book. Yeah, no, I haven't read the book or seeing the picture. I don't like Julia Roberts. The book didn't have Julia Roberts in it. Yeah, but I'm always going to think it Julia Roberts because I, you know, I knew the movie first and foremost, so she's always going to be associated with it. Yeah, I would read the book and be like as Julia, as Julian I was those fucking big chicklets. She's got her mouth saying that Shit right there. Yeah, there's checklists and teeth. That's what I'm trying to say. I figured good, those are teeth, by big teeth. Yeah. So well, hopefully I can turn this front upside now, because I am, you know, I'm happy about Christmas. I'm I'm feeling good about it overall. It's just, you know, that little nagging brain worm. It's how to get me, man. Yeah, it's hard. I hope you get through it. I hope you can find the joy in the season, because I usually don't like Christmas at all, but I'm actually not, I don't know, despite yet having the death in my my feeline family and I just kind of despite that. I don't know, I'm doing okay this year. There's like the first year I haven't really minded the change from fall to you know, wind or sour stuff on you. Yeah, I know that's a rough one for you. I I don't really get hit with the seasonal depression. You know you do. Yeah, so I don't think it's that as far as what I'm going through right now. Yeah, but I'm glad you're not. You know, don't have a heavy dose of it this year. Yeah, that's not too bad. I mean I've been I've been able to combat it. I've also had some new you know, I'm on some new medications. So it's opey little like, you know whatever, but I mean that's another thing. Maybe you should look into medication. I was going to say I've been doing some retail therapy. WHO. Yeah, bought a lot of shit this year. I got a fucking ordered all kinds of crap. Everybody's going to have a lot of presents underneath the tree, courtesy of...

Little Moir. Well, yes, generous, generous. Make you feel good, right, being generous? Yeah, well, charity starts to home. Hey, Hey, I'm that. Oh yeah, but no, I mean I like seeing people's I've always been a thoughtful gift giver. So it's not like I'm just buying. When I say Shit, it's not like I'm just grabbing where the fuck, like, you know, with someone like a black Friday deal. Oh look, slippers a fucking five dollars. I'm going to buy a slip. I think they're gonna be good for somebody. I gotta give me to somebody now. I don't do that. I think about the people I love, what they like, what they don't like, a little conversations we may have had in the past that could include a hint loss in the whispers of time. You know. I mean all these things. I take note of them. So when it comes that period of the year to in fact by gifts, I go, oh, yeah, I remember that, or I know this person really is into this and then I stuck up on that kind of Shit. So I like buying your stuff. I try. I got a couple blemishes on my record, but this is not many, and those were only because I was obsessed with acquiring an item. Hm. May I'll save that for another day. Okay, if we have another Christmas show, because that's actually a good story about being obsessive compulsive, I guess. Okay, but anyway, yeah, so I have bought a lot of stuff. And before you move on, because I know we got nates notes to do. It's been so long since we've had nates notes. Oh my God, that's been well, I know, man, I'm Jones and for some fucking nates notes here. But yeah, before we get into that, I was just talked about buying stuff. You know what you need to buy something and a name. I'm not talking to you in particular, I'm talking to everybody out there, like we mentioned earlier, the ear but people, the people in the shower, the people on the toilet, wherever the hell you listen to our show from. I am curious, though. I'd like to know where someone's main I guess work. Most people listen at work. Our where are you? Know? Where you got to go make money to buy stuff. Well, guess what, we have partners of the show that are great to spend your money on. Stop fucking stuffers, all that swanky good stuff, man. So if you've never heard the show before or heard me plug these partners, just keep in mind this is all stuff I have tried and used and like personally, because I'm not trying to just say, Oh yeah, I go buy that piece of Gabbage because they fucking send us something. None, no, it's good stuff. So definitely check these guys out. And first up we got northland vaporcom. All your vaping needs can be met there. E liquids. I love them because they don't have a chemical taste to him, which is a big deal, because I recently ran out of some juice. In a pinch, I need to go to another shop and I got some emboided. It just taste like the synthetic gross