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Selling Out Show

Episode 80 · 4 months ago

Pucker Up Bruce Vilanche

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Powder my plums and twist my twig...we got a jam packed show for ya this time out! Billy Ocean vs Michael McDonald, being a sissy on the slopes, tik tok dogs, off to Mexico, grown men buying comicbooks, movie genre generational gap, big brands out there burning money PLUS: losing the lust for writing lyrics

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What it does is beaches into your brain chemically and no, cat your happiest memory chemically and then blocks on that emotion and releases it chemically, and then it keeps your happy, happy. Hello, hello, hello, and thank you for tuning into the selling out show will rescrew up life at our leisure for your listening pleasure. I am one of your hosts, David the Diamond Dazzler, dingling Schultz, and over here by my side is my partner in crime, my good friend indeed, Nathan Gore Zinski. Nate, I normally reserve this part of the program to ask how you were doing, but before I inquire about your wellbeing, I have a pressing question to ask you, my friend, to tell. Okay, do ask, do I yes, do ask in you know. Here's the thing. I want you to think about the answer you're about to give a and should it take fifteen minutes, an hour, I don't care. Okay, okay, I know it's not really good for the audience to have that much dead air. MMM, but I mean the fate of our friendship hangs in the balance on how you respond to this. Oh Man, I'm glad I'm I'm being recorded for this. Yeah, there's two camps of people in the world and you're going to fall into one of them. Okay, so let's say hypothetical situation here. You can only listen to one of these artists for the rest of time. Who would you choose? Would it be Billy Ocean or Michael McDonald? Oh, Michael McDonald, Al Whoa Heyo. Yeah, I told you to take some time. You freaking your Russian the stage. I didn't need it. I mean I I'm okay with with Billy Ocean. A little dancing on the ceiling, yeah, or you know, she laughed at you. Wow, look at I get. I get my af road s artists almost something. God, it's not a racist thing, it's a haircut. Sure, yeah, no, get out of my dreams, get into my car. That's billy ocean, right, said Le Laugh has new meaning to me. Okayes that do anything for you? I mean, it's all right, but I think suddenly your love. Yeah, nothing, it's nice. I'M NOT gonna I'M NOT gonna deny it, but but I will say Michael McDonald started his career in the Doobie brothers. So if you know, he's got a wider panorama of musical styles. He got a little easy listening and or RNB prog something later on, like what a fool leaves all that stuff? Yea, all beer. Yeah, I'm will be there. Yeah, he gets a lot of shit from some people, but like there was that whole scene in forty year old virgin. I believe it was worse. He says, if I hear Yami be there one more time, I'm a yama blow my brains out or whatever is it? That's good. You can't remember Billy Oceans tracks, but you definitely can quote a movie. Yeah, this this much is true. What about a like Caribbean Queen? There's nothing. Yeah, I know that's a great song too. Just nothing. They is no matter what is Michael McDonald, that question was yeah, for the rest of my life. Yeah, if I had to listen to one of them and I'm I guess I could have answered it the other way, because I could have spent the rest of my life discovering all the music I don't know from Billy Ocean. So that I girl, but I just know that I already have a little head start in Michael McDonald. I can do that. Yeah, one of my biggest regrets in life was. I had tickets to go see Michael McDonald and I didn't go because it is being obligated to do anything. It's just too much for me to handle, even if it is to see, you know, Michael McDonald, the man himself, perform live on stage at a casino. MMM, when was this? Like, how old were you at the Oh Geez. Well, no, I was into his music. If I wasn't like a teenager, I was probably late S, really thirty or just turning thirty. So like fourteen, fifteen years ago. You said I was already into his music, so obviously I wasn't a teenager. Are you...

...saying something about the age demographic? Yeah, okay, Yep, it's fans. Well, I mean, you know you got to you got to keep you credyo. Sure got to keep it legit. Imagine if you're fucking groove into your Nin you nine inch nails. I'm like, Whoa, slowdown, man, it's tempor some sweet freedom up in this motherfucking pot day. I probably wouldn't be frowned upon by many of our friends at that age. You know, just wasn't. I didn't have any Michael McDonald discs. MMM, dish in my you know, my collection at that time. But with age you appreciate things more. And Yeah, and you know, there's like sometimes as gateway drugs. Like I remember I had like a bread's greatest hits on cassette and no one like fucking set me on fire for owning it. I'm like, well, maybe it's okay if I say I like haulin notes, maybe it's okay if I say I can jam out to Michael McDonald when I'm, you know, just chilling out by myself. But you know, ill, lately I've been on a big billy ocean kick. Okay, so it's been getting me going. Yeah, that's where this kind of came from, I see, because the impetus of this question sure got you and I kind of had a sense you'd answer Michael McDonald because you know I'd lean that way to. Yeah, I mean always did. Yeah, yeah, you know, my new kicks and jams and everything going on with Mr Bill a MMM, doesn't change my love for Mr Mac Mac. I think that Michael McDonald may be the gateway drug for Billy Ocean. That's what happened. I just need to graduate to Billy Ocean. HMM. Is that what I'm learning right now is that I need to kind of move on. It's time for me to move on to Billy Ocean. What you get your PhD in Oceanography? You just was like what, you went for years at Mike McDonald? You? Yeah, by now you're after graduate program is with Billy Ocean. Yeah, wouldn't that be something? Imagine this. There's somebody out there who is legitimately an expert on both artists and kind of could probably school you and run a course a client. Bet they're out there, man. Oh yeah, every reason, expert on everything. I bet there's a whole youtube channel based just on that, you know, comparing those two. And there's some guy making a stupid face for the thumbnail video. Yeah, whole all pondering face. You confused face? Yeah, confused. Oh, I made a dude here in my parents quick play hip the like button. Ring that Bell, my Michael McDonald Reaction Video. Oh yeah, Michael McDonald Reaction Video. Yeah, Oh, I can't wait to fucking Oh yeah, waste my day watch in that. Oh Yeah, Oh, no, are the people that make the videos where it's like an Asian person listens to Phil Collins for the first time. That's legit. Well, I don't know about that specifically, but it's a sithing like that, like Irish people try American breakfast foods or you know, and a Chinese person tries McDonald's, or this person listens to this for the first time. I'd see. Yeah, it's a bunch of that shit. Oh, P Gardner's islander, transsexual diabetic listens to weird Al Hmm. Right, dude, we'll get some views. There you go, there you get all the fucking target audience. Yeah, I know, I'm sorry. I feel like I'm talking all over you. You're saying something and here I am just like vomiting words all over your words. See, I just did to you. Ah, don't tit for tat. Well, my x ore vomit me. Yes, but you know, let's kind of get into life, living life, for eating air, oxygen, absorbing sunlight, photosynthesis and while the other keystone blocks that make up, you know, life on the planet earth. And you've been enjoying all of these things, photosynthesis specifically, yes, in various locals, and we've been away, because you've been away. This is all your fault. So for anybody out there is I hey, Darnet where has this selling out show been? Well, we have one culprit to blame, and his name is Nathan Gore Zinski. So, nate, please explain yourself and at least have some good reasoning as to why you've deprived all these fine folks the vibrations in their ear drums of your voice. Okay, because there's certainly never been another episode without me, where you were able to somehow make it work without me. WHOA, but now there's a little then I'm sorry, in my well I voice there. But no,...

