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We’ll hear listeners shout out their own peeps on the Selling Out Sound Off, and Nate’s Notes looks at the magic of one’s first band, and how profound and complicated those friendships can be.
5:45 Conflicting Origin Stories
11:21 Online Friendships
18:50 What are a friend’s responsibilities?
25:00 Old Dogs, New Friends/Living with Cujo
31:20 Early Losses
41:40 Selling Out Sound Off
49:20 Nate’s Notes
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ABOUT THIS EPISODE
We’ll hear listeners shout out their own peeps on the Selling Out Sound Off, and Nate’s Notes looks at the magic of one’s first band, and how profound and complicated those friendships can be.
5:45 Conflicting Origin Stories
11:21 Online Friendships
18:50 What are a friend’s responsibilities?
25:00 Old Dogs, New Friends/Living with Cujo
31:20 Early Losses
41:40 Selling Out Sound Off
49:20 Nate’s Notes
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...have any statistics in front of me, so I'm basically just talking out my watch. Her the norm. But how many people have met online and just fallen in love. I mean dating sites are this like farmers onlycom should be great for you with all the horses and all that stuff, but I mean there's a little niche thing for everybody or any kind of interest known to man. It is. It is really interesting. I mean I've I always mentioned how the advent of this social media and whatnot has yeah, it's done wonders for friendship. As far as like I remember being a kid and I'd be out at a restaurant with my family and some random older woman or or man or whatever would come up and be like Margo to my mother whatever and be like, Oh my God, I haven't seen you in, you know, decades. And they knew each other from high school. But now nowadays, like even people I didn't really hang out with a high school, I know how many kids they have, what their kids who look like, what they did for a vacation, like it's just like the connections you had in, you know, during youth continue. You know what they had for lunch right how? You know what I mean. You haven't seen them in twenty years, but because a facebook, you know that they had a freaking cob Sala. fucking nuts dude, it's great, it isn't this? And actually, before we go on the Internet stuff here. Yeah, online, sure, I kind of want to reminisce. Okay, you want to do that with me. Let's go in the wayback machine. Let's take a walk down memory lane. My friend, do you remember the first time you met me? I remember we were in it might have been Walmart. It was. It was in line at a store, if I'm correct, and I was there, possibly with my family, and I think you were there with a friend of ours, Gary, Gary Joyner, and to put him out there. And Anyway, I remember I was friends with Gary. He introduced me said, Oh, this is my friend Dave. I think you guys would get along and we exchange phone numbers or something. But anyway, that's that's my mermory. I don't know if yours more vivid, I remember. I think so. I well, my thing wasn't a Walmart. I remember Gary. Yeah, because he's out there. Sure, and he picked me up. Or No, he picked you up first, went out joy riding or something, and and we stopped at like a convenience store, okay, and we got out of the car and you were so goddamn tall that's my first memory of you. I got other card. I like looked up at you. I'm like, Jesus Christ, look the fucking size of this guy, and then that's it. That's the only memory. Yeah, okay, like, yeah, so, so I don't know what happened. And maybe maybe drugs. Yeah, and yere's a hard living. Yeah, kind of foggied up our memories a little Er. I mean we're almost on the same page, right. Almost. Well, I the reason I brought up the Walmart thing is just because I remember briefly meeting you and exchanging phone numbers. Maybe we had taken that drive together, but I remember you calling me and we we spoke and I remember we talked about soup at some point. I don't know why, but you and I just randomly just like hey, you know, we're both into music, were both into this and that, but as teenagers, what's a more hot topic to discuss than soup? What kind of you know what I mean? So, but it showed that we were both on the same page. We're both willing to discuss something like soup on the phone. A couple of way. Oh, yeah, you know so, yeah, but either way, you know, we the the rest is history, as they say, but it's a blurry, strange history. But we did also attend high school together. This yes point, because we lived in the same town at we you know our towns. We're neighboring, right, kind of flip back and forth, right, but even then, in the early s, that was the traditional way of meeting someone, through a mutual friend and, of course, through high school. Sure, I mean some of the earliest friends I ever remember making. We're even in kindergarten. We have a friend named Bob. Yeah, and I met Bob we're five years old, and it's not like when you're five you'd like hit it off and you like to be lifelong friends, managure, and throughout all the years we weren't always the tightest rus say. Sure, we are still friends to this date and I want to say very close friends. We talked in a regular basis and about deep stuff. But I mean that that's like the most pure form of meeting somebody, where you were thrust into like a situation where you have to fucking go to school and there you go. You guys are painting Easter eggs together and making pet rocks or whatever here and fucking thirty five years later, you're still got texting each other on a Sunday night. Absolutely, I know it. I to be honest, I didn't know that you knew Bob from that age. I'm sure this isn't thrilling to our listeners that don't know as personally, but that's just it is cool when you have a friendship that lasts so long, and I mean we've all been through some really touch stuff. One thing I will say about these long lasting friendships is that, personally, the friendships that that I have that have lasted the longest, I feel like for the most part, they're the ones like you and I have, where we both been through our rough patches and I've seen a lot of friends followed by the wayside as far as I've pushed them away, I've burned bridges,...
