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Episode 7 · 4 years ago

Ep.#7 Fear

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This time around our hosts wander through the shady subject of fear itself! They touch upon childhood phobias, anthropomorphic peanuts and even a questionable theory on how to change into a werewolf. How much does fear factor into our politics, our social interactions, or our leisure activities? Even the Selling Out Sound Off and Nate’s Notes segments tie into the topic.

4:15 what does fear mean/ childhood fears
16:10 Physical symptoms and grownup phobias
28:15 Masturbating Werewolves
35:15 Selling Out Sound Off
45:30 Nate’s Notes
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...a hole in the bottom of it and he've been pulling out all this stuff in and it's like an Afro in the corner of my living room from all cratty pulled out of it. And stupid me, I just keep stuffing it back in the hole and he keeps pulling it back out, but I don't know how to sew. Yeah, I was going to say you should probably sew it back up, but yeah, with my skills, maybe I'll just staple it. There you go. I'll just stable the damn thing shut, you know, Yem and trap the Afro Back where from whence it came. Yeah, I should, I really should. But yeah, you know enough about the creatures, enough about the dogs, enough about your animals starving as you were away on vacation doing what you do. We are here to talk about fear and nate, what is fear mean to you? Wow, man. Okay, so I heard an interesting way to look at things years ago where people described fear as the opposite of love. We often think about love. The opposite of love would be hate or something. Or some people say, well, the opposite of love is indifference, maybe, and but I feel like the thing that made most sense is that you've got love on one side, this accepting emotion that makes you accept other people, and on the other side of the side of the spectrum you've got fear, where you, you know, you keep people at an arms length, that at best, and you fear keeps us from accepting other people. You know it will get into this subject, I'm sure, down the line, but that's basically what a Matt. It's the opposite of love, it's what keeps us from accepting other people and is hindrance to our development into our wellbeing. Right. Well, if you look up the actual definition of fear, I guess this is more in the immediate sense of everything, but it's an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain or is a threat. So I can see where you're saying where you might have read it, is the opposite of love, because these are the things that are other people that might in fact harm you in the way you live. Right, very good man. I feel like the the side of the political spectrum of Republicans. We've mentioned this before and we we don't get too political on this show, but we make no bones about the fact or I personally, I'll keep it on me, make no bones about the fact that I'm I tend towards the left side of the spectrum and I feel like the left is more accepting of other cultures, of homosexuality. It the progressive side of things is, you know, we want to accept more, we want to help people who need help, whereas the right, the Republicans are conservatives, are usually it's a fear of change, even in the name conservative. It's like you want to conserve, you want to hold onto what you have, you don't want to go outside your comfort zone. And you know, fear is often disguised as anger or hatred and if you look at the root cause of it, it's usually fear that comes, you know, that creates these feelings of fear, I mean of anger and hatred. Fears powerful men and it seems like, yeah, that side of politics has has kind of made it it's foundation. It's Plat. You're saying to me that these conservatives are afraid of change, so therefore they are fear mongering. I would say that, yeah, man's with kick in the ASS. How do you feel about it? Fear? Well, you know, I hear what you're saying and I totally agree with you, to be honest with you, politically. But I mean I for me, when I start thinking about fear, it's just more what are you scared of? You know what frightens you. I mentioned you pre show. I kind of want to discuss what kind of scaredness is kids and affected our psyches back then and what freaks us out now. You know what causes us to state of panic. Fear is something that invokes our fight...