I I totally am to blame for this because I took two trips in a row, kind of I don't know. Is that sound like back to? Sound like boasting? I don't. You're loaded to you're rich. You just fucking live in the life of Riley. I'm I'm very fortunate, I'll be honest. After a lifetime of taking the hard road through everything and I just having Shitty luck, I all of a sudden am living life where. Yeah, I went to Colorado first, so I'll go just quickly go into that. Might I go every year. Our listeners may know this by now if they've been listening long enough, I try to take a trip to visit. I have a brother that lives in Colorado and I I'm fortunate enough to get to visit him once a year to ski. He lives on Vale, so it's like this World Class Mountain. It's it's wonderful and I usually go at the end of the ski season, like April specifically, and so I'm able to enjoy the skiing but still get the Sun and I can ski in a t shirt usually, and it's it's Super Fun and it's great to see my brother every or so. So I went on my trip to go see him, but with the stipulation that this time I was going to try to learn snowboarding at forty two years old. I'm forty three now. My birthday just passed. That's a whole other thing, but but at this advanced age I'm trying to learn a skill that requires that you just fall going full speed down a mountain constantly, like there's no way to learn snowboarding without just knowing you're going to fall and probably injure yourself repeatedly like that. The first couple days of learning snowboarding are literally just falling on your ass, falling on your ass, hopefully not falling on your face too hard, but you know, it's just that's just kind of the reality of it. Sounds Fun, I know, but I will say I was able to kind of break through that awkward beginning stage and I did get to to learn how to do it. I see why people go through the stress of falling and hurting yourselves repeatedly. Like it is worth it. Once you learn how to do it, it's so much fun. And I I've been a ski or my whole life and that's fun enough. And I used to always say why would I learned to snowboard? My brother would always try to get me to learn to snowboard when I'm out there and I'd say, I'm only out here for a couple weeks a year. Why would I spend some of that limited time just falling on my ass when I only have those few days to ski at in Veil like once a year? So I don't know. But this year I finally committed to doing it and man, get this, the first day I went out to the mountain, we haven't even gotten on the Gondol let to go up the mountain yet and I decide, well, I should probably like strap on the snowboard and see what it's like to kind of push yourself around on it and balance on on this one board as opposed to too skis, my old life like. And before even got on the Gondo, let it go up the mountain, I slid down this mountain and fell into a mount one. I slid down this tiny little incline. Oh, it's like nothing. It was nothing. It was basically like a little a little bump, like I just wanted to see what it was like before I went on the top of the mountain and I had I slid into this pile of skis, like where people had kind of stacked their skis and fell and landed like put my hand out to catch me as I fell and dude, I like sprained my thumb and honest to God, that was the worst injury I had the whole time I was out there. It was basically like like my thumb is still I don't know if you can see, Dave, I'm still wearing a thumb brace. I that was a professional bowler. Yeah, man, it's it's fashionable, but I will say that was the worst it got. I mean I was falling in and it hurt every time I was falling. Learning but it's even worse when, if you're falling, your instinct is to put your hands out. Yeah, try to catch you at yourself. Once you hurt your thumb, it's like every time you put your hands out, it's reinjuring that that injury. So it made learning and falling constantly that much worse until my brother basically tipped me off. Dude, when you fall, just keep your hands in fists like so when you fall, you're landing on your fists, and I started doing that and it kind of made all the difference. So two things here. Yeah, one, when you and not to make light of your injury. Oh it's fine, okay, but when you when you...

...first ran into other people skis, it had been great if a bunch of bikers ran out of nowhere, came at you know, like out of nowhere, like movies when someone knocks over the row motorcycles. Yeah, PB airman, said, it's like a bunch of fucking like hell's angels or something, and like our skis, it was just like that, except it was a bunch of rich, snobby uge bag that's what I'm saying. would be even funnier because you'd expect like the fucking turnal neck crowd. Oh my God, he knocked over my stifs. But even be even better of like dudes were like wearing like lambskin leather fucking vests, big beat beards. That reminds me. Sorry, I pause when I was saying that, because it was an episode of Trapper John Where there's like an anthrax outbreak and no one could figure out what the fuck was going on. But it's because these bikers were wearing lambskin vests. WHOA. Yeah, I know. So there's there's a throwback, and then too. How much did you have to fucking complain about your injury when you had your injury? That your brother was just like enough, dude, fucking ball up your hands, be a man and go out there and learn how to do this shit. Well, my brother is a saint dude. My brother's the type of person who, he's always been super adventurous and does death defying things and Bungee jumps and snowboards and skyduves and all that stuff, but he wants to share it with other people. He enjoys when he can teach someone else to do something and they start getting it. So he's actually kind of a born teacher. He's not a teacher by trade, but he probably should get into it, because he is. He's super patient and he knows, like when my brother takes me through, say, like some trees, when I am skiing, like he's not going to take me through something. He knows what my abilities are and he's not going to take me to something that's too much like to deft defying for my abilities, but at the same time he's going to push me. So so he was that way with the snowboarding and I'm sure he got tired of hearing me fall and complain. And there was honestly one point, like day two I think it was, where I just kept falling and I almost like couldn't get it and I was just like, I don't understand this. It's so counterintuitive to skiing, like you're standing a completely different way, the muscles you use are completely different and just all the physics are completely different than skiing. And I've skied for thirty five years or whatever. So I'm UN trying to unlearn all this shit that I've learned and I dude, I was almost at one point in tears as a forty two year old man. I was like I can't get this. I was just so frustrated with myself, like I was just I was in pain, like all of it, and meanwhile I'm watching like three year old kids fly by me hit and jumps and so I so that made it worse. I was like, I can't fucking get this. Look at his loll down hands. Yeah, why right, but dude, doubts. I'll say this. My brother prepared for he's like, look, I've got he goes, I wish I had this shit when I learned. Yeah, he had wrist guards, so I didn't break my wrists, because that's a real thing. When you put your hands out like that, it's really easy to snap your wrists like and he had hit. Oh Shit, my serious talking me. Sorry, everybody. Gosh, where she come from? I don't know. I didn't even know she was here. Hey, hey, now, but yeah, he had these wrist guards that he let me where he he has. He had bought these pads that you like put on like shorts. They like butt pads, so you because you fall on your ass all the time, your tailbones, you know, it's covers your tailbone and everything snee pad things like I was. I was suited it up. I looked like some kind of athletes. I kind of I don't even know. I looked like a soldier you were. Yeah, like a terminator, cosplayer, something pretty much man. Yeah, but the you know, not to go off on this forever, but I did learn and it was so much fun once I learned and I can't wait to do it again. But you know, it was it was something that I never thought I'd really learned and I wish I had learned when I was in my s, because it's a lot different falling and doing all these strenuous things in your s. The A recovery time afterwards. It's just you just don't bounce back like you used to. You know, my my brother learned this shit in his S. Yeah, he was able to fall all day and then get up and go again the next day. Like me, I would, I know I'd need a day to recover here and there while I was out there. But, like you said, he's a good teacher, you know. I mean he's patient with you. He's like, listen, you gotta snuggle with Rip Taylor before you fucking Fuck Bruce Valanche. You know, what I mean. That's what they as the saying goes. That's what they is. Right on the fucking sign...