I've done a lot of stupid things in my life, but you and I have both, you know, stuck by each other. I feel like, I will say I always appreciated the fact that you've been somebody that's, you know, that's been there for me in my hardest time. So here we are in a lovefest on our podcast to that. But, but, but, dude, honestly, man, like you and I, we've been roommates at different points during our lives and you know, you see the dirt, you see the good parts and the bad parts when you live together, and especially during those years, man, I mean our friendship was such that I will point out, like to illustrate what our friendship was like. I remember nights where the the drinking and whatever had gotten out of control to the point where you were punching through windows in the apartments and, you know, bleeding all over the place. We'd be fighting and you'd be like throwing your blood from your broken, you know, your sliced up hand from breaking the window, and then in the morning we'd help you a bandage your hand up, because we were just all good friends and shit happens. You know what I mean? That we're all bunch of fuck up. Yeah, man, we all were fought. You know, everybody had their own moment to be like the worst of the crew, sure, one point in time, but I do remember that night. Yeah, oddly enough, I remember that. Yeah, and that's too bad. Yeah, you know, here we are looking back and I go, cheese, why would I do such a thing? Why would I be such a maniac. Right. I would never even consider doing something like that now. But again, with chemicals and yeah, alcohol in your body and you think, yeah, and you think. And even then, Bob, I remember me and Bob Got Oh my God, yes, and he snapped a bone in his wrist on my skull. Yes, and you know, whatever, bygones be bygone. It was like, no big deal. Week later. Sure, man. Let me let me switch gears a little bit here year, as over the years I've studied collecting some online pals who don't have the ability to crack my head open. So, nate, have you ever made any unique connections online yourself? I still have not. I I'm aware that that's that's not abnormal nowadays, but I don't know that I've got any friends on facebook or social media that I don't really know in real life. You know, maybe here there, maybe someone since we've started this podcast has reached out and spoken, but nobody that I've gotten super close with. But well, it's pen pals on steroid there, you know, because it's not like back in the day we'd write a letter to fucking France and have to wait two months to get it back. Now you can just talk and and once you start realizing that you, you and that person, are more like or you have the same hobbies and stuff, you share pictures because, I mean realistically, I'm not saying like nude pictures. I'm like Hey, power, can I dick, but you know, I mean like you post things on social media anyway. And I can say this some personal experience, like with comic books, like I get talking out to people online about comics and stuff and on a Sunday after I go to bookstore, I'm like, Hey, man, check this out and I'm sending this to you because I have no other friends. Yeah, they might be interested in it. Yeah, and I'm probably going to post it on social media anyway. But Hey, you know, I want to talk to somebody about her. Want to, you know, do that. So I've had many relationships, or friendships rather now over the all, I want to say, over the last five years, with groups and again, just just swamp thing. I'm a huge swamp thing. Oh yeah, so there's a facebook group. I don't touch facebook now with the ten foot pole. I hate that Shit's evil. But still, you know, and sharing comics and stories and things like that. It's a lot of fun. Sure, it really is. You just can't take it too serious. Absolutely, man, you know and and I but that's what I mean. The culture of are the the definition of friendship, and what has has changed so much because of this social media where you do get very close. You do. I mean even pen pals back in the day. When you write something, it's like, I feel like you're you get really you can get really honest and and your thoughts are coming out on paper uninterrupted by social cues or, you know, verbal interruptions whatever. So you just write and I know times that I've been in jail or prison when I've written to people. I feel like that's some of the most honest and deep that my thoughts and my interactions with people have gotten, whether it's with friends or family or whatever. Like the written word does a lot and and online a lot of your interactions are written words. So you've I feel like that the potential for it to be very intimate and close is is there, but again we're separated by the screens and the distance between us and I don't know what that does. I mean. I don't know. I mean because, for example, like there are band members of bands that I've listened to since I was a kid, skinny puppy this industrial band that I've loved since I was, you know, thirteen years old. They've been around since the early S. on Facebook I interact with with one of the guys in the spin and and I know you can F follow anybody,...
...you can interact, you could technically be friends, quote unquote, with anybody, but this guy actually responds to me and and I feel like, yeah, he probably does that with a million people. But as a kid you didn't. You didn't have that unless you were like a it was a fan male scenario, or and even if it was, what are the odds that you were getting back a response from a fan letter as a kid? It's interesting now it's yeah, it's pretty cool, is what I'm getting yeah, for you know, totally man and for you it's band members. For me, I remember in the early O's, two thousands getting on a message boards and like talking to comic book creators and it's being like wow, this is so great because you know before you well, at that time, let me stop myself. It was great then, right, right tip, to be able to have that that rappapor or that conversation with those guys. Now it's worse because you don't really want to always know who people are behind the scenes, especially people that you idolize. But I would quickly want to talk about what you said about the walls between us, because as a teenager, I would talk on the phone for hours with my friends. Who's you, I we have another friend that we nicknamed Floyd, Yep, that I would talk to. I mean, I would hang out with you guys and then go home and spend for hours on the phone with you guys, you know, Yep. But now you can't get me on the Telefi here. I do not want to make a phone call. I only I only liked to text time with it. I'm with you. Yeah, man, no, Yep, it's true. I know, how strange is that? Like this social media, the texting, whatever it is. I mentioned how it's it's a good thing to be able to write your thoughts, but but now twitter specifically, you've got the limit on your letters. You're you know, they texting is you know you only want to write so much and you're writing lols and you have idk or, I don't know, and what, and it's like, I don't know what that's doing for us, but as long as we stay in touch with our friends. I think it's okay. I think things are very convenient now, but but the more convenient life gets, maybe the lasier we get as humans. And I always say, imagine what we would be like if they just cut off all the power and in all the Internet access and everything, and we be fun. Yes, yes, you know, nobody would be lolling. Then you know what nobody? Nobody does in the first place. I had the biggest issue with lol, and if anybody ever sends who sends me one, I get really mad. Yeah, man, because I say, dude, are you really laughing or was and laughing out loud? Well, laughing out lot of thank you. You're not. You chuckle. That's the most you get. You get a mortals maybe. Yeah, don't lol me H L lmaoh, yeah, fuck it is. You know, don't do that to me. Some don't do it. That's some BS. Yeah, yeah, that's when I can tolerate. But yeah, I don't know what it is, because it's not like I exactly don't have time to talk on the phone, but my son with my family, like a lot of times, I am distracted. Sure, so I am doing my own thing. I'm I'm working on my projects or whatever the case may be. So I'd rather just be like, okay, I'm going to send you this message, what do you think about Thursday, and then you get back to me at your leisure, when it's okay for you. Yes, and it's no big deal. Yep, yeah, that's going to be no, that's great, you know, and in many ways that's how my friendships with you guys has in fact evolved. Sure, because those same will talk. Let's use floyd for example. This this I know the listeners was hate US using all these insider names or whatever, but still, he's a guide that I've been friends with us since I was a teenager. That now there's no pressure on when we have to talk or how we talk, whether it's by video and chat, texting or whatever. And if we don't talk for six months, it's no big deal. We pick it back up like we did. We didn't skip a beat. Yep, YEP, because we've been friends for so long and it's it's kind of weird because if you had told me this back then, I'd be like, I get the fuck out. How can we be friends if we don't talk every day? Right you know. Yeah, it's weird. It's like friendship at your leisure, you know, at your time, like you can, and everyone is pretty cool with it. You know, for the most part, you don't have a lot of people that are like, well, screw that, you know, you know you're not responding to me right away, what the Hell's are matter with you? And I'm sure there are those people, but I don't know. Our friends are the ones I talk to. You don't seem to mind it so much if you text them and then you don't get back to them for freaking a day and a half, whatever. It's not a big deal. But I have a tricky question for you. Sure, what's it? What are the responsibilities of friendship? The responsibilities, okay, I feel like for true friendship, I would say like being somewhat forgiving of once you know someone's quirks and you know how they are, you're a little you're if if you're not able to handle that shit, then don't be friends with them. You know what I'm saying. But once you've agreed like once, you guys are our friends, if you kind of even if it's not the way you are, I would say responsibilities are to just be a little I would, I don't know how else to say it, for giving of their quirks,...