ass crap. That's a good description, right, gross ass crap to show you, to descript how nasty and terrible it really was. I missed my north loom like I cannot deviate, I cannot stray. Oh my God, Northland, because all their liquids are dike tone and artificial sweetener free, hence why they taste so good and are so smooth, not smoky like my voice. Alon Demi Moore, Alpine Him Flinty, Flinty as a sin filled thing. There Alpine hempcom for SBD. Everybody likes CBD. If you don't like CBD, I don't know what the Hell's the matter with you, because it helps with so much stuff it's ridiculous. Name an ailment. Spin the wheel of problems you could have in your life. Sleeplessness, headaches, depression, anxiety, whatever the heck the case. Maybe pop us some CBD. It might be just the thing that you need now. I personally use it to in fact help me sleep, but maybe I started going to start exploring more options to help me relax and maybe nip that inner voice I got in the butt here. I think I said Butt instead of Bud, but both were both work. Both work. But you can check out both sides. Northland Vapor, Alpine Hempcom and use code selling out nineteen to save nineteen percent off your entire or, which is good, which means more shillings in your pocket, which is always helpful during this season. Now Alpine is also kind of diversify. They get some other sites out there with Delta eight some other products underneath their umbrella or another notch in their bed post, and you can check those out of Wonkey Weedscom or death by Gummy Bearscom, which is actually a very long web address. Don't you think? Death by gummy bears almost size some memorable. It's memorable. I was going to say Kinky. You say memorable. Same diff but I'm not mutually exclusive. No, absolutely not. And then, last but not least, we got spunk Lube, Oh spunky spunk. Spunk an award winning lubricant use by professionals in the adult film industry.

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...years. Think of how many young people have grown into and back out of that scene, starting and ending bands of their own in the two decade interim since I even checked out a local punk show. My mind jumped to this curmudgeonly conclusion that I was going to go check out some young folks doing the same shit that hundreds of other bands had done previously. I agreed to go because Emma's a good friend and it's good to say yes to things and not isolate, and plus I do always enjoy a live show. So what the Hell? We pulled up to this nondescript brick factory or mill type building in an industrial part of Holy Oak Mass. The only sign that it was even the right place was the full parking lot, and then the muffled sound of drums and bass coming from inside. Once we exited the car. Going inside, we followed some other, much younger concert goers up a cartoonishly long and winding staircase and down a dirty old hallway that twisted and turned, passing several doors until we got to one that apparently would enter into the venue. It looked like it could have opened into a storage closet. It looked like all the other doors, but there were people passing in and out through it, so we followed suit and incredibly, it opened into this small but really impressive club with a bar and merch table wrapping around one corner and a stage across from where we entered. The soundboard and office were in aloft that actually hung over the heads of the crowd. It made such great use of the space and had such a cool atmosphere and feel to it. I was blown away that such a spot could be hidden in such a boring, mundane industrial building, and I like the third or fourth floor to boot. I forget exactly the one weird thing was the age gap between me and the rest of the crowd. I don't really know if anyone was staring at me because of my age, because I also get stairs for my ridiculous height, but I was acutely aware of it. It may have been my social anxiety flaring up, but I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm even older than the guys running the place. So we had arrived a little late and only managed to catch the last two acts that night. I could get really detailed in reviewing them, but the store is getting kind of long, so I'll sum it up by saying this. By the second song I watched that night, I felt like such a moron for prejudging these bands before even checking them out. Sure, there were elements of music I used to listen to as a kid. Sure there were a few riffs or breakdowns that I've heard before, but all musicians take their influence and try to do their own thing with elements from them. David Bowie himself had this awesome quote where he said he takes the sawdust and scraps from other artists and take scotch tape and a little love and makes something new