...when you hit the slopes, right. That's what they tell you to do it. Your brother knows it. He probably has it fucking written down some way too. You's got a tattoo. Tattoo, yeah, yeah, right where you can see. It's in reverse. He looks at it in the mirror like a Mento. Yeah, you go. But well, you know, I'm glad you came out the other side with only that weird, you know, thumb thing. I'm a Jiggi you got going on. Yep, it was pretty nice. Yeah, it was pretty, pretty, pretty fortunate. As I said, now next year you're ready to rock and roll. You're good to go. You're now, you know, hip with it and can show those three year olds how to shred. Maybe. I mean I I'm sure I'll lose a little something in the next year just because I, you know, if inactivity. But yes, I have the physics down. I can kind of get back on the Horse, so to speak, grab an ironing board, just fucking go hit the back yard. Yeah, man, but get this. So the as wonderful as these trips that I took were after falling and banging myself up and my legs were tired from skiing and snowboarding for two and a half weeks. Then it was time to get on the plane to come back and as soon as I got back to town, my girlfriend and I and her son were going on a trip to Myrtle beach, South Carolina. But we were driving, which you know we've done several times. We go to Myrtle beach usually around once a year. The pandemic screwp things up whatever, but we that the issue wasn't the long trip to Myrtle beach. It was the long drive to Myrtle beach after beating my body up for two weeks and then having to sit in a car, car, oh, yeah, yeah, so it was. It was a little rough, but but being down there was great. We there was the first time we ever took our dogs. We have our DOVERMAN and a Pug, and it was they they travel pretty well man like we are. Life is like taking these dogs to dog shows and we drive to different states and do it and and so, yeah, we travel with dogs all the time, which sounds like it could be a nightmare, but these dogs are both really good at traveling. They they like being in their crates, so they're like real easy to travel with and they got a lot of personality and they're like a good conversation starter. You see people, people want to come up and you know, they usually compliment our dogs because they are these, you know, they are beautiful purebred dogs. You want to have conversation with strangers. Oh, you know, I hate that. Trying to branch out a little, Dave. Yeah, good luck with all that, I don't know. But the point is it was a great time. I'm I'm super rested and feel great now. And then as soon as I got back I had my my birthday, my forty three birthday. So now I'm now I'm officially forty three. That's like, you know, we all wait for that age. That's the you know, and you can finally buy cigarettes and porn. Whoo yeah, man. So, no, you're officially creepy now when you when you do things, that's you probably would have been like, Oh, we know, twenty one, I can buy porn. You buy porn at forty three. Every he's like, look at that fucking Weirdo. Go on the Internet, Victor, what are you doing? Yeah, I'm the only one still buying porn in the in the stores, because everyone else knows going down to the smoke shop, looking up there and they're dusty rack. Yeah, I want that one in the bag, that polly bag. fucking I even know magazines weaving out anymore. But you know, back in the day be like blacktail, like swank, swanking me some swank. Yeah, how much is that? Six hundred and ninety nine worth every fucking red penny, baby. Yeah, Oh yeah, happy birthday. Thanks for what it's worth. I mean, I texted you. That's what you get. Some people don't even get that from me. Okay, so I shouldn't. We shouldn't expect more from people. Man, and he know he's a gift. Everything is, in fact the gift. And you know, unlike the cramps in your legs, which occurred probably during your travels to Myrtle beach, yea, and in my back and your and your back, which I'm dreading because I last episode. If anybody wants to hear about vacations, in our plans, everything we talked quite in depth. So go check out our archives on the selling out show page and you can hear all of our episodes, but last one specifically about vacations. But I normally do my trip to Galveston, but this year I booked the Motel Room, not the hotel room, the model room, and for like three nights. He was like nine hundred dollars and I'm like, Oh man, it's a week my birthday, in the middle of June. I'm like, God, peak season, I guess whatever. They just fucking they get you, man, they get you. So my wife,...

...who is from Mexico, said, well, why don't we consider Mexico? Let's go. I's been a few years since we've been to Mexico. Let's do that. And so we're looking up hotel rooms. It's some nice hotels and it was like a whole week for like a few hundred bucks. So I'm like a canceled Galveston and audios, motherfuckers. I'm going down to MEHICO. But that being said, the first thing that came into my mind was of the drive. Oh my God, I'm going to be an agony driving them because where I live it's going to be like a eleven hour drive with stops, you know what I mean? Yeah, so we the moment you talked about Oh yeah, I was sore from snowboarding and they had hopping the fucking card. You hit me like in my in, my fucking in feels. Yeah, right there. You our trip was double tapped me right in the nuts sixteen hours. So I don't want to. You know, I'm not trying to win up you, but but you did. It sucks. I do like you already want up me. I've been uped. Yeah, I've been let down, I've been up so, yeah, you know, Pooh, but you know, at least you had your dogs as companions. You're freaking dogs, I was. Let me kind of show how the sausage is made, if you don't mind where, you know, pull back the curtain to the great and wonderful laws pre show. Today we're talking about your social media. MMM, because I don't do the book, I don't do the facebook. This is well talked about. I won't go too far into that anymore. But my wife was like, Hey, look at this picture in nate and said picture you and your dogs, and they go wow, like whatever's nat and his dogs, you know what I mean. And you told me that you actually get likes on this stuff. People like it, and I was a little flabbergasted, thinking, yeah, you know whatever, your cousin likes it, you know, you're fucking whatever. Your Co worker might like something, but you know people seem to like these dogs. Man. And you were saying, and I'm lea it now on on the show so everybody can hear it, that you were saying you might even start a new platform. MMM. And now I was wondering if you could elaborate a little bit too. Everybody here. Well, I don't know if I don't know how serious this is, but okay, that's fine. But but I've contemplated starting a ticktock with my dogs, because I do nothing but take pictures of my dogs, especially my instagram. My facebook is one thing, I post a bunch of pictures, but my instagram, if you go on it, I really have I would say it's about ninety five percent pictures of my dogs, and I don't know if that's accurate, but it's a lot of pictures of dogs. And Yeah, and I will get likes and everything, like like large numbers of legs, but usually they are my friend groups of people, I follow whatever. But once in a while, especially if it's a little short video, I take and put it on instagram. I've got one of these videos of both my dogs playing in the snow, and I mean it's not a ton of likes, but I've got a few dozen likes from people that I have no idea who they are. I don't know how this thing is getting promote. I don't know how instagram works. That hashtagging, you're not like, I haven't know. Wow, look at that. Yeah, I don't know how it happened, but all of a sudden all these people are liking it, and so I thought people may appreciate a tick Tock Channel based on my dogs. I don't know if I if I make one, I'll definitely let all our listeners know. So hopefully I get some get some views. Yeah, why not? I mean viral. Yeah, Duho, yeah, do that. I heard that's the hip, cool trendy thing to do, because likes a currency. Sure, who needs money when you got legs, right, when you get people fucking clicking something that you created it or, like, in my case, regurgitate, because I recently created an instagram just to show pictures of my comic books. Nice and this not. Is Funny to me when people like stuff like this, because it's not something I made is not something I'm contributing to mankind or society at large other than showing a I own this. Look, look at me. I bought this whenever and people click like and I'm like, Hey, look at that. They like the fact that I spend money on this thing. Wow. Yeah, but hey, that that account is called a back issue. Buddha, Buddha, like Buddh a, yes, like a little fat man, Buddha. Yep, because I'm a little fat man. I honestly didn't even know you had done that. I'm yeah, because I'm not a hype man. I don't fucking go, you know, toot my own horn to often. So yeah, so if you just want to see covers of comic books and stuff, I buy action figures and all comic book related stuff. There you go, one stop shop. I make me an influencer. How about that school? That's cool, man. I have an old friend that...