...understanding. There you go. Tolerate, tolerant. That's the way. Yeah, man, something like that. Being tolerant of your friends. And then your responsibilities. Yeah, just to be there for them when they need someone to talk to, you know, and that's a good one. If you're available to help them move. That seems to be a big thing. You know, I have a truck, a pickup truck, so it's like I end up being that guy. It's like calling for a ride. You got a move shit, then, you know, calm, nate, which is fine and I'm willing to do that, you know. And but I don't know, just to be able to help someone and to be there to listen, to be ash, to be his shoulder to cry on. Dave, you know. Yeah, well know. Yeah, it's funny because I was thinking to myself some people expect others to be like there and all be all of need. Yeah, like, Oh, man, I need some money, you're my friend, give me some money. But that, like, for example, that's not something I ever require of any my friends are my number one criteria is, can you put up with me, my strange sense of humor or the way I the way I talk. Yeah, you can, you can relate to that. We're good. Yeah, that's it. You know what I mean. Like you don't have to give me a hug, you don't have to you know, the shoulder to cry on. Whatever. Of course I'm going to call you up or text you rather, yeah, and bitch about something, but I mean that's expected. But still this no like grand requirements of being a friend or anything. You know. No, you're right. You know, it's kind of it's kind of fluid. The definition, yeah, the responsibility, it's a little fluid. It's a little flexible. Well, it boils back to what you talked about when we talked on the phone for the first time and we're discussing Susu, speaking of like maybe, maybe, yeah, and boiling. Yeah, but I mean if you talk to another kid, you've been like Oh, yeah, chicken noodles better than that cream a broccoli. Yeah, and they're just like yeah, what if this? fucking kids are loosing hang up, exactly. But you know, I was wanted like well, actually, you might have something there. Let's let's, you know, explore this right. The goofy sense of humor, that weird offbeat. Yes, mind, yeah, just we flocked together birds of a feather and exam so, yeah, yeah, I think. I think that's the big thing there and now I know pretty sure we kind of discuss this a little bit because you you mentioned family, hmm, or like you know some people. Do you consider your spouse your friend, or are they you suppose to those things that you should be separated? I think years ago they were like, Oh, my wife is my wife, my best friend is Jim. But now now it's times of progressed and people have become more emotionally open, I guess, and whatever. It's like, well, she's my wife, am my best friend. You know. Yeah, how did you think? You think that's applicable here? I do. Personally, I get along great with carly. We we have a great time, we both I mean, there are enough differences between us where it's not just I don't know, they say opposites a tract. I don't know if I agree with that, but I think that you need I don't know, maybe maybe it would be perfect if you found somebody that was exactly like you. But personally, I've got so many quirks and issues. If I found someone exactly like me, I I think we should do a murder suicide together and just fucking because, because no, there should not be two of me in the world. But but anyway, the point is, like I feel like if your spouse is your best friend, you're in a good spot, Bro because you spend so much time with them. You know you want you want to at least get along with them. You know you hopefully you share a chuckle about the same thing. You know you're able to discuss, you know whatever. I feel like it's important to be friends, because how else you going to sustain a relationship if you're planning on being together for thirty, forty years? If you're not good friends, I think you're pretty be fucked man. You know. Yeah, I just think it's more of a surface thing because people want to say it about how many people a hundred percent mean it, because labels, you know, definitions. It's like he's my best friend, he's my friend, she's issues that, yeah, but like your wife, you get you got to have someone else to talk to about her. There you don't a bitch about or complain about. There you go. Yeah, you know that friendship. That's unique in its own way, but does that make that person your best friend more so than you wife or spouse or significant other would be? Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I think we're getting really yeah, that's a near key. Yeah, when you know, when you start like like numbering and labeling to that level, I don't I don't think that's that's so important. I think it's just Yah, when you when you want to talk about one person, you need another friend to talk about that and get shit off your chest and eventually, I mean it would be cool if you had the relationship where you could actually discuss your issues with the person you're having the issues with, but we all know that that's not always possible. So I mean, for the most part it's good to have that line of Communication Open with your spouse, with you know, just just so you if you have a problem, I mean if it's not some horrible thing, if you if you can deal with it without, you know, addressing it personally with them, then great, but if it's something that's such an issue, like, hopefully you have a line of Communication Open with your spouse where you can, because otherwise you might be...
...fucked. You know, if you in a relationship and you're like, Oh my God, if I don't talk to somebody about this shit, I'm going to go and nuts and going to leave this person. And you might be on shaky ground, but get a therapist right away, go see someone right or whatever. I just leave them. I don't. Yeah, it's not my life. Do whatever the fuck you want. You know, you're you, do you? Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, at this age in our life, do you find it easy to make new friends? HMM, that's I don't. I don't. I really. I mean, like I said, I meet people online now that I do in person. Yeah, because I'm a fucking sheltered weird. Oh Hey, I just leave his couch. No, but I mean I just I'm not the kind of guy it's like out there, you know, networking, trying to meet a bunch of New People. HMM. But I again, I meet people from podcasting online and that's pretty cool and stuff and I can consider them friendly, sure, acquaintances. Yeah, but I'm not really out in the market for a new group of pals. Yeah, no, I'm with you, man. I it's odd because that seems to make sense. Like the older you get a your kind of you kind of set in your ways. You don't want to expend the energy getting to know someone and trying to like, you know, just start this. It's like, Jesus, so much work starting this new fucking friends. Yeah, but one thing I have noticed is that I don't know, the older I get, I feel like it's almost I feel like I've gotten more tolerant. I've maybe it's the places I've been. I remember being a kid and being so nervous the first time I went to well prison, for example, or went to a dtalks or went to whatever, some kind of facility associated with my problems of addiction or whatever I had. But I feel like ultimately those those experiences were good for me because I I noticed that being in jail, any cellmates, I've had it. I've had a lot over the years, you know. I mean you go through multiple cellmates in one sentence. Like if you're in there for a year, they move you around enough where you may have, you know, in a year you might have twelve or of thirteen cellmates over that course of that year. And I feel like I've never really had much for problems in there. The and the problems that I have had like I had this horrible selly one time who, yeah, I guess, as a kid. His head had been run over by a car in soft well, in soft sand, so it was enough where it didn't kill him. He lucked out there. Yeah, man, but it fractured his skull and they he as really he had a metal plate in his head. You could see all these scars on his head and, as a result, a the dude had to relearn everything he had learned so far. He was like four years old, and it's like he had start over at for but then another he also had a lot of trouble kind of like keeping his emotions in check and his anger and in there was some issue where if usually when you pass out, so you get hit in the head a bunch of times, like in a fight or whatever, your body will pass out eventually just to protect itself, like all right, stop, you know you need to, because if you don't stop there's some real damage can be done. It's like a safety thing your body does is knock you out and smacking right if you thank you. So this dude didn't have that. So he was like relentless and fights. I'd seen the dude fight. They call so his name in jail was Coujoe, his nickname, so coujoe. Yes, friendly, friendly dude, but I was sell he's with this dude and, like I said, I'm an easy to get along with dude and this is one of I may there in all my years of having cellmates there may have been, you know, three or four that I just did not get along with it all, and this dude was the worst and I don't know I could go onto a whole thing with him, but my point is those experiences help me to just realize how different people are and how to get along with people, and I met a good Kujo's one of them people who have said, dude, I don't know what it is. Every cell made I get is an issue. I always have problems. So it's like they always stick me with cell mates that I don't get along and it's like, don't you think that maybe it's not the cellmates that are the problem? If literally no one you've ever lived with as has been you know, you've been able to get along with them, maybe it's not them, maybe it's you. Yeah, but you're to sit down with Kujo and top I'm oans with the guy with a name like Kujoe. That's not, you know, advised, but you have to you know, at the point in that cell, that that jail, for some reason they had up to the time you're locked in, even though it's not a maximum security jail, it's like a regular medium security. You were locked in twenty one hours a day, meaning you got out for an hour in the morning, an hour in the afternoon and an hour at night to sit on the block, on the...