...or flight response. Right, sure, absolutely. Are we going to stand up to our fears? Are we going to run away? Right, and this is a just a really basic, pure human emotion, which is all caused by chemicals in our brain and gets as pumping with our adrenaline and you know all that good stuff. So when I think about fear, that's where I begin my earliest memories of what scared the living but Jesus out of me. Yeah, what? What was that? Well, for me, Oh boy, I had a lot of weird fears when I was a kid, and I think this contributes into why I'm such a weird adult. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. Like I used to be afraid of looking up directly at the sky, okay, because I thought it would I would float away like a balloon and no one would ever see me again. Wow, yeah, that's a weird thing. Like I remember being at like the bank with my mom and she'd be going inside. I look up and go who I got a hold on to a tree, I've got to grab something, the curb, anything, so I don't fly away forever. Oh Man, God, bless gravity. Yeah, I needed it. Yes, thank you gravity, which is now actually kind of a curse for me. Yeah, I look, yeah, everything's kind of just, you know, hanging down, if you know what I mean. What then? As far as TV and stuff, there was one okay, there was this one show in particular, and I don't know where it was aired or where I originally saw it, but it stuck with me my entire life and freaked me the hell out. Have you ever heard of Chico the rainmaker? MMM, no, I can't say that I have. Really, this is a show about a shrunken head in a box. Yeah, yeah, seriously, that hangs out with two British kids. It's a British show and and they have adventures in the name of Chico, because Chico's just a head. He's stuck there in a cave right, whatever. I think it one one point he turns into a dove. But Dude, even the theme song is enough to elicit fear in any child's heart. Rain make again, Te God ra maker, good rain maker, Checo Baca, go on the make the rain. Wow, man, I don't know how I missed this one with this was on regular like. Was this a kids show there? Yeah, I guess I did all research on it, because the image always haunted me and stuck with me, but I forgot the name. I just remembered the shrunken head doing his little thing, or playing the Pan low to whenever the hell. And then, I want to say was maybe like two years ago. It freaked me out in like a dream and I woke up the next day I'm like Google and I'm going crazy. I'm like shrunken head in a box. I'm coming up with all this weird stuff and then I think I put it out on twitter or something. Yeah, someone actually responded to me and I was like that's it. That is the fucking image that has been freaking me out my entire existence, and it's on Youtube. You weren't alone, apparently, something else. Yeah, well, that of Chord. It struck a chord. I don't know how scared of it they were buying. Listen, I posted it on twitter afterwards. I'm like, okay, now you are all scarred as well. You're welcome. Ah. Yeah, see, I was kind of being on vacation whatnot. I kind of missed out on some of the twitter. I was trying to take a vacation from social media as well. Here you. Yeah, I know, man, but but man, I would have been interested. I'll have to go look at that, because I do. That doesn't ring any bells with me. I feel like that would have been something that I may have been interested in as a kid. I I personally was was drawn to creepy stuff and I don't know as it as a kid, my I had an older brother, four years older than me, and we always loved horror movies. It's it was something in that childlike mentality where you're like, I'm getting away with seeing something that I'm not supposed to. Spoken on. Yeah, another podcasts about how my step son is. We end up watching horror movies. He's getting to that age where he's interested and I love it. But yeah, I missed out on this. Chico, the shrunken head in a box, or whatever it's called.

Rain maker, Chico the rainmaker, Chico the rain I think it also goes by the name the boy with two heads, which I don't I don't really understand, but Nah, continued, please. Yeah, no, no, I was I was just saying as a yeah, I always loved that side of entertainment. I always loved like horror movies, dark music, I said, as as I grew up. I've mentioned that I was kind of Gothy. I was it, you know, I like the like we're in black. I liked but they the movies I watched, Dude, I always watched, yeah, the weird, obscure s horror movies, and I'm still a fan of them. And that brings me to this topic of of like how fear, despite being a quote, negative emotion, something on that negative side of emotions. It's a it's a pretty big seller in society, man. There's a whole whole industry of yeah, horror movies, and it even goes to the fear that's associated with like amusement parks and roller coasters rides like that. It people go skydiving, man, peep Um. To keep it in this what we were scared of as kids and what I obviously wasn't skydiving, you know, as a little kid. But but my brother and I definitely were the types that would find tall trees to jump off of and, you know, our rope devils that were death defying or whatever we could, whatever we could do. We go to the ocean right after a storm, so the waves were potentially dangerous and fun and and I don't understand what that is, but I think it's the adrenaline is. Yeah, the adrenaline that comes out with fear is is akin to like a drug or some kind of pleasant experience to some people. Some people can't stand it. It's, you know, uncomfortable. I feel like I had a lack of fear where maybe it would have been smart for me to be scared as a kid. You know, my my parents were probably plagued by the fact that, you know, my brother and I were, we're doing things that could have gotten us killed, you know, stupid tricks on