...you know from back in the day when we were younger. We have this friend named Matt met Marcel. I'll just put him out there. He used to hang out with at the Espresso Bar, which is an old club that we used to play out and hang out at when we were younger Dave. But this Guy Matt now works on Guitars, like upgrading people's guitars, putting new hardware on him, changing their pickups, tuning them up, doing all this stuff, and he does it for a little private business and he'll just put up pictures of the guitars he's working on like regularly. They're not even his guitars. He's just like, look at this new less Paul I'm working on, blah, blah, blah, and that's like he but dude, he gets tons alikes and I love looking at that stuff. So comic books would be a similar thing. I am at. Yeah, I will. Like it's like my brother right. My brothers got this mass whole chef thing going on on instagram where he does barbecue and there's a whole community surrounding I get a barbecue community. Wonderful, because you know what they're doing is they're making something right, like Hey, look at me cook this. Maybe I'll share how I made this or what I like to do or the rubs I use, marinades, whatever. Right, so it's like a cooking club. I'm sure if anybody in the community heard me called a cooking club, they probably want to knock all my teeth up. But Hey, you know, to the outside world it's, you know, one of those things and people, a lot of people, like his stuff. And when you that's might call the regurgitation earlier. Okay, I'm probably not explain myself very well, but when you create something or you're working on something or making something or anything, is so different than I just took a picture of something. You know what I mean? I definitely hear that it's it's there's a whole other side of marketing now where it's like you don't even have to we did an episode on this to called Y gurgitation. I believe we've done an episode on everything happen. I know you could make a podcast just reacting to our podcasts. You could regurgitate our stuff and then do a do a reaction podcast to it, a reaction Youtube video, but that probably wouldn't be spervery popular. But yeah, prob or not, because the selling out show because of my allergic reaction to social media at large and I don't treat it with much reverence. I don't really respect it. So, like there's a lot of shows out there who will really continuously hype their stuff me. I'm pretty much here. It is. You know, I'm not fishing for likes, I'm not looking for to really talk about it to be rude or anything. But yeah, we made this for you. Enjoy it or not. That's your decision. This is life. But yeah, it's another interesting side note, because I like looking at comic books, right, you like looking at the gearhead stuff with the guitars and sure, everything instruments. I was on twitter and has saw this guy posting some cool comics and he's he's actually not just doing covers. He's like kind of giving you some inside got some the comics and what have you, and I so I started following him. He followed me back and as looking at his profile, like Hey, this guy or is not. Was Better Stop Myself. There the drummer for the band the Toady's. Oh No shit, and I'm like I like the Toady's back then or back when. Yeah, like that's so weird that now I'm following the drummer of the Toady's. Unfortunately, I'm not much of a tody's fan. I didn't know his name, I didn't realize what he did for a living until I follow him for purely for, you know, enjoying the comic book discourse coming. So, yeah, it's a small world, isn't it? So now I should probably go listen to some more toady's music. Well, I tell you, I saw the toady's open for the butthole surfers, which you have a bottle surface tattoo. I do. Don't tell it, don't tell everybody. That's a sake, right, lady. Well, it's just an interesting coincidence. Yeah, I saw the Toady's a few times actually. Yeah, they were. They were great back in there. I haven't heard them in a while. I only really know one or two albums, but they are good. If you go check out their album rubber neck. Everyone check out the tody's s album, rubber neck. I'm not sure the exact year, but it's pretty good. I don't know why I'm plugging the Toady's right now. I have no idea either. I will say this, though, while I'm still kind of staying on topic, which is rare. HMM, someone write this down on the calendar. I'm still talking about the same thing. Is that a lot of things in my life lately I've been kind of bringing me down. Okay, some decision, decisions, I've made decisions. Du Shoo, I just automatically slowed down my mispronunciation of a word. But no matter what life's been throwing at me lately, I'm super stoked because I finally, after all these years, signed up for something I thought was exclusive and not for me, and that's comics via mail order. So I've been going physically to a shop for decades right to get my comics. I mean back...