...tier and play cards with people or whatever. The rest of the time I'm locked in with Kujo, and so I had a lot of facetime with Kujo. You know what I'm saying, like we he taught me, I will admit, he taught me some cool games, like playing cribbage. I learned how to play a bunch of card games just so I even with the worst of the worst, I'm able to glean something from them. You know, and and yeah, you know, and yeah, but I'm just trying to say, like you, you and Koujo have not stayed in touch since then. Bag matches, no back then. You know what I mean. It's like, and I'm not trying to cut you off, not at all, but but I mean like Kujo is definitely someone you wouldn't go out on a dinner date with. Sure you know or you know recreational fun time, and that's what I'm trying to say about me. Yes, is where I might meet somebody and be like Oh, he seems nice or whatever, but I'm or maybe even go out and do something or hang out, but I'm almost like yeah, Dude, Mike, my stock, my stock room is full the friends already have. That I really don't pay enough attention to. Sure that I don't know if I really want to. You know, all start adding new friends tottle list and it's not that the person's a bad human being or anything like that. It's just like I'm just a Dick, I'm an asshole and I feel like I'm set with a friends that I am. Well, that's self awareness for you too, though, because that's that's the exactly I'm sorry about. Kujo didn't have that. Kujo didn't understand why nobody was cool enough for him to get along with. You're saying I'm enough of an asshole where I, you know, may have trouble having new friends nowadays. You know, I'm a I don't want to go through that shit and I don't know that's that mean. No, it's like you're cool. Yeah, you're cool and we're cool. We can play fantasy football together her stop. Sure, but I don't want you fucking call me every weekend to go out and have a few drinks or something. Yeah, yeah, this, you know, different level do that, different levels of friendship, you know what I mean? Different tears, yeah, your system. But Yeah, man, just I don't know how you know how much longer we're going to discuss this. But but I wanted to bring up a good friend. I mean I think I'll mention him a bit more in nates notes, but you know, we have friends growing up that we've lost, obviously over the years, and right I had. I had a my first friend that I remembered dying was when I was fourteen years old, and a good friend of mine named Robert, Bob Hurette, we call him, and Bob was, you know, he was an awkward kid. He was a redheaded kid with a lot of he had bad as skin. You know, we were awkward kids. We were you know, you go through that awkward period. But his father used to constantly be rate him or give him shit about how you know you're you know you're not talking to girls or your your kind of you know, you're a loser, this and that, and he gave him a lot of Shit. I remember going you know, Bob Scheretz father being a Dick and Bob would talk about him at school and one and his father, just a little side note, was a cop and that was one of the first experiences of me like hating a cop and realizing that, yeah, you notice a pattern of cops being that kind of Asshole, tough guy. So anyway, that's that's my issue. But but BOB at one point ended up killing himself. He took his dad's gun and at first there was a lot of confusion as to whether he had done it accidentally or not, but I found out later on in life that no, there was a note. I talked to his sister and you know, I am full of cheerful, happy anecdotes here, but losing friends is a part of life that you know, is it? You have to get used to it at some point because it starts happening more and more the older you get. And and Bob was I remember his funeral like it was yesterday. I remember the day at school after it happened where they took all his close friends and invited us to just sit in the counselor guidance counselor's office and just talk all day if we wanted. We could skip classes and whatnot, and I remember all those scenarios that that that death was was a big experience for all of us friends growing up like we. It brought a lot of us together, you know, to a different level than we probably had been prior. And Yeah, you're all so young, yeah, man, like we were kids. Man, that was like eighth grade, nine grade, somewhere between there. I think it was the end of eighth grade where it happened. I and nobody's at nobody's emotionally equipped a deal with that kind of shit at that age and it just is. No, it just doesn't happens. fucking crazy, Bro and you know, and over the years we had other friends that have passed. I know you know a good friend of yours died in that same school. You know the Tweedie that died. You know, yeah, Kevin Sear. He was an older friend. Yeah, he's a few years older than me, but he was like the first friend I had and I want to say, Jeez, what was I like? Sixteen or seventeen years old? And Yeah, he was the first person I spent like weekends, Camp and tips with all this other kind of Shit, and he just it was like all of a sudden thing. Yeah, it is a shock, and even then I didn't know how to deal with it, like I was already a rebellious kid, and that just kind of made me even worse in many of ways because I didn't think anybody understood me. I didn't think anybody understood emotions, by the way my...