from all of it. I felt like a Dufus, but I was also super happy to be proven wrong in my pessimism. I even talked to the singer of the headlining band afterward and gushed to him about how I used to play shows back in the S and I haven't even been to a show in years. But after seeing you guys tonight and seeing the way the crowd responded to you, I feel like the scene is secure. You young people are holding it down. Man, it was a great show. The Front Man, who looked to me like he was maybe twenty years old, tops shook my hand and said thanks for the kind words. Man, I don't know if I conveyed my feelings accurately, but I really felt some weird swell of emotions. There was the nostalgia factor of going back to an important part of my youth, the excitement of seeing a couple really good bands, and I don't even know if I mentioned this yet, but I had eaten a couple grams of psychedelic mushrooms earlier that night, so it was all even more profound. For All I know, I freaked out the kid by being kind of sappy and weird, but you know what, it's what I felt at the moment and I'm glad I shared it with him. I had forgotten how visceral a small, intimate hardcore show can be. There's an energy there that you don't find at any other type of show. Even a death metal show is nothing like it. Of course, the crowds are often more violent and even if you're not participating in that personally, you have to kind of be on guard. But that's not all of it. Maybe it's something about the desperation and authenticity of these small town bands combined with the idealism of its youthful members, who haven't had their morality or principles compromised by the world's harsh realities yet. I know I'm sounding curmudgingly and jaded again. Whatever it is, I'm glad I went. I'm glad I didn't succumb to my lazy, reclusive...

...tendencies. It was a great experience and it really did rekindle something inside me. I'm really grateful to Emma for inviting me and to the band's wisdom and war and Dracula for putting on a couple of powerful sets that night. Hopefully Dracula's singer didn't get too weirded out by me going up to him afterwards. I hope he was like cool, that og just gave me a compliment. But for all I know he rolled his eyes as I walked away and muttered okay, boomer. I am willing to guarantee he said this, old motherfucker. Oh yeah, definitely said that. I mean as cool, I mean whatever, like. You know, a compliment is always good to receive, but he's probably like yeah, he's not a hot chick. What's going on with I mean because you put yourself in his shoes. If you were in your s and someone came up the after a show and it's like a forty year old dude, you like, Oh, well, he probably wants to have his way with me, put me in a garbage bag and throw me in the woods. Yeah, you see how biggest pupils were. They kind of crazy. Guy Was insane. You know, I know it was fun, man, it was good. Your peace reminds me of like just being young in jamming out. You mentioned the band that we were in amongst your other your respectable resume of acts. But it's a good feeling thinking about those times and just jamming out and be a wild and crazy and all the fun we had. And I am going to call it back again because I'm terrible like that. If you permit me to do so is. I brought up that Beatles documentary that everybody's watching. The I also indeed watched and there are moments we you know, I mean you're taken a back you like, well, I was the fucking Beatles. They're like the biggest band of all time, but they would just having these fucking jam sesh sessions that were fucking terrible, like they were just goofing off, being fucking nuts just to kind of like let loose and maybe warm up a little bit, I guess. But I could see myself participating in that or like the way that we used to do things, to like the process of writing and hammering things out and getting together and just letting loose. It didn't matter if you're the most successful group in the world or of all time or if you're in a garage in fucking Worcester Massachusetts. You know. I mean a lot of the process is just the same fucking thing and a lot of the emotions that you go through, the sensations, the feelings all that, are all the same. So you could live in a fucking mansion and have a fucking chauffeur or you could fucking write a huffy with no seat. Yeah, you can still have the same experience. It's true, universal, it really is, you know. So that's what you kind of made me think about as I was listening to you and your adventures of going to this little hole in the wall to see the kids play. It was. It was fucking great, man, like we, I don't know, as older people, we tend always think like man, it was better when I was a kidder this was like. That was when it was fel