...in like the the early Oo's, I had a subscription, and now we get some comics in the mail, but still you just go to the shop and interact with other human beings. Well, I'm done with that. Okay, now, two times a month, my comics, my monthly comics, get shipped directly to my door at a discount and I don't have to do anything and I can just sit in my underwear, pick what comics I want and there they are. Booms, amazing, and you have no idea how much joy this brings me. I am like inside right now, Perko Layton, because I'm so happy, like and I've known about them for God knows how long and I was always like, well, you know people who do mail orders because they live in an area that's probably, you know, no comic book stores or no place to hang out. I mean, you know, poor them. So this what they got to do. And, you know, a friend of mine is like what are you doing? Pay In retail for comics? Man, am I what do you mean? He's like, just go mail order, and I gave the same reason, I just told you and whatever, and he's like now he's like no, no, no, anybody know? Just he's like I do it and I save a ton of money by going thirty five percent by doing it this way, and I was like yeah, well, Hey, who does like to save a buck? But then, even then, I went with my comic shop, which is actually in my neck of the woods. It's like forty minutes away from my live. HMM. So very excited get my first shipment in the next couple days. So it is exciting, man. Oh yeah, as good mail, I love it. I Love I sometimes complain about how impersonal life has gotten and how we're able to do everything from home, which sounds amazing. That's great, it is great, and it's convenience, but something about it just feels weird to me, like we're slowly isolating ourselves away from everything everyone. And you know I do our grocery shopping online. It'll get delivered to our house or sometimes I'll go pick it up. But they shot before me and I order. Yeah, whatever. When I order t shirts from a store, like a band tshirts and stuff, I get all excited, like you talk about, like God, they're coming or they show up in the mail. It is it's like this exciting feeling. I love it, but something about it, it's like I miss going to a record store and flipping through the CDs or the vinyl whatever. I'm you know, the Comic Book Shop. I enjoy going and seeing all look at they have this and it's always exciting when they have something that you didn't know they were going to have. You know, you're you're surprised by some of you you see you a new title. But you know what, when you're online ordering stuff, you could get anything. It does yeah, even there's any thing. Right. It's like I don't do Ebay or anything for back issue comics. Right. Okay, I keep referencing this friend of mine. Well, I don't know if she's remained nameless. Should I keep his his name nameless? Yeah, Chuck Bolery. So Chuck, anyway, Chuck would be like, Dude, you got to have you gotta hunt in the wild for these back issues. What are you doing them? It's more fun to find them in the wild. And he was absolutely right. And I switched my gears. I'm like, Hey, I don't need to go online for back issues anymore. Fuck that Shit. And so now here's the thing. Right with my subscription to the mail order comics for the new comics, they have so many back issues in their website. In a piggyback whatever you buy with your shipments, you have to pay extra shipping. Oh, that's cool. And so I was like, okay, great, and I fucking I went a little bit overboard. One of my credit cards literally jumped out of my wallet started weeping before it, you know, took his final dive into the garbage disposal. HMM, because I dude, slow down, man. Only you breaking your whole like, you know, code of ethics here when it comes to back issue comics. But you know, you spend a lot of money and the whole point of saving money. What are you doing? But anyway, that being that, I'm still going to be able to go to half price books and hunt for things in the wild and have fun with it. But at the same time I don't have to go to a compbook store for new books. I don't have to pay retail anymore or straight up retail, because it's still, you know whatever. And the whole system I've devised in my brain to me as a collector, as is forty four year old collector, because we just keep wanting to say our ages on the air to se, you know, prove how the chrusty and old we are. I'm like, this is fucking Nirvana, man, this is like, this is peak being me. Yeah, I love this. I can't get over this. So, no matter west been throwing my way, how depressed I get, I go, well, I'm still going to get my mother fucking comics in the mail and Sunday I'm going to half price books. Yeah, excellent, feels good. Yeah, can't complain, feels real good. Whatever it takes for you to feel happy, Dave, as long as just not hurting anyone else. You know, that's just that's the whole thing. It's just what else...

...are we living for? We're living to be happy, man, and as long as as long as you're not homeless in your family's Fed. And well, you know, you buying those fucking back issues online. Getting tricked by the piggyback? Yes, that's where they saw. They get you a baby like. Well, shipping is free if you buy with me. Oh well, all right, look at the selection. They have a everything I want and the prices are fairly reasonable. It would be irresponsible for me not to order EXEC on talk that he couldn't see on shipping. That's what I say to my wife. I'm like, well, what do you know? Come on now, what do you think's going to happen here? I mean, if I don't do it, someone else is going to do it. I'm going to feel like a fool. It's called FOMO. It's another thing someone brought into my vernacular a little while ago that I wasn't hip or with, or down or knowing of. Is the whole Foamo. I'm like, what's Foamo? They like fear of missing out. Man. Yeah, wow, that's something. That's something I've had for years. I didn't know what they called it. I just thought it was anxiety. Hellos a form of Anxietian's for she's a fit is a form. Talking about forms, let's switch gears a little bit, because forms are matter of shapes. Things take different looks, things appeared different, MMM, in many ways, but they are intristically the same. MMM. Am I wrong? No, except it's intrinsically. Intrinsically what I say intristic? I don't know, doesn't matter. I'm just an grammar, not see, I know, and I can't live without you. I need you because I'm just like. Imagine me, like doing something official other than a podcast. How? What kind of fool would I be without you? I need you like if I was at a podium standing next to me to like hey, no, no, you said that wrong. Man, just elbow you and yeah, something, be like, Dude, dumb ass, hell, oh, because I'm sure there's an other Grammar Nazis out there listening to our show right now. We're like, nate, please correct him. It's possible. But here I am stumbling and fumbling and all over this whole segue, because I wanted to talk about something you want to talk about. I wanted to bring up movies. Okay, move is yes, film, you know, sell you a Lloyd, and what I was trying to allude to earlier was you had a thing about genres. I do not. Yeah, I mean nothing huge. I was just noticing that there's a new movie out. It's called, I believe, everything everywhere, all at once, or something like that. It's one of those long titles everything all at once or everything everywhere all it was, and it's basically a movie of the way it was advertised caught my eye. It says the greatest multiverse film you'll ever see or something, something that that effects. Okay, I got me thinking about there are these movies that when we were younger, they were groundbreaking, they were their own thing and when you said like, Oh, have you seen groundhog day, or you you, you talked about something, you said, you know, it was kind of like I felt like I was in Groundhog Day, like you knew what somebody was talking about. The movie Groundhog Day is a guy keeps waking up and it's the same day over and over again and he's got to keep reliving it, and we all know that. Now it's become part of our vernacular as a society. And the same thing. I noticed that with the greatest multiverse movie ever. You know, there's other movies. I remember the Jet Lee movie called the One way back in the day where it was like there were a bunch of versions of this one guy throughout the various multiverses that you know, and and he had to defeat other versions of himself. And it's again it's kind of a trope. But but our our versions of our genres are becoming so specific now there it's not it's not a weird science fiction movie or a weird comedy. It's another great example is, yeah, that the groundhog day thing. There is recently there was a movie called Palm Springs with Andy Samberg where it was the same sort of thing. He kept he found this way to keep reliving the same day and he was caught in like a time loop and he had to keep doing and he was like playing around with it and having fun with it, kind of like Bill Murray and Groundhog Day. And there was the Tom Cruise movie called edge of tomorrow, which was tentatively titled Live, Die, repeat, and it was the same thing. He kept dying and he'd wake up at the beginning of that day again and he died and he'd wake up again and he and he had to keep reliving the same, same thing.