our bikes. This is more of the physical side of fear. I mean we had a rational fears to you got as a kid. The world is a scary place, man, you know, nightmares and fear the dark, things like that. It's it's you know, some of that magic has gone. You know, I've gotten older, I've I've stopped believing that there's such things as ghosts and monsters under the bed or in the closet. And and despite that being a quote, negative thing when you're a kid, I almost miss that sort of belief in in something magical. The world's a little more boring when you realize there's no monsters. The same way, it's you know, there's no Santa Claus or Jesus man. You know, it's I just I feel like the world was a little more interesting when I when I thought there could have been ghosts, and and not just because maybe there's the the end of your life isn't technically the end. That's one aspect, obviously, but there was just something kind of cool about, oh, there's that house down the road that you know may or may not be haunted and you know now it's just up. That's a house that should be torn down or it's a or the person that lives there as a nut job. It's like I feel like, yeah, there was something a little, a little magical to that, you know, fear as a kid. So I don't know, but did you have any of that? Did you have any like houses that were creepy down the road from you when you were growing up? My Grandmother Her house, you remember my grandmother's House and Dudley Massachusetts, of course. Yeah, that's basically where I grew up and it was an old house built in the civil war, and I'm gonna tell you right now that basement was creepy as fuck. And there was one time I went down to the basement, all right, I was scared to do something. Someone's like, Oh, grab something day or whatever, and I saw Mr Peanut doing a Jig. Wow, yeah, without this was...

...there's no LSD involved, nothing. You were, wow, just a kid, and I saw Mr peanut clear as day, like, but not that that that dude did. He did, he d but at that, DA, Da, DA, and I freaked out. I went run up to stay, as I told everybody, I saw a life size Mr peanut, you know, getting down, getting funky, and everybody thought I was crazy. But as far as ghosts and stuff, I don't really have tons of other experiences, I guess, noteworthy stuff I should talk about on air, except for, yeah, the planters peanut guy. Wow, man, well, that's definitely a noteworthy yeah, man, yea, it was something. How do you feel when you when you do get afraid? Like, I know, I don't want to go as far as like a panic attack or something, sure, but I mean just as far as if something really freak see out, how does that affect you? Well, you know, nowadays, I mean my fears are, as I was saying, we're like our are a little less of the supernatural. Maybe I but the fears I get now it's like, yeah, sometimes I freeze up, man, I'll have yeah, well, my fears now I don't. All right, so a lot of people have like a fear of heights and things like that. I've never been someone to have a fear of heights. I've, I sort of mentioned, I've been, you know, skydiving. I've done, you know, all kinds of jumping off stupid things as a kid and whatnot. But so to this day it's like when I'm applying for a job, if I get some kind of job where I'm working up on a roof. For a couple of years ago, with all the snow, we were clearing off roofs because the snow was like three or four feet deep on these roofs and they were slippery, and I was like, Oh, I can do that. I don't get scared easily of heights, but for some reason it's like I'll hit these moments where I'm just like, it just hits me unexpectedly and the fear is like, you know, yeah, I freeze up, Pete on mind, yeah, I almost can't go back down, I can't keep going, and it doesn't happen often, but when it does, man, it's a physical thing where I yeah, petrified exactly, but I don't know, man, I can feel you on that. I think I'm going to relate more to like a panic attack or something, cause I don't really have a lot of senses of fear now. There's nothing that really, you know, makes me stop my tracks and go, oh Jesus, Um, you're but I fearless. Well, no, I shouldn't have walk that far. I do have some fears. Isn't as an adult, and we'll talk about those in a little bit. Yeah, but whenever I was a most scared, the thing I can relate to it is like your body almost becomes hollow and like my intestines become like tissue paper, like I always feel like I have no weight to me and that I'm just just an empty thing. I don't know, what would you call that? A cat? Not a cat, like a shell, like a shell or something. Yeah, I just yeah, I don't freeze up or anything, I just feel empty. Wow. Yeah, Huh, that's interesting, man. Yeah, but it does again, it manifests itself in like a physical symptom. You know, you feel a certain way. That's bizarre, man. Yeah, so as yeah, as kids, my fears were, yeah, more more irrational stuff that the hasn't followed me to, you know, and I feel like that's normal. I feel, you know, the world's a scary place when you're a kid, you know. And Yeah, even now. Yeah, yeah, all the way worse. Hey, the word I was trying to think of was Husk oh Huss Us, and I just want to correct myself on are now, so nobody does it later and goes day. You were stuttering, you didn't make any sense. You try to say Husky. Idiot. Will guess what it was on the tip of my tongue and it came back to me while we are on are. Boo Yash, suck it, ha ha ha, nice yecause, because this is that a fear that someone would pick on you? Yeah, no, lack of knowledge that well, that's one thing that never terrifies me is the way other people judge me or feel about me or criticize me. I really could give a flying flip. Good for you, man, I have noticed that about you. You know, we've been friends. We've been friends for a long time, and one thing I will...