...friends were feeling about everything, and it was you know, those are the some of those things that I wish I could. I feel bad, like I don't want him to die all over again, but if I had to go through that again at that age, I wish I had the insight that I have now, MMM, not to overreact, like, you know, in a bad way and trying to celebrate somebody's life right in a positive manner, rather than just being a fucking as little prick about it to everybody else in the world. You know, yeah, yeah, but when your kid you don't know how to handle your emotions. That Shit's all. That's what I'm saying. And yes, it's tough. Yeah, and and those are the experiences that that teach you, you know, and and lessons can be taken from all of them, because I've Shit, man, we've had a lot of friends go over the years, but those are yeah, just to bring up the first, first experiences that we've had as of as teenagers, with friends dying. You know, that's right. I just something had to be said about that. And Yeah, it does bring the Group of friends that remain closer together, I think. And had a lot of friends die over the years. Now, the older you get, yeah, yeah, the older you get, and the thing is it changes, right, sure, so. And when we were kids, you said the suicide. Yet my friend tweet these death was health condition. It's going to unexpected thing to happen. But then as we grow there there's a lot of shrug overdoses. Yep, a lot of mishaps happening in that area, and that was a tough thing to have to tough pill to have to swallow. Yeah, you know, because not only were do we have friends that we lost due to these things, but we were also experiencing a problems of addictions ourselves, right, right, you know. Yeah, and even then, those weren't like sobering enough reality shattering events to make me put down the bottle at the time. And Right, right, sometimes you gotta you just gotta go through Shit, you know what I mean? You can't you can't be told anything and you just have to go through it yourself before you learn, you know, unfortunately, but even even something like a friend dying doesn't doesn't stop be necessarily, because I know I've had a lot of friends that have overdosed and or come close. You know, sometimes you see friends and you think they're going to die and they you know, and it was a close call to the point where sometimes it shakes them out of their addiction. But but to me, I you know, I I struggle with shit the rest of your life. You're going to struggle with it, you know, if you're an addict. So it's I know it's strange, but man, we dedicated our first episode to the memory of Andy Jones, right, which was a mutual friend of ours, and God the adventures we went on Andy. Man. That's only that's an episode, that's an entire fucking episode because, oh my gosh, we did some crazy shit. Absolutely, and I mean I kind of when I when I was talking about friends that died. Right as I brought it up, I kind of was hinting about him, but I realized I talked about him in my nate's note segment coming up. So okay, so, yeah, I'll bring him up more than but anyway. So, yeah, so the moral of the story here is appreciate your fucking friends, asshole. Yeah, man, if you listen to the podcast right now, well the well, don't turn it off, no, pause it for a second. Set a text or, in nates case, maybe a call, because you're nicer human being that I am, and say hey, how are you? How the kids? How's Madge? How's the fucking cabbage patch in the back? Yeah, something, and Ye, add is the garden and has a God man, motherfuck it. Just just be nice. Yeah, do something Nice, and it isn't always have to be to a friend, anybody in the world, because life is short and precious and I'm a piano is about to fall on my fucking head, obviously by the way I'm talking. But but still I'm glad to have the friends I do have. I did mention that it is tough for me to make new friends, but that's on me. Sure that's just my personality. It's like when your kid and you don't like Broccoli, but then you learn to grow, grow to like rocket. Well, I'm at that point where I like the Broccoli I got. Don't try to give me something new, if that makes any sense. Actually, that makes no sense whatsoever. I am rambling on, but friend, friends are good to have. Broccoli is good to have friends and drop say Yay, what do you say? We take a commercial break so and when we return we do some we talk a little bit more about friends, because I went on twitter and ask the question. So we'll do a selling out soundoff. Sounds good. We'll see on the other side. Brocoler, hey from the selling out show here and I want to tell you about a company I absolutely love, Mitten Vaporscom. 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And I can tell you they are the best pair of headphones I have ever owned. So why wait? Shop studiocom today, infirmary media. Sure, sure, sure, sure, and we are back, as promise, with the selling out sound off. Every episode I like to reach out to the fine folks on twitter and ask them their opinions on basically the topic that we discussed every episode. So this time I asked tell us about your best buds, namely how you maintain those relationships over time, whether you see them daily, Talk on occasion or if it's just a sock puppet. We want to know the evolution of your friendship and you know, we get some good responses here's. Some of them are a little bit long, so I'm going to get the condensed version right. I hope, not insulting anybody who wrote in, because I still appreciate it all the same. But Bob Roland here. He was one person that was spawned and he kind of touches upon what we're discussing earlier about your spouse being your best friend, where he wrote I've had wonderful friends over the years, but none match my friendship with my best friend in the world. At Gal Walks. We bonded over love of music, sharing songs with each other. Day After Day. We've worked together, play together, we've learned new things together. He continues, but this is a man deeply in love, and God bless you for it, Bob. Absolutely you know, that's a sweet thing. I actually had to respond to that with like a dude crying. It was a very emotional thing and you know, there that's a wonderful thing to have. Again, I mentioned earlier I wasn't sure if it was the appropriate thing. I don't know if it is or if it isn't, but still to feel that is totally good. Next up we have the world famous Carla from the go postal podcast, who deserves her own segment on our show because she's always responding, always kind enough to give us a piece of her mind, and in her reply, yet another long one, so I'm going to have to shorten this a little bit, but she mentions her friendship with her her cohost, Michael Hmm, and how there's a point in her life that she was buying stuff for her new apartment at Ikea and she had a boyfriend who was in the Adel and she was smelling candles with Michael and discuss the ends and outs, if you will, having that kind of relationship. And it's good choice of words. Yes, I'm sorry, thing, no, no, it is a good choice of words and she will out. Yes, our friendship has been unbreakable and very close ever since. She even performed his wedding ceremony. HMM, that's great. So there you go from talking Analin Ikea to wedding ceremony. Is In, you know, ins and outs, to you may now, Kiss You, kiss your your love, a baby that's with you. Know you. Yeah, absolutely, you may now, but fuck the bride. Well, Hey, whatever, whenever to eat of their own baby. Oh we also have Melissa Miller here. We all love Melissa Miller a lot here. We talked about her a little bit last time out. Yeah, and she wrote. People who call their spouse they're best friend are so gross, and now I'm one of them. We were friends for years before we get together. So He is, Yeagg my best friend. Gag. Other...
...than that, MESSENGER and dinner parties keep people feeling close. So she's mixing breaking bread with people with talking with talking with them online. So that's kind of like, yeah, a Combo. Right. Of what we discussed earlier. Right on, man, that's a good niece. Nice. Sure, absolutely, Dude. Thank you, Melissa again. Thank you all, but thank you Melissa definitely. I just want to say that. Why not done so? Why? Don't know, I think in her okay, I didn't want to imply that. I just wanted to say when Melissa Respon, like you know, she's somebody that I appreciate. Well, we appreciate you. You like Molessa better. That's what you trying to say. You like her better than everybody else. We've just been responding back and forth, emails and whatnot. I feel like you know know she's. She's an interactive fan, if you will. You know somebody a little more interactive than so. I Know Carla. We have interactive fans, Jack Razuco, but I just want to bring up that, Melissa. We do appreciate it and you know whatever, we appreciate you all. I'm taking myself a role. You are. You're picking your favorite child here, so let's move on. Yeah, we also had this Guy Joshua around. Nice name there, pal. He actually responded my whole sock puppet comment by by posting a video of himself with a puppet on hair, which is weird. But he did write that most of his deepest and longest lasting connections began through confrontation, which I find interesting as that's not something we really discussed much earlier. We're in. Yeah, you may be an enemy with somebody, but over time, as you mature, you might just develop a friendship. Who knows right? Right? Okay. And last but not least, we have Reggie Hemingway, at Reggie Reggie on twitter, the host of the cosmic treadmill, which is a fantastic podcast. Shameless plug for you there, buddy, because you know you get to say all these wonderful things about Melissa. And all he did was send me a rap video on Youtube. The title of the song is the ghetto who. So that means Reggie's down in the hood. Yeah, out, thug life, thug life, making his friends, you know, hang with people, pouring out for s whatever wrench does. But yes, but now I do want to thank everybody as a whole, not just one particular person. I use appreciate when you guys reply to my tweets and to Sir our account, which you can be found on twitter at selling out show, if you ever want to reach out to us. Or you can write us an email at selling out show, actually selling out show at GMAILCOM. So at happy that's when he yelled ads. I'm emphasizing that. You know, I'm just a fucking wild man over here. And we also have a phone number, which I can't remember right now, which is a Texter I mentioned earlier. I'm a text here. Yeah, so I'll have to throw that up somewhere else or whatever, but already that was the selling out sound off. We're going to take another commercial break and when we return, nate's notes day from the selling out show. Here to tell you about spunk Loub. Spunk loube is a multi award winning mover can't use by professionals in the adult film industry. Spunk is available in hybrid pure silicone, natural and pink. Spunk is made with the highest quality ingredients and is non stating, hypoellergenic and cleans with ease. Enhance your love life with spun. Right now, spunk loube is by three, get one free. There's no excuse not to give it a try. SPUNK LOUB A high end product for an affordable price. Is it? Spunk loubecom today and you can thank me later one stay on day frenzy motor speed, where watch me, green infected splint turbo blastmas seals off the competition and is devastating Aspen Dragon N see ruling thundercarns crank up the sixteen fouve madness in his overblown and deadly L Camino Maxica. Watch the fake boys rampage down the full page spread and interact mayhem with five Wednesday man head to head, nick in neck, roaring down the poll list of deaths every Wednesday while the electricity holds out. It's it's, it's the professor friends shows, a show past the friends, a show past friends. It's a show that stuff, friends show. If you like indie comics and also like podcasts, please try the professor frenzy show. Find the show in itunes search and facebook episodes tweeted out on at Professor Frenzy on twitter. Thank you. You're listening. Junes fly meeting there talking complete doest up your lps. It's time for nate.