you know, or that was this. And hardcore is already like one of those scenes where it's kind of like people are kind of Douchey and it's like, you know, I'll admit it, like where you're like, oh, that person supposed or that person's you know, and so like, if anything, going there, having had the the youth I had, part of me didn't care that I was the old guy because I was like you know what I'm and I I came from it, like nobody can question my fucking you know what I mean, like yeah, my shit, like I I don't know, I mean, not that I really thought of it, but I'm socially Awk, awkward, anxious and yeah, I was on some mushrooms. So it was like all like this whole weird like yeah, everyone's so young, dude, like I don't know, it was it was bizarre, I dude. I would see people and I'd be like I knew that guy. I knew that same person, but it was a different guy when I was a kid. But it's like they're doing the same thing, they're acting the same way. You know, this person's not in a band and he doesn't work here, but he's like best friends with all the guys, so it's hanging out. You know, we think I was that guy at one bright or whatever. You know, I think it's almost a shame that they don't know your back story or your origins because, you know, we just kind of alluded to the fact that you just might be that creepy guy who paid the compliment. But you know, back when we were active in the scene, you of course more so than me. I was just a blip. But you know, you there's a lot of respect for you and your talents and what you could do and and some of the crazy things that you would done on stage and everything else. And I don't know, maybe it's even worse if they did know. I don't know, but...

I mean, you know, what I mean, like it's it's one of those things where it's like, I don't know, you get because you always are, at least in my case. I always don't want to tell people stories about the past, like if I just met them or if they're younger. Yeah, because I do think they'll dismiss it. Does go yeah, whatever, whatever, you know. Every all you fucking old sense of bitches always have a story to tell. I've heard them all, whatever, but you almost want to get that respect or kind of get on that that level where they look at you go, okay, maybe I should listen to this guy, because he has seen shit. He knows Shit, you know what I mean? Does that make any sense or no, it does. Know it does. I think at the moment I just wanted to say how his how his performance made me feel, because I felt like I, as an artist, would like to hear somebody say that wow, dude, that was really cool, and I just I think maybe it was that part of me that wanted to like that. Why would I bring up, Oh, I used to play shows back in the S in this the like? NLESS, I did want him to know. You know, part probably that was like ego or whatever. But I just was like, you know, as an old school kind of, you know, Hardcorek and like I really dug what you did and and I told him, like, as cheesy as it sounds, yeah, you're you guys are holding it down, like the scene is alive and well, like I'm I can rest easy as worch man. Yeah, you know, it's all probably for not because you were enjoying mushrooms. So you thought you were giving him a compliment, but you really were just saying something along the lines of there are toads in my shoes. Maybe. Yeah, you know. so He's like whatever, Guy, that made no sense. Audios Amigo. I know, smoke a fucking big fat spliff by the van. It's are all hardcore. They're all straight edge kids, that they shows. I was like afraid to admit that I was fucked up. Yeah, yeah, it's not cool. Man, got him straight edge, I guy. That's still a thing, which is I don't know. There were kids smoking cigarettes outside. So yeah, all straight it. Yeah, they should be vaping. With the hell are they do when smoking dying bastards? It's called northern vapors. They should, but I mean, when I think of the whole straight edge scene from when we were young and how we would mock them, make fun of them, treated them with zero respect or whatsoever. And now, in hindsight, I go well, maybe they had something going on. I doubt they fucked up their lives half as bad as we did due to sumstances, but there's still that little inkling, that little sliver inside music. Yeah, fuck that man, fuck that straighted she fucking Dork. fucking tribalism. Is Tribalism? You Know Tribalisms, Dad, either way, any like you're bad and I'm good just because of this. It's like, yeah, I don't know Dan say that, but I fall prey to it too. Yeah, it's lethal. That's what that is. I'm fucking spitting poison over here. That's my problem. Just, Mr Negative, that's me. I'm going to get a fucking business car. That says it. Dave, Mr Negative Schultz, you guys something