...say is that, yeah, you are not shy and you're not afraid of showing people who you are, and I always respected that. So, if you don't like me, hit the Road Jack. You know, the old saying is you don't pay my bills. You know what I mean and I live by it's like if you don't like the way I dress, you don't like the way I talk, you don't like anything about me, beat it, I don't care about you. And that's just the way it is. And I know that's a common fear and we're going to be talking about this a little bit later in the selling out sound off because we ask some listening responses and it seems like that was kind of a big one. But yeah, never, never affects me. But you know what bothers me now? What's a aging? Yeah, man, edgings. Aging is a fear of mine and is happening to me and I think it's more scary to me now now because in my youth it would bother me the the concept of it. Yeah, and I was always like, well, I don't have to worry about that now. I'll worry about that later down the road. But I'm thirty, when I'm forty, and here I am. You know, it's time to pay the Piper and I'm like, Oh shit, this is when I was twenty. I was like, I'll worry about it then. Now is that time? Yeah, now is then and it's and it's not a matter of like again, people looking at me going all shit, you look old, is me looking in the mirror and going man, you know, the clock is taken. The calendar keeps flipping and when is my time up? I have a son now. I'm responsible for him. He depends on me, and I keep thinking about that. I'm like, what if I'm not around at this point in time? Or what if I missed the wedding? What if I missed this or the graduation of the grandkids or whatever? And and all that being said, I'm not taking any better care of myself. Yeah, yeah, I only like myself to blame. But yeah, right, dude. Fear can be a motivating factor and do wonders for us, but yeah, sometimes it's just fuck it, fuck, yeah, just sucks. It's gonna Sucks to have that fear. Yeah, yeah, Dude, the fear of aging is definitely, you know, a real thing. Now I get older too, I feel like I feel like I'm doing okay, considering the the abuse I put my body through, but but still, man, yeah, you look in the mirror sometimes you're just like, man, I'm one of those dudes. I'm just getting old. Ouch. Yeah, it turns well, you're in shape, you're lucky. Yeah, so I'm a fact, I'm a fat todd you know what I mean. You look at me I'm just so fucking walking, talking, tird, and at least you got muscles and stuff. Me, I get the Gut. I'm like yeah, baby, fucking bring me down the trail a pock. That's why I'm going to lay down and die. Yeah, but again, Dude, who are you trying to impress? Man? Well, nobody need you are who you are. I'm more worried about the people that care about me, right, I mean right, that's the thing. And then me myself, I look in the mirror and I go all fuck, because of death comes for us all. And what have I accomplished? What have I done this even again, not to satisfy other people, but satisfy myself. Yeah, at this point in my life, I thought I'd be like a writer, I thought I'd be established doing things, you know, and I'm nowhere near that. I almost feel like I'm still like that sixteen year old kid, just trapped in the forty year old body, and I'm like Shit, man, you know, and it's they always say it's never too late, and I agree. He's never too late, but I don't have a lot of like I should look at my kid and think of it as a motivator and go. I want him to be proud of me. I want, you know, him to think, all, my dad accomplished this or whatever, but gosh darn it, I'm so fucking tired. I'm so damned tired. Over the course of an average day it's like, yeah, I'm going to write my great fucking novel, Man, I'm gonna sit down, gonna do it, and then you sit in front of the fucking computer and you start vaping or you you know, he he started scrolling through twitter or something. You like, yeah, I'll get to it later, something else pops up and then, you know, fucking here we are, all dust in the wind. So, yeah, you know, it is what it is. Yeah, man, it's frustrating, it's scary and you know, I don't even think I'm necessarily scared of the death side of it. Like I'm not scared of the fact that I'm going to die. Yes, there's the there's the pain of knowing that the people that care about me are gonna, you know, be without me, but there's the it's more the fear of before death. You know, there's a there was there's a line by a...