Non Growing up as we did in a somewhat rural, not quite suburban town in Massachusetts, sometimes it was harder to find a lot of people who are into the same kind of music, unless you were happy being spoon fed all the pop music on the radio. But by the time I was in high school I was already approaching hipster status as far as my music tastes and snobbishness were concerned. Granted, in the s there was a period of time where the lines blurred a little, starting with Nirvana's never mind and the following alternative music explosion, but before long the air waves were again filled with vapid, derivative bullshit, only now it all sounded like knockoffs of Nirvana and Pearl Jam or whatever. I got my first Bass Guitar when I was twelve years old, and I had some friends who also like to jam, but it wasn't until a few years later that I found some real gratification in a couple musical endeavors that kind of happened simultaneously, one of which was the result of some late night partying with my friends James and Andy. I had picked up my old bass and for some reason started playing the riff to ministries STIGMATA. Andy knew the lyrics and kind of just shouted them out, being without amplification, while James just kind of banged out the song signature drum beat on pots and pans or whatever was lying around. I could be pretentious and say that we were doing something artistic and industrial, Allah Test Department or I'm stirs and denoy about and but truthfully we were just drunk teens trying to play a song without the proper equipment. But a seed was planted. James got a drum kitch. Shortly thereafter we invested in some vocal amplification and before long we were writing our own stuff in James's parents basement. We never even got a guitarist. I was so used to playing the bass alone in my room that I would kind of play it like a guitar with chords and distortion or other effects. Within like a year we decided to try to book a show at a local club in nearby wooster. I remember calling the booking agent for the place and while on hold we realized Shit, we don't even have a name for our band. Looking around the room, my eyes settled on Andy's shirt. It was made by the S era clothing company. Split Boom, there was our first GIG was booked. We got a bunch of kids from school and a lot of other friends to show up and our journey had begun. Over the next few years we played every few weeks at that club, the espress of our, which I mentioned in an earlier edition of nates notes, or at one of the other handful of clubs in the worcestern mass area. Eventually we branched out into other places in New England. We recorded a CD, which was super cool for a high school kid like especially back in those pre protoels home studio days. Like nowadays, any band can record a decent album at home with a little money for software. But there was definitely something cool about driving to a studio back then and working with an actual engineer. It felt professional, it felt like we were in a real band. I mentioned that because as a kid there's often this disconnect between your own dreams and talents and this unobtainable status that wellknown bands have achieved. And sure a lot has changed since, but back then, man, it was definitely a cool experience for a kid. You know, and and and you kind of had to do it back then, like there wasn't all that we've you know, we've talked about technological advances and things like that, but but dude, I kind of think the magic. Maybe it's just me being an old fogy, but I feel like some of the magic has been lost when you don't have to, you know. But it's financially more accessible for people. So all around it's good. Yeah, but but origin. Yes, you mentioned the seed, and that is still alive and well. I can remember when I first started doing music with a couple of the guys, it was just as tapping on notebooks, yeah, singing, and we recording with with a cassette recorder, you know, and just recording our little jams that we had no equipment. But over time we end up buying that and right of course, studying bands much like much like you guys did, and so that that's still, sad, still there. But you're right where it's so much easier now for people to be able to do it on their home computer. Sure, man, I know, and I mean getting back to the band itself, though. This band was, as I mentioned, just the result of a couple friends jamming out and we had the same experience, you and I, with Floyd and with others like you. Know that there's something really magical and cool about a couple kids getting together in jam and out in their parents basement or whatever...
...it's like. You know, there's nothing more pure than that. You you hear stories of bands that are put together by these conglomerate, you know, corporate people. You know, the exact opposite of that is the beauty of kids just loving music and saying, Hey, I kind of figured out how to do this cool thing on this instrument, so let's let's work from there, you know, and rate creates right, newer, yeah, influences and, you know, all of us together a big, said pot and make something cool, right, like what a Bowie say, you know, Sawdust and Scotch tape. I would take like, you know, somebody created something in us, you know, and and the leftovers, the the you know, whatever came off at the Sawdust, so to speak. He puts it together and creates his own thing out of that. But it's, you know, good way to describe influences and how you make something out of your own influences and interests. But yeah, man, like you know, we mentioned friendships, you know, throughout this whole episode and talking about that, the band split that I was just referencing here, Andy and James in myself. You know, we we're good friends. We Andy and I ended up being roommates. The he was the first roommate I had out of my parents house, you know, when I was a teenager moving out. You know, we had some great adventures together and our place that we moved to, the first apartment Iver I ever moved to, was it was a nice place, you know, it was great, but you know the it's weird where we were in our lives back then. Like, despite being so young, I had just started getting strung out on on heroin and my issues were getting out of control. and to give a little more backstory, like Andy had, we had been playing in this band for a year or so already, you know, when I was still in in high school, before I moved out of my folkshouse, and the band had started getting some breaks, not not huge breaks, but anytime a bigger band would come around, we'd end up getting put on the bill and opening for like a bigger band, and things were starting to happen and it was cool. But Andy had this opportunity to go to school for like sound engineer, like music production, but it was down south, like in North Carolina, wherever he was going, and it happened to be right at the point where split. Our band was starting to see things happen. So it was like it is, he had to go do it. He was like this is, you know, ultimately, what I want to do with my life. So he went off to school and Split. Had some decent shows booked all, you know, for while he was gone. So we had to find somebody knew. We ended up getting this dude who had gone to our shows, was like a fan of ours, and he in this other this new guy was like, you know, he was he had already been a front man and other bands, so he kind of knew what he was doing. Ultimately, Andy's lyrics and and you know, I feel like Andy was a lot more talented, but but this new singer was great at getting the crowds pumped up. He was kind of, you know, he was that s front man. He was a white dude with dreads. Yeah, different kind of energy, you know what I mean? Definitely, yeah, definitely Andy. Andy was more intellectual and, you know, listen to a lot of he listened to hiphop and artist, different artists for the message and and the skills involved, whereas the new singer kind of, I don't know. He liked the energy in the VIBE, won't you hands up? Put Your hands yeah, yeah, exactly, Dr Fucking s right, yeah, but uh. But anyway, when Andy moved back from school to you know, he he came back to find that the band had progressed still in the meantime. That's when we recorded our CD actually while Andy was gone. So when he came back, the question was like do we just put Andy back in the band? And the CD doesn't even represent what we're doing anymore because the singer on the CD isn't in the band. were. So ultimately what we decided was so have both of them. So our band now consisted of drums, bass and to vocalist. You know, there's no drugs, no guitar, no of you know, keyboard anything. It was just it was an interesting lineup and I feel like I feel like it was. Those were some of the best years of my life, man, playing those shows with with both of them. It was a really good time. But and he's friendship was super important to all of us. I feel like, you know, Andy, Andy was that dude when we're in high school that, like, you know, he was the first dude. I knew that like in my group of friends who had a car and we could go drive two shows and Boston or wherever, and we had a lot of great adventures, man. I mean the strange thing was when when Andy moved back from the south from school and we ended up getting that apartment together. We lived together, but he didn't really understand when he came back...