...and it's become a genre or this. Another one was jacobs ladder. I we've probably talked about Jacob's ladder on the show. Yeah, yeah, weird is hitting all. They were going through all the hits right now. Yeah, but Jacobs Ladder, I don't want to spoil it for everyone, block your ears for the next ten seconds, but at the end of Jacobs Ladder, after this whole Weird psychedelic movie, it turns out he was it was all happening as he was dying. The movie ends and he's dead and it's just kind of like this whole weird trip that he's going through as he's dying. And then there was the sixth sense, like a decade after that, which was all about you know, the whole movie takes place and at the end it turns out no, he's dead and the whole thing that you watch it makes you like kind of second guess everything you just saw. And I was watching a review on Jacobs ladders, kind of like we were talking about before, like young people watching movies for the first time from back in the day, and it was like a young person watches Jacobs ladder for the first time and and they were talking about how, yeah, you know, it's kind of an overplayed thing nowadays, with the whole movie turning out to be just somebody's dying, and it like talking about it, like it's this old subject that's been done to death. And I mean I didn't really realize that, but it's true. I mean nowadays you can and it basically will spoil the whole movie, but you can narrow down a movies genre to like things that specific. There's just that many movies out there. Time loop trope. Yeah, waits for the point where he leaves our toaster in the bathtub. Yeah, man to end his day so you can wake up tomorrow and do it all over again and run around with a groundhog and truck. Imagine now, is this his is what he want to do every day? Is like all it was your perfect day. I'm just driving around the groundhog in my truck. Do it. I'm gonna make a tick Tock. Yeah, make my groundhog famous. Well, I'm going to get viral every day. Yes, who's gonna Happen? He'll yeah, maybe we can blame spider man, the last spider man movie, or Marvel, which is just fucking genius. How they you know, or into the spider verse, the Animated Film. Yeah, it's just like, okay, we have superheroes, right. Well, Geez, we've been doing this now. It's been really popular for quite a while. We don't want to get too tired and wear people down. So we killed off this guy. We did this already. What can we do? is going to really fucking stir the pot. All right, Mal Dave Oars, which is existed in comics for so fucking long, like there's different versions of the same character all over the place. But now they could say, all right, well, we killed Tony Stark, but I can get someone came pletely different to play Tony Stark. Should we, you know, see fit and to say he's the Tony Stark of this universe instead? And okay, well, spider man's kind of getting boring. Well, let's mix spider man and the hulk. Okay, no problem, this is going to be the spider hulk from universe two thousand eight hundred and twenty two, whatever, you know, and we can we can make it say it's cannon, it's in continuity. Let's fucking do this, man, I think that's fucking genius, because it's just printing money. Yeah, because if they weren't already. But you know, shame on you, nate. Shame, shame, shames, shame for falling for whatever, whatever advertisement or whatever link they had to say. Hey, watch this Guy Watch Jacob's ladder for the first time. Why would you do that? First of all, why? You know better, because I love Jacob's ladder. I understand. APP is still like you really care what this guy's opinion is? Did it do? What? It Change Your Life? Would it enrich it or, you know, make you anger? Well, maybe make you angry. That's a stupid one, but I mean, would it make you feel better in any shape or form? Knowing what this guy feels about the flick, nobody probably brings me about as much joy as it would bring someone joy to watch my pug and my Doriman run around on a tick tock video. Okay, well, this is all still, you know, foreign stuff for me. Yeah, because neither of example, those examples would do anything for me. But yeah, I fire so. I well, I think I might have alluded to it earlier when I was talking about fucking, you know, snuggling with ripped tailor and Banging fucking Bruce Valanch oh man. I think that's that's what I need in my life. I see, I brought that up on a lark earlier and just let it go and I'm not going to let that die. Okay, so I might even bring it up later in the show. Who knows, this might be one of those like if you we've you hear days talking about spooning with rip tailor and anally banging. Bruce Valanch, be caller...

...sixteen to win a trip to the six flags this summer. Oh good, you laughed. That was he that was some fucking silence. It was like what was trying not to vomit my laughter over your speech. Okay, thank you. Thank you. As we know, that was that was not good. But yeah, so I was jerking off. Oh good, that's even better. Know who. Yeah, so you know the whole genre thing. How like these little, small, little niche. I say that right. Nate Nie's Niece Works Niche, niche, shitch niche. Both are correct. Actually, Oh wow, good, any door I choose. This is a great choose your adventure book right here, page forty seven. I live, page forty, or would it be like page sixty two? I live, but yeah, I mean it's almost like labels. We've can't? We talked about this, probably ad nause but, like everybody's going to label everything. Yeah, everything has to be like fucking dissected and putting this own little fucking box over and over and over again till we're just down to like fucking cells of something. You know what I mean? So well, every one of our episodes may we've done so many. Now we can narrow him down to this, is an episode about movie tropes. Yes, that's an episode of Thoup this and put them in categories. Are you trying to say we come with nothing new? Everything we do has been done before. Yeah, partially, yes, mostly, yeah, well, whatever, and every life them suck is still listening. Get you, got you. I'd even need to put a fucking goofy face on a thumbnail. No, no, no, no, didn't have to do that, not at all. You could replace me and say this is nate from an alternate universe. I'm going to do that. I want to replace you with a beautiful young woman, voluptuous young lady. Actually, I'm my voice inside my brain is like Dave, stopped now, before you continue. Done. I don't say anything further, or you're going to be just as creepy as a forty three year old nate in the smoke shop buying his issue of plump plumper MAG plumper and print. I don't look at my plumper on the Internet's plump dumper. I need plump dumper and glossy stock. That's what I need. Yeah, under the bad echoes, but you live alone under the bed. It goes. It's that belongs down. That's where it belongs. Okay. So, yeah, anything else you want to say about the movies are I was going to say, is there like a genre that we're missing that you would like to see? Um, no, I don't want to see anything, Dave. I'm done watching Shit. Yeah, it's all been done. Yeah, yeah, I will say this on my vacation to May Coo. Yeah, one of the intended fun things to do with the Famili is we're going to see Jurassic World Dominion in the movie theater, but those sons of bitches are probably spoiled seventy five percent of the movie with the trailers already. I'm sure. I don't. I can't even watch him like my kids. Like old you see the new trailer, like they just release a trailer two days ago. There's another one. Stop, yeah, stop it. Leave alone. I'm going to pay to see your fucking movies. Like, why does coke even advertise? What's the point? We're all drinking coke. Like, shut the fuck up, man, we get it. Coke, Coca Sodas's the number one soda, and I don't right away. And Jurassic Park doesn't even need to advertise. All DASSIC WORLD, well, whatever, Jurassic Worlds, yes, and this one it meets up with Jurassic Park, a true so, but all you have to do is say new Jurassic Park and it's free advertising because everyone knows what that is. You don't have to get someone interested in new characters or a new store aligned because you know what it is. It's automatic free advertising, just using an old title and old yeah, Franchise. They could just fucking put out a ten second spot a black screen. Yeah, this is Jurassic World Dominion, June ten and people are automatically going to see the movie. Booms. True, probably cost you fucking eight bucks to make put it on TV. What's it going to cost you? A hundred grand? Okay, you're done. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of fucking money. And there you go. You advertise everybody. Now the fucking let the Internet get its herpes. It's scorching case of, you know, spoiling everything. A desire to be first and everybody's going to know about the movie. But no, here we are. Yep, got a fucking be the biggest brand in the world. Keep putting out commercials that suck. None the commercials are good, none of them are funny anymore. It's just is, if they were any really funny to begin with. But no, I'm going...