...band that I listened to where they said it's quicksand. Actually it's been quicksand, and they said there is no pain in death. It only hurts to die, and I feel like that's the thing. I feel like death could eventually be a relief more than anything, you know, because life is full of suffering and pain. It's full of great stuff too, but when you die you don't have anything to worry about, as far as we know. Yeah, the but, yeah, the lead up to it, if you're dying slowly and painfully, or if you're watching your you're you know, your body just slowly decay and get older, it's balls hit the floor, you know, as the worst you know, this is what dropping. I gets stuck to the linoleum. Yeah, it's gonna be the end. All be all right there. Oh, yeah, you know, absolutely. Start at the show. When you talking about fear, you immediately rush to politics. Yeah, I found this interesting to me because it's not that I don't agree with you, I most certainly do. Yeah, but as an adult. You know, I mentioned aging in. You said the same thing, but it's interesting to me that you think this is a scary enough thing that when we say we're going to do an episode about fear, you want to bring it up right from the jump. Yeah, yeah, well, I'm just thinking of what's what's pertinent and and today's climate. It's hard to avoid politics right now in life and I felt like it's something that is everywhere. It's on the news every day, it's it's if you sit with your family at Thanksgiving or whatever, you know, some get together, somebody is going to start bitching about the you know, politics in the political climate right now and, like I said, I feel like so much of it is fear. You've got you've got Donald Trump talking about building a wall to keep out these terrifying monsters that are trying to cross our border and it's like, in reality that's irrational. Most of the people trying to cross are just looking for a better life. You know, we've talked about this before, so I don't want to get to into that. But but then it's the fear of, yeah, you know, the borders. It's the fear of you know whatever. This legitly scares unate. I don't mean cut it on you here, but I mean you would lay awake at night and this freaks you the fuck out. No, no, what I'm saying is this stuff doesn't scape what's well, I guess it scares me a little that we've got someone in power like that. My point is that that side of politics scare as that weaponizzing fear. Right. Thank you. And why? Why do we need to spend more money on our military budget when we've got the biggest military by far in the world? Why? Why do we need to start this space force bullshit that this guy's talking about, where we need another branch of the government that that attacks from outer space? Like, do we really have that many enemies? You know? I mean that's that was my point. I'm I'm not lying awake in bed thinking about it. I'm I'm noticing that the people that follow trump, it's because he's he's pinpointed this thing in them that they're scared. You know, this xenophobia, Homophobia, whatever it is, it's you know, it doesn't bother me. I'm just saying that. Yeah, in this in this political climate, it's, you know, there's a lot of fear mongering going on. So I don't know, I think we should replace all weapons in the world. Was Sports. There you go. Yeah, imagine war is being fought with fucking sports. Huh. She's met nonle're gonna with Sayple are gonna just quickly, people are going to d print sporks now. Yeah, Hey, you know what, I only would be entertaining to watch, but I mean it'd be a real challenge, you know. You know, fucking dropping a nuke on somebody's head here. You got to show up at the door, you know, and be like Hey, man, I'm going to Fucking Jab you with this this doll plastic utensil until you're dead. Yeah, but that would be some serious stuff right there. I don't yeah, I don't know if that's good or bad, man. I mean I think it would be great because there may be less fatalities and there may be a lot of people who who give up early because they're like,...