...like the the point where my addiction had got to like he he came back up here and, yeah, he'd see me getting high every day. He'd even he even noticed that I'd be sick without it. But at the time, like, the finances weren't out of control yet. I you know, it didn't seem that that. And after, you know, a year or however long it was of US living together, all of a sudden it was like, Oh shit, you know, I can't, can't afford rent this month or whatever it is. It was becoming an issue, and not just that. I'd I you know, shows that we'd book, all of a sudden I'd be either be sick or I'd be I'd be unreliable, and he's in it put a real strain on our friendship, and I I bring that up because of the irony of where things went from then. Like yeah, our our friendship was strained. was in rightfully so, like my actions were, you know, enough to strain any friendship. He was a he was a saint for for a hanging out with me continue, you know, continuing to but, dude, after a while, when the band decided to break up, it wasn't it wasn't like some huge issue that broke the band up. Our friendships kind of, you know, they weren't completely ruined, but we just decided to break the band up because, as kids were thinking, Hey, well, we've done this much with this band, I'm sure we can do it again with another band. You know, you're thinking, yeah, the grass is always greater till it ain't. Dude, it's absolutely true, man, because, yeah, because we as a result, ever since then, it's like I haven't, I personally haven't been able to recreate that magic or whatever it was, you know, or or with any level of success. I mean there's projects that we've done, you and I are our musical output over the years. I'm far more proud musically of what we've done than I ever was with what I did in Split. But you know, the public is usually more interested in a good beat or something accessible, which split provided then something more interesting in sperimental like what you and I did in our project molasses three thousand. So the point is the band breaks up. Andy and James, you know, Singer and drummer, move off to San Diego. They go to California there, you know, do their own thing, and I got strung out worse than I already was, and a lot of things happen. And then over the next God, it must have been close to ten yeah, ten or so years, ten, maybe even fifteen years. In the meantime I had been in and out of prisons, in and at a jail in and at a halfway houses, dtoxes, and I found out that Andy was back in the area. He and moved back from California and was living in Providence, Rhode Island, which is a hop, skip and a jump from my area in wooster. Another mutual friend of US that we've mentioned, floyd, was like, you know, I reconnected with him and at the time I'm living in this halfwayales. I'm doing awesome. I'd been clean for about three years. I was healthy, I was jacked, you know, you know, exercise right, doing well and I was ready to jam again. I was ready to make some more music and Floyd says, you know, nate, why don't you come with me? I often on weekends will go to Andy's new place. He lives in Providence. Let's go over. So so I go with Floyd and immediately, dude, I start noticing like telltale signs of addict behavior, like Andy, in these fifteen years, has kind of developed his own issues. I've noticed a bottle of saboks and medication which is, you know, something people take to get off heroin. This prescription was written to him, so obviously, you know, he's trying to get off his shit and whatever. I'm noticing him nodding off, fallen asleep, whatever it was, and I'm like, Holy Shit, you know, this is fifteen years after Andy was ready to cut off our friendship because I was strung out and having my problems, and now he's struggling and it just it kind of goes to show that no one is, you know, safe out of yes, exactly, after a while, like we got to jam for you know, a few months, probably close to a year, playing music together on the weekends or whatever, and Andy was pursuing his job working in music production and had awesome connections to all this equipment and he was doing well, but yet his addiction had brought him to some rough points and eventually and he ended up dying. He ended up overdosing and dying in this this person who was such a big part of my life and whose friendship I almost lost because of my using addiction, ended up dying at the same thing. So just, yeah, no one is exempt now. So word I was looking for here, you know, being someone who is there. Yeah, as a friend of both of you, and I remember that first apartment, like you should, Stefani AC avenue, or was it straight have? I think it was AVD whatever. But anyway, I do...