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...going to say today again. See, I used today. I was going to do today again, pet peeves, which is another topic we had an episode about, and you can thank me later. So, anyway, that was probably the worst live read in radio or podcast history. So I'll gladly accept that award and while I'm off polishing in that we will enjoy something that we like to call nate's notes. Dot Up your LP. It's time for nate. No, no, no, his music was much better before he got sober. We've all heard this sentiment and regards to someone at some point, I'm sure. I know I've said it about several artists, nine inch nails, for example. Sure Trent Resner has seen greater success than ever over the past decade, Winning Academy Awards and earning Hollywood paychecks for his soundtrack work on huge films like the social network and Disney's animated feature soul. And of course he's put out album after album as nine inch nails pretty steadily since he started the project in the late s. He got sober in two thousand and one, and as far as output he's certainly been more productive since then. But personally I haven't been moved by much of it since the S. it's still well produced, catchy electronic rock music. The guy is a talented musician and songwriter, but something about those first albums just hits differently. There's a desperation and a passion that just seems more pronounced in the early work. I'm sure some of it is just the fact that any band gets a little stale eventually. Again, Trent has written some cool stuff since the turn of the millennium, but the nine inch nails sound is far from novel. After thirty plus years of existence, it's no longer this exciting new thing. And of course there's the age old problem of trying to continuously make new combinations of the same twelve notes, which is a challenge every musician faces. I'm not trying to pick on nine inch nails specifically. He's just an easy example of what I'm trying to discuss and honestly, I've noticed that the problem isn't even necessarily in an artist getting sober. Another factor that I haven't mentioned yet is an artist just growing older, and in a sense, I guess this is tied into the sobriety thing. In active addiction, a person stops developing emotionally at the age they start their drug habit. If you started using as a teenager and got sober later in life, then chances are you missed out on a lot of the normal emotional processing people go through. You probably numbed your way through it. So an addict tends to react in a less mature way than other people their own age. But sometimes that emotional immaturity is what makes a good song. Some of the greatest cliches in love songs are lines like I die for you, I'm nothing without you, you complete me. Some of my favorite goth type singers, resner included, wrote whole albums fueled by the resentment of being a spurned lover. I used to love that Shit, wallowing in poetic misery. To bring it back to addiction, alice and chains wrote arguably their best work, dert to be a concept album based completely on their singers struggles with heroin. You can hear the desperation, the self loathing. It's captivating and powerful. Ultimately, that singer died alone after isolating from the rest of the band, so that's Shitty, but the feelings captured on that record were obviously genuine. It's great art, but was it worth it? Some people try to capitalize too much off painful emotions and it ends up being transparent in cartoonish corns. First album was groundbreaking in that they wrote unflinchingly about childhood trauma they had endured, but three or four records in they were still complaining about how their parents raise them. I don't know what's worse, not being able to process that stuff after multiple albums or faking it in order to sell records. I don't wish for anyone to suffer, but I don't want...

...to listen to someone pretending to suffer either. There are definitely subjects to write about as an older, wiser person. Age brings a different perspective and different things become important. We may not obsess over crushes anymore, but there's plenty to process as mortality becomes more and more of an imminent presence. And of course there are other things to write about. But I'm just approaching this as a former goth kid that wore a lot of black. I personally am glad I've gotten to a more stable place in my life. I have my health, I'm off the dope, I'm in a stable relationship. Life has kind of ground down the sharp claws of some of those inner demons. I'm not like a robot now, but I can't imagine feeling the way I did when I wrote some of my old songs or poems. To be clear, that's a good thing, but when I sit down to put lyrics to something I'm writing on the guitar, sometimes I wish I didn't feel so silly trying to pour my heart out. Music in a way is like sex. The crazier the person, the better and more passionate it can be. But that doesn't mean you want to spend a lot of time with that person otherwise, and in both cases drugs seem to make it better, but eventually you just get more interested in the drugs, so the sex and the music fall by the wayside. Trent resner is in a pretty good place in his life. I'm sure he's married and even makes music with his wife. They got a few kids. Trent is scoring films and occasionally plays big arena tours. He's achieved legendary status. I'm sure the last thing he's worried about is whether he can still find inspiration to write a convincing song about love and heartache. The dude still seems to enjoy making tunes and working with new technology. I suppose that's all that matters. I too still get excited about jamming with friends, about getting a new instrument, about playing a d some GIG. I guess I'll just leave the heart on sleeve. Lyric writing to the youngsters right. What you can now, kids, in another few years it will all seem like silly bullshit. My Ball shrivel in the hot tub. They go shrivel in the hot tub. Yeah, that's what you can write about now, nate. See your balls shriveling in the hot tub. About love anymore? Doesn't need to be about love anymore. No, no, no, no, it's about what you know right way. You know, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's true, but my problem is, as someone who always drifted towards that side of the musical spectrum, like the darker sad or stuff, it's like I just feel silly trying to write it now, like I don't know. I I was trying to write something. I've ever wrote this cool guitar line the other day and I'm trying to write something and I literally it was like writers block, but it was like emotional writers block, like like a writer's block for musician or lyrics is like it's different than having to come up with like a plot line to a book or something. It's like I literally can't pull emotions out of me in a way that I don't know, sounds poetic or or you know, it's hard to get liked up about something like like that. Irresponsibility of being young or being on drugs is kind of good for music. But, like I said, the problem is that once you start doing the drugs, you they take over and yeah, shot termult drug. Yeah. So, I don't know, it's a weird place to be in. I guess it's it's not a bad problem because I I'm happy. I you know, my life is good and I just focus more on the music writing. As far as like the instruments, like playing, I just leave the lyric writing to the tortured souls. Well, okay, do you write down lyrics when you try to like formulate them, or do you just sing them and whatever sticks you kind of memorize? Or I do a little of both, like I'll kind of just spout out shit just to get a melody of vocals down. Like I'll play the guitar line and sometimes a word will just kind of pop out or you know, and I'll...