...dude, this is not going to work. Yeah, you can, you can have Palestine, buddy keeping. Yeah, Jesus man, yeah, I know, but you know, yeah, fear is but it's is true. Fear. You know, it motivates a lot of people. You fucked up shit. I mean you mentioned earlier we've talked about all this stuff, I'm previous episodes, and we have, because we've already hit politics and religion. Yeah, before. But fear has a lot to do with that, obviously, man. You know, we mentioned dying. So therefore, hey, we don't we don't know what it is. We fear the unknown, so we got to create religions and books and text that will try to explain it, to put us at ease, to calm us down and make us feel better about the inevitable things that will happen in our lives. There you go, Dude. One thing I wanted to mention is that when I was younger, I being a kid that liked to, you know, maybe maybe shock the grown ups or maybe just be a whatever contraryan type that would that was, I don't know, I was tired of of. When we were younger, it was a lot more of religion censoring stuff, and and it's got a little easier as we've gotten older. But Anyway, my point is I did a lot of reading of like different philosophies that weren't Christianity, and one of which I got into Anton Lavay, who is like the founder of this branch of Satanism. The church is Satan and all this. You know, and may you didn't mention you wore a lot of black yeah, dude, if fit in, I was, it was my it was my duty to read ant on the bay. But but anyway, there was an interesting chapter in one of his books, this book, the I think it was the devil's notebook, one of his books. It wasn't the Satanic Bibles, this other one he wrote. But there was a chapter on like anthropy, which is the changing into a Werewolf, which obviously is a silly thing. It's science fiction or her but he made an interesting point. He said to get as close as you can to changing into an animal. Basically, you take one of these primal emotions, or whatever you want to call it, like fear, he said. Specifically, go to a place where it causes fear and you whether it's, you know, you walk by this cemetery that always scared you as a kid, or or the haunted house that we mentioned earlier, the basement where you saw Mr peanut dancing around, go go somewhere like that that causes this primal level of fear, and hopefully you've got one that that it's almost intolerable how scary it is. You go there and then you achieve orgasm, whether you bring somebody with you and you have sex, you masturbate, whatever it is and I'm masturbating in my Nan's basement. Mr Fuck, maybe Mr Peanut will give you a handy or something. He's watching me. That no, but the the point of it all is that the combination of those two, those are as primal as we can get as humans in this day and age. Fear and sex, you know, and if you come he said that when you achieve that point, like theoretically, you you're as close as, as close as you can be, to animal level. And I don't know, it was an interesting topic. Is An interesting thing. I never tried it because, yeah, I'm not in the habit of jerking off in a cemetery, but you never know, might be something to check out. I'm not going to suggest it to our listeners, but if, if you try it, you know right all anybody's inspired enough to become a werewolf? Yeah, Mare something. It was those crazy people that the furries at like one each other or something, cause players, Sureman, and maybe they try something like that. But yeah, I think I'm cool with my normal, saggy human form that I was just kind of bitching about ten minutes ago. Yeah, man, if you're going to do this, invest in some razors first. Because if you're a werewolf, I guess they get kind of hairy. Yeah, and bail. You might want some bail money at the ready because, you know, yeah, it's cemetery, is something. You know, someone was to leave flowers on Bobby's grave and they see...

...you and before you know it, scoop, scoop. Yeah, we're grown UPS now, we plan ahead. So, yeah, a little bail money, some razors, yeah, yeah, go. Yeah. So, any who. But I think that's it for fear. Do you have anything else you want to add on it, or you want to kind of die back into what we do the whole sound off? Yeah, I know the soundoff and you know my nets notes. We've got some more to talk about as we go on, but I think we're good. I just like say it. Fear, fear, yeah, see, well, I like I mentioned earlier. Well, I said it like this earlier. We we you said I wore a lot of black. Yes, because that's how it came out of your mouth. With black. That it really I didn't even knows. Like we're in black black. So yeah, creep all right, creepy. So let's take a quick commercial break and when we return, the selling out sound off hey from the selling out show here, and I want to tell you about a company I absolutely love, Mitten vaporscom. Whether you are a novice or an experienced cloud competitor, mitten vapors has a wide variety of juices to tickle your taste buds and all the accessories you'll ever need. Mitten vaporscom always provides outstanding savings on superior bay products, shift fast and straight to your door. Right now, fans of the show can use code selling out for an additional thirty percent off. I'm enjoying mitten vapors Pinky, a sweet, yest smooth candy all day van and while this has become a personal favorite of mine, you could spend days trying all the flavors that they sell. Don't waste your time with all the Coil Killing Chunk from the other vapor companies out there. I'm a vapor and I want the highest quality at the best price, and the place to get that is been vaporscom. visit them today. Don't forget use code selling out at check out for thirty percent off. Some products contain nicotine. Adults on only. Hi, I'm Carlos and I'm Michael and we're go postal podcast, where