...remember Andy really being torn apart, doing the whole tough love thing with you. Yeah, you know, having a hard time dealing and processing with all those emotions about. He wanted you to get better, but he didn't know how, you know. And then, all those years later, as you mentioned, we lost Andy in that tragic manner to it to a drug overdose, which is something. If you were a gambling person or any of our friends who had gone through addiction or problems, you would never have pegged him as someone you would have lost, and currently not. You just never know, and that's something that really tore me up because at that point in time I was also dealing with my own shit and I was talking to him on the phone somewhat regularly and he was like Hey, man, come hang out, come do this whatever, and I was like yeah, yeah, and I just didn't for like for like a few months, and then I got the news that he passed away, and thats a big regret of mine to this day that I really should have taken the time to head down to providence and spend more time with him. It's not like I'm looking back like, oh, I could have changed anything. That's not the case, but I mean, I would have had more time with him. But I am glad I've got the memories I have with Andy, because we were at one point in time like peas and carrots, which is interested considering when we first met each other we didn't really care for each other very much. That's right. Yeah, you know, but but over time we just saw things that we liked about each other or we related to sure and bonded over that and I consider him a great friend and we had rough patches to most notably over a woman. But yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I mean that Shit happens your kids. You fucking stupid. You don't realize how shit really works. But again, and he was a great motherfucker, and I don't say that to be like weird or whatever, but that's just if you ask me, what do you think Andrew Jones, I say he was a great fucking guy, man, and I miss some we think about him. I think about him a lot and I do too. Yeah, man, it was a good dude. Man, Yep, and, like you mentioned, he was in your band, a great vocalist, a great writer, a very introspective, smart, talented guy. Sure, through and through. We actually dedicated the first episode of the show to him, if anybody has ever checked that out. You hear that the tail end? Yeah, so, so, yeah, and then, you know, just to kind of go back to things about music, kind of turn around here real quick. But UH, yeah, yeah, music is a funny thing because when you're younger, it can bond you and it brings people together. Like you may not know somebody, but if you see him with like a pink floyd t shirt off, you like Oh, cool man, you like the doors, you like whatever, and you and you start talking. But nowadays. I don't play that Shit Right. I don't give a fuck. You could tell me you like the butthole surfers. I'm a big Fan and I'm like that. You can still be a dickhead. It doesn't mean we have friends as mean we like each other just right. Happen to like the same music I like. Means we can still be worlds apart and different. Know that that might also be a sign of the times, because back and likes. Let's say one thousand nine hundred ninety six. If you liked a certain band, maybe even an obscure act, you maybe were more likely to be like that person because you weren't the most popular person on the face of the earth. That's true too. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, when you're younger, it's like that connection that you see in someone wearing a tshirt of the same band is like that's enough, your personality has developed to a certain level. When you get older, it's like there's so much more to you, to your personality, than what bands you listen to. But as a teenager that's a big part of who you are. You know what I mean, like absolutely the scene you're into. But when you get older, it's like, yeah, you know, a lot of people either lose interest in the music or how important music is, and there's just so much more baggage that comest say. You might like this, man, but you can also be a complete fucking scumbag. Amen. Amen, do you know? You could go home and be your fucking wife. I don't know this shit. Just because you like fucking s don't tuple pilot purple, doesn't mean I'm going to fucking hang out with you next week. Right, right, right. It's like that with sports for me, man, because it's like, you know me, I'm a sports guy. Yeah, so I thought that out. I don't want say I don't hold I don't hold that against you, though. Thank you, thank you very much. But but you know, it's like, just because you like the same team I like, we both like the same laundry, right, does it mean that you're not a cock sucker? You know? I mean, yeah, yeah, man, so it's true. That's the thing as when I hate too, because everybody groups people together like Oh, you're a fan of this and you're fuck yeah, Dick like. Well, some people are, you're not far off, but they don't fucking throwing us all in the fuck in the bend here, baby fucking Ay. You know, it's that tribalism bullshit that I'm always talking about. You know, it's just more ways to look at what's different between us than what's, you know, similar, which is, you know, we're talking about friendship, we're talking about friends, man, we look, you know, I feel like the older I get, the more I realize that, yeah, you know, we are, we are going through this same fucking journey, man, where we're born, we die, and in the middle we have ups and downs, we have love, we have pain, we have sadness, we have fear, we have happiness and joy, but at the end of the day we all die and we've all gone through the...
...same shit. It's just the details that are different. So, like, you know, I feel like that's that's enough reason to just kind of be open minded and realize that, you know, we'd all do better if we were a little more accepting of each other, man, and stopped looking at all this bullshit. That's my Hippie dippiness. Yeah, my hip. You know, my Hippie side over the years, as I've gotten older, has taken over and killed the goth kids to it certain extent that was in me, the God kidds, Inner God Child. Yeah, the Inner Goth Child is very withering. He's withering away. I'm not feeding him as much right now. He's saying, see, I told you nobody cared. I see, nobody loves me, is he fucking yeah, goes off into into infinity or wherever the fuck baby inner children go. You Him and I'll let him go, man. I mean there's some decent music that came along with that side of me. I still love the cure. I still have my depeche mode and my susie in the band she's and all that Shit. But as far as a lifestyle goes, man, I'm I'm done with being old, mopy and shoegazy. You know, I wanna want to smile more. I love the beach. I want to Tan. I don't want to fucking look white. You know, that's a great man, as is wonderful. It's like I've reached a point my life where I want to Tan. Yeah, man's your goal. You know. I can't be a goth kid. I want to be a Tan Dude. Man, do you want to be like the old guy with like that fucking thick leathery skin. MMM, like Sun beat up. Yeah, like it was fucking sunbeat man, like fucking you have get inside like twenty years, you know, twenty years or whatever. So, yeah, we'll do it. If you look at it, I'm I'm much happier to go like iggy pop then like fucking Kurt Kobang. Oh Shit, yes, cock, don't, he's a fun will not die. Yeah, about Lucky motherfucker. That's the thing, though, you know, we talked about drug overdoses and stuff. You really can't predict who's going to stay and who's going to go, because you got these fucking young superstars. It died, but yet we got these aging rockers. Yeah, keep on keeping on, man. It's true. Leathery skin intact. And if you ever seen, yeah, Keith Richard's Knuckles, Oh my God, the knuckles. Ah, you're like they like tortoise shells on his fingers. You know, Dude, that's one thing. You're a somebody that it has always noticed people's fucking hands, people's little things, man. I mean, yeah, it's you know, look at fucking what was the name? Megan foxes thumb, or whatever was. What was it? Megan Fun yeah, it's got a big toe thumb. Wow, big to thumb. whoont you cost my bum? Yeah, man, because it looks like a fucking big toe on her hand. And she may be hot as fuck, man, you may be getting down and dirty with her, but the moment she liked touches your cheek, caresses you, maybe even touches your lip. You like good Connat fucking, I don't even know, like athletes foot from your fucking numb. It looks like a big toe. She cannot be my friend. I'm sorry, making Fox go away. Yep, yeah, agin beat it. Yep, beat it with your big toe thumb. So, anyway, anything else you want to add about music, friendship or any of the other wonderful topics that we have discussed today? Man, I feel like I feel like we said a mouthful. Yeah, this is true. I want to thank each and every one of you for tuning in. We appreciate the heck out of it. Virtual hugs for all of you, each and every one of you individually. HMM, I am Dave. That is nate, and this has been selling out. He's sick and infirmary media. I think it's about spawning. You know, we're all like grunying. We're going to watch the GRUNNY and run. Man, we're just crawling up on the beach from the primordial ooze, making more of US Keeling over, and the cycle continues. How to show up with cocacola energy. You're tired and you're thinking of canceling on your friends. Don't do it. Every time you cancel on a friend, a Unicorn loses its horn and becomes a regular horse. Do you really want that on your contents? Instead, grab an ice cold can of cocacola energy with delicious coke taste and reinvigorating energy. Keep the UNICORNS alive. Show up every day with cocacola energy. Energy you want taste, you love. How to show up with cocacola energy. You're tired and you're thinking of canceling on your friends. Don't do it. Every time you cancel on a friend, a Unicorn loses its horn and becomes a regular horse. Do you really want...
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