good to say. I'm going to say? I'm going to tear it apart, tear it fucking shrints. I'm an asshole. That's maybe you need to eat some mushrooms. No, held last fucking thing on earth. I mean, someone probably say, Oh, you need a fucking I don't know, use leeches for medicinal purposes? I'd be like absolutely before I'd say yes to hallucinating again. That that part of my that chapter, is fucking sealed shut, my friend. Yeah, long on, Y's. That's for you. You can, you can keep the, as we said, the proverbial torch going with that. I'm I'm good about thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So anywhere. This is the the rough part right now. This is the tough thing that I always have to do, is bringing this show to a close. Hit the brakes, you know. Yeah, hit the brakes. has been a while since we get to catch up and you know, I'm sure people are enjoying our witty banter, or lack thereof. They're not hand, but I mean, we got we get a lives to live. You got mushrooms to eat and I got fucking TV shows to watch and some self loathing and think you know things to do. So we do actually have to hit the road. But UH yeah, I really hope we'll get back together in a couple weeks and I'd like to do something. Maybe pro Christmas, ee, ok, exiles do Auntie. I'll do anti Christmas or hollydayttle debate. Well, no, no, I don't know. I'm just kidding. It's funny you bring that up, because my wife, she's never been a podcast listener and then she got into this true crime stuff lately. Yeah, I've always mocked true crime like I have the straight edgers of my youth, where it's like, okay, like you said, tribalism, I guess, but I'm like, you know, this whole genre, people go gag out over it.

Everybody's fucking stop and what they do to start a true crime podcast, true crime, because sometimes you wonder about the authenticity behind it, just because, oh well, it's hip, it's cool, everybody's doing it. Let me, let me start doing it too. There was a TV show called only murders in the building, which was actually very good, on Hulu or recommention. Here we go, look at me, I'm on brand. But it's got Steve Martin and Martin Short and let a matten's Martin, and what's Your Martin? LAWREN's in it. There's a girl that she was a young singer and I can't remember her name, which makes me sound like some kind of that's all right, yeah, like I don't respect women. I can't remember. They're not fucking respect young art this. She's a producer on the damn show. So Selma, Selena. Anyway, I stink. Selena Gomess, thank you. Selena Gomez is on it and she's wonderful, she's delightful, but they start a true crime podcast anyway. All right, so the point of my story is I'm listening to it, she's listening to it, and it's like the narrative, you know, they telling the story. There added some little sound effects to whatever, because it's based on something that really happened and I was fucking bored to tears. Man. I like my shows the way that we do ours. Conversation, a little back and forth, unscripted, just fucking let it fly. You know. I want that human connection. I don't want a news story. I could read that. I could fucking yeah, watch fucking date line or something. I sit in front of the fucking TV at the TV's fall that shit too. Why do I want to be listening to someone read me a story when I want to hear a human beings connect one on one or two on three or five times. It doesn't matter to some people. Talk to you getting real, you pick seven strangers to live in a house. And but you get my drift here, you know. So, yeah, I got you, man, all right, I agree. Yeah, okay, good, good, I'm glad. So I think I mentioned it earlier, but if you want to reach our show, it's easy. socials at selling out show. NATES get the facebook at selling out show one foam finger. Have you been on that facebook in a while? It's been a little while. It's met on hiatus from life. It's Meta. They change their name, right, that's what they called them, Meta or something. facebook. Yeah, their whole branding. Maybe we should rebrand. What do you think? All right, we didn't need an Avatar in the new Meta landscape. Yeah, yeah, the ARSHA. There we go. But I mean, we just did our name. How about we just have no name? Can we do that? Just change the selling out show to like as nothing, or can we do a symbol like prince perhaps? Yeah, yeah, maybe. I don't know how they'd find it, but anyway, that's something we can explore later. I do want to thank each and every one of you for taking the time to listen to our humble little program virtual hugs for all of you. Hopefully we will be back soon because I like this a Lott. So I am Dave and that over there is nate and this has been the selling out show he's.

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