the podcast that tells you stories about what people have done while drunk, well also giving you some facts about boot spooze and the bizarre in the places where these stories take place. We also have a weekly contest where you tell us where the Fi am. So join us for some drinking, learning and laughing and listen on Itunes, stitcher, spotify, Google play and anywhere else you get your podcasts. Find US online at twitter, instagram and facebook at go postal podcast and send us your drunk gramblings and anecdotes. You can also email your stories to go post a podcast at gmailcom. Now, if you design, are you in the market for a great pair of headphones? Let me suggest what I use. The regent from STUDIOCOM. The region is a premium on air model with impeccable clarity and the instrumental tones and well balanced sound. With twenty four hours of active battery life in twenty days of standby life, the region is a perfect companion for you at home or on the go. The combination of high polished metal and Matt surfaces and bodies, the vision of Scandinavian Design Studio wants to revolutionize the way people see headphones not just as a tech device but also as an accessory. Studio provides a product that matches the quality of even the highest rated headphones in the market for a fraction of the cost, and they always provide free worldwide shipping. And Right now, fans of the show can say fifteen percent off of all of their products by using codes selling out at check out. That's right, fifteen percent. Doesn't get any better than that. I'm wearing my pair of regents right now and I can tell you they are the best pair of headphones I have ever owned. So why wait? Shop Studio dotcom. Calm today, infirmary media. Sure, sure, sure, sure, all righty, we are back with the selling out sound off. And on twitter I asked we want to know what scares you, from the Boogeyman to the IRS. It can be anything that folkes fear in your hearts, bigger,...

...small. Let's hear I'm all. You also took this topic to facebook, which I just cannot stand. You know what, I appreciate that you did that. Yep. Well, first let's look at some of the twitter responses here and as I scroll we have at comedy ink wrote California drivers. I have never driven in California, I've never even been in California, but I can imagine that is a little bit terrifying with all those lanes. Sure, and it's not just that. I my brother used to live in San Diego and the thing about California drivers is they don't get any snow, obviously down there in the southern California, and they rarely get rain. Even so, all the oils and things from cars build up on the roads. So once you do, once you do get rain, it turns the roads into like an oil slick. So that's that's a valid fear. Never mind the you know, idiotic driving of some people. It's all so dangerous once it rains. So anyway, that's my teas AE. Yep, all right. And, as I mentioned at the beginning of the show, the fin find lady that I lost the podcast bet to Carlo from go postal. Thank you for always contributing to our show. We should have her on sometime. Sure. She wrote success fail, your rejection willful ignorance, mountain passes without guard rails and the confederate flag. Who? HMM, that is pretty freaky that the whole thing going up the mountain without a guard rail. I can I see that. Sure, a hundred percent. I am totally whether on that. That is some fucking freaky shit. Yeah, I've done it myself. I used to live on a ski mountain and, Yeah, it was very scary to drive up there sometimes, and you would do that on what like a daily basis. Yeah, man, I worked up there and during a blizzard or whatever is yeah, it was dangerous. It was scary, you know, never mind others drivers. But yeah, who Geez, we're talking about now. There's too many drivers in California and then in the mountains, not enough guard rails. Okay, now I kind of alluded to this earlier conspired podcast, commented and wrote. Only fear I have is people, more specifically, is being judged by people. Wow, yeah, and we talked about that. How that does not affect me one iota. But I I mean, come on, is whole beauty industry built on women wearing makeup because you got to look a certain way, or weight loss supplements because you've got to be a certain size, or you know. Yeah, so people are afraid of being judged by others. I mean it also you going to drive a Lamborghini because you don't want to be seen driving a Honda because someone's going to fucking make fun of you for how much money you make. So yeah, I mean that's a that's a pretty nasty fear, to say the least. Hell is other people I've heard. Yeah, yeah, probably true. All right, and those are the ones I just saw that were notable here on okay, twitter out. What do you got from the facebook Zuckerberg side of things? Yeah, well, we have a few of my facebook friends who are regular listeners that we appreciate immensely. One Need Yep, one of which is an old friend from high school, Jack Razuko, who I grew up with, and he wrote nothing is more terrifying than relying on other people. While we're on the subject here, you know, to which I said it's certainly risky. That's a very libertarian answer. You know, it's all about self reliance and whatnot, and he just said that. You know, the fear is relying on people for personal help. Like he's fine with flying and letting another person or autopilot have control of the plane. It's more when he asks for help with a project or an unexpected challenge and he because he feels like if he asks for the help and he doesn't get the help, he'll feel way worse than if he just failed on his own. So that's him. Yeah, he's a self reliant fellow and he, yeah, is worried that. I I kind of feel bad. I want to weird. I just called you a fucking weird on a podcast, and but it isn't an...

I'd kind of thing where it's like I'd rather not get rejected by someone asking for help and just fuck it up all my own accord. Right. I think that's where he's coming from. To is yeah, you know, but sending yeah, and then we have a response from perhaps our number one fan, somebody that we appreciate so much. Melissa Miller has responded. She's written US emails. She's ready, you know, a steady listener rather, and she wrote being by myself when I die, losing another limb and being disposable. Now, let me let me put a little note on this that. Yeah, she she had lost a limb, a leg years ago, so that's a very specific fear, obviously that not everyone can understand, but I would imagine that does a number on your psyche. You know, absolutely so. But being by yourself when you die. You know, we all die alone. We all make that journey alone. But yeah, yeah, I understand that fear for sure. But and she said being disposable, which, yeah, nobody, nobody likes to feel like they don't matter and nobody likes to feel like, you know, trash. Yes, exactly, exactly, bodies. And she wrote a second little comment. This is also bugs. So, yeah, we can get more realistic there for a minute, a little more, or not realistic, but a little more material we've got. Yeah, yeah, it certainly yeah, and bugs, bugs do freak me out, but I don't know. Yeah, you know, it's funny, funny she brought that up, because if I do see, and this is going to sound funny to you, because if I see like a mouse now, I probably be the grown man that jumps on the chair. Oh really, I know you have a specific memory of me chasing mice around in a bottle, like with stick in a knife. Yep, yeah, right, so just, yeah, okay, so, when we live together, I remember getting home one day from work or wherever I was, and I found you. You'd probably been drinking all night and you're, yeah, still awake and you're sitting there with like a pair of I don't know if it was cut off jeans, but you definitely had no shirt on. It was a hot summer day. I my memory is that you were wearing some kind of a band and I like Rambo, but I don't think that's true. I'm just like my mind is a anyway, you were there. We had a mouse problem in the house where they were starting to drive us mad. And Yeah, you were there with a makeshift spear where you took like the leg of a chair and and attached a kitchen knife to the top of it, and you were you were borderline Ferrell, trying to go after these, you know, pests in our house. I just finished masturbating in a cemetery. Bring it out my my wolf side. No, but I mean that's the power of alcohol right there. Yeah, no, no, I was most likely up all night drinking, still awake, because now I don't really drink and if I see a mouse I would probably, you know, do eeke and jump up bugs. Not so much. I mean at first I've been good. Huh, yeah, fuck, is that creepy pass thing, but then I'll, you know, get the cards enough to take a shoe and smack it. Yeah, yeah, I don't like yeah, I don't like Spiders, but bug dump bother me too much other bugs. So, but I don't think Melissa, because Melissa has send some great emails and her and her husband take long drives and listen to the show and we truly appreciate that. Yeah, they're awesome. So thank you for listening, Melissa, and for writing in, and we definitely appreciate all of you who've listening right in, and we absolutely thank you to everybody who took the time to write into us on twitter and on your sinister, evil, fucking social media called facebook. MMM. So, yeah, totally mad. All right, with all that being said, let's take another or commercial break and when we come back, the world famous segments nates notes day from the selling out show, here to tell you about spunk loube. Spunk loube is a multi award winning mover can't use by professionals in the adult film industry. Spunk is available in hybrid pure silicone, natural and pick spunk is made with the highest quality ingredients and...

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...forefront of electro industrial music during their heyday of the s into the S, and used electronic instruments, synthesizers, keyboards and samplers rather than distorted guitars and Bass to make some genuinely atmospheric, disturbing music. Their stage show is a big part of their appeal and seeing them live is always a memorable event. Their vocalist, ogre, turns the whole thing into