...use that to kind of branch out from, you know, whatever the word might be. Well, let me, let me give you a very frustrating scenario. Okay, you're in line at the dollar tree, okay, okay, and you notice the line is not moving, so you decide to hop in the next line. Now, while you're in that new line, you look over at the person who's standing in the spot that you were just in, the one that you abandoned. Yeah, and and so you watch them to see how they're moving the pace. And then when you see them check out before you do, it hurts, man, it hurts deep. Yeah, like inside you like, Oh, fuck me, I feel it right, right. So why can't you just kind of like write that down, you know, waiting in the wrong line. She's ahead of me. I made the wrong choice, baby, okay, to see, and then you just put in change the words around, right, so, instead of saying line, use the word love. I mean the wrong love. Baby. You know what I'm saying it. You know where I'm gonna, I'm trying to go. You picking up when I'm putting down. I do. So maybe you can try that instead. And then before you know it, you got a you get a fucking you know, something something big going on there. I hear you, but my still norm is you're right. I'm tormented by different things. I think it's the the the falseness of well, I guess the pain would be real in that les if I wrote this on the pain is still there, just changing a few words around. So so wouldn't necessarily be false. It wouldn't be like, you know, like I said. No, but you're you. I think what you're gonna say now is like it's a different kind of pain. It's like stubbing your toewor getting your arm if you're tatd sure, right, just different, different things going on. Well, obviously things, but you know, they both hurt, but one hurt significantly more and is much harder to describe or paint a picture of lyrically, HMM, than the other. So, and I completely trust you. Me, I feel you with every fiber my being about the whole, like I am on drugs, like we did mention the drugs ultimately win, right, no matter what? Yeah, no matter what, they will always win. It's like going to a casino. House always wins. Yeah, but at that time they are fuel, man like, they are creative fucking fuel. When you were sitting down writing something, jam with somebody and you're all high as kites, there is, like that's a feeling, you know what I mean, that you could bottle and sell and make millions of fucking dollars, because there's nothing else, like nothing. Yeah, it's wonderful. So to try to, okay, one replicate that because you're not on drugs anymore and to like you're in a completely different point in your life is you would alluded to with Trent Resner, MMM, and you know his trajectory as an artist and everything like that. That's I don't know, man, it's tough to even bother to try maybe say, you know what I'm saying, like maybe just start your you just said I'm leaving the lyrics of somebody else. I'm just going to do the music because that's something that's still coming to me naturally, and everything else like that. Or maybe the ad just changing gears, man, well, trying. Knows it does his soundtracks now, so you're right, you know, it's like he kind of he's shifted gears into writing instrumental stuff. So it's I don't I don't have to listen to him faking about being depressed about a relationship when I know he's actually married. And Fine, yeah, yeah, well, I maybe he's writing about the past. Maybe we're the that's puncture. Get ready for fucking PRENUP. PREEN UP is going to pay out. But well, but about Robert Smith. We were both huge cure fans growing up. Robert Smith wrote all these like Super Sad songs like the cure is a perfect example of what a person that wore a lot of black would loosen to yeah, it's all heartbreak and all this stuff. He was happily married the whole time he wrote all that Shit. Robert Smith was married at a young age. His whole career he was writing all these heartbreak songs while being happily married. Like. Well, I wonder Ay how his wife felt about all that and be if if he was just making shit up and able to just fake that Shit. Or maybe what just maybe he was doing what I had mentioned, where his like whole thing was like, oh no, I ran out a conditioner, you know, because he had a lot of hair. Yeah, and so he's all fucking bummed out about that because he's like, I can't have fucking split INS, this shit can't be frizzy. I have a reputation Quin it. Yeah, I'm out a hair spray. Yeah, but let me change hair spray to out of like love, I don't know something, you know, yeah, did something sometimes I wanted. Sometimes I wonder what happened to, like the person that Trent resner wrote, something I can never have about, or or...

...what happened to the person he wrote the song reptile, where it's like like she spreads herself wide open to let the insects in, like Oh my beautiful liar, oh my precious whore, like he's writing these venomous songs about some girl and it's like she probably, you know, works at fucking coals now or something. She's Dad, the fucking the vfwa pound and bruise, swollen knuckles with like fucking rings on every finger. Maybe you know who I'm talking about. Oh, I know, yeah, you know who I'm talking about. Like you, you look at that woman, who's like fifty six years old now, and she's been fucking like beaten down by the fucking the sun, leathery skin, you know, like I was just mentioning the hands. Can Your hands are a big deal to me or whatever, but she's seen better days. Is your reptile right there, right man. She wants some eddy money on the jukebox and she ain't fucking going home without a date. As right. Trent residers Muse wish I used to be with Trent resider. Yeah, sure, sure, whatever. Yeah, whatever you say. What do you say? You take those dentshers out. Let me go hit the John. What do you say? But, yeah, she could be working at Coles folding t shirt, she could be a soccer mom, she could be a fucking US senator. We don't fucking know what. She's too interesting putting lotion on her skin, you know. Well, trends Kinda something going on there. We don't know. We just don't know. Your guess is as good as mine, and I just made a few of them. Yeah, there's a few guesses. You's got to be right. Well, no, not necessarily. They were guesses. This is something that is absolutely true. Yeah, well, some. Yeah, no, I was just going to say I sometimes wonder if I'm on, like I'm on medications now for certain things where I'm like my issues now are, like I have social anxiety. Have a lot of social anxiety, like my which is an issue. Don't get me wrong, it sucks, but it's not the kind of crazy that helps you write good music. Really it's just kind of like just being feeling anxious whenever I have to go to anything like go out in public. But I'm on certain medications which do help somewhat, but I wonder if the numbing of those medications is like like affecting this like where maybe, I don't know, maybe I could write something if I felt because I feel like sometimes I don't feel much at all and maybe it is the medications, but I don't know, who knows? It's the weird, weird thing I was thinking of. I'm just like, I don't know, if I'm just too old to have the passion. I think I laid out a couple of those scenarios for you and you seem to relate pretty daring quick to him. So yeah, you might be the ladder there, guy. I mean maybe you know medication. Sure it will dull you. I know that for a fact. I mean I take some pain medications. Some Times I'm just like Duh, yeah, not even Duh, just du so I don't even get my fault uh out of the whole thing. HMM. So, who knows? And you didn't really interrupt me what I was going to do with a cheap plug for contacting us, because I was gonna say anybody else out there? For you're like NAT if. So, check us out, check us out, come visit us. No, no, come visit us, write us. That's that's apt right as selling out show at GMAILCOM or hit up the socials at selling out show. That's what I was going to do. Sounds good. Yeah, it sound half bad, a lot better than my live read second guessing all over the place. there. You're fine. It's authentic. That's what it is, nate. It's right. Authenticity is my middle name, if not genuine yeah, genuinely doom Boodoo. But Trent Rezner, back in one thousand nine hundred and eighty four, you wrote a song about me, head like a whole. He said, I leave a trail of honey to show you where I've been, and I got insects in my coochie. Yeah, that's right, you do. You got locusts up there and you're your Fort Levenworth thought. Shit, I'm all locked up in there. Lost the key. Who? Yeah, why does everybody have to have a southern accent, especially when they're dumb? You live down there, I know, I know, it's just something I do. I'm such a such a bigot. Yeah, that's when I am so you know. Well, you know what, though, we got to end the show in a few minutes because I have a recital to go to, bringing some cookies to the recital. I think we've had a very fun show. We talked about some fun stuff. We goofed off like nobody's business. I mean we are truly that. You know what, we may have lost the ability to write some deep and profound lyrics, but we can still fucking you know, just throw fucking caution to the wind, like like nobody else. I mean we are do a...

...dynamic duo, yeah, in Dor Kyry, yeah, which going to change our approach to to creating content. Now it's well, I just mean go from depressed, sad and, you know, stressed out, sad emotional relationship music to silly, whacky, Improv Bruce Valanche, fucking tailor, you did that for me. Be Caller number sixteen right now, and then if someone does call, I'd be like, well, I didn't say it, in Nate said it. Sorry, doesn't count. No Roller Coaster for you, Rodney, no way. Well, I will end the show, I guess, by saying I watched the finale of Moon Moon night this morning. Oh, don't tell me about it. I Have Ay plus and spoiler alert. UH, everybody dies. Oh my God. Yeah, rip Taylor Ends Moonnight like you did all the jackass movies. Yeah, well, Confetti. Yep, you go, Mom Spaghetti. I'm nervous. So, without further ado, I guess the end of the show. There we go. So for those who have stuck around the entire time to listen, to listen to his talk about everything you can think of, I guess. Thank you. I appreciate you. I love you, no matter where you're from, what you do, how you address, how you love or what you care about. I thank you. Virtual hugs for each and every one of you. I am Dave. That is nate, and this has been the selling out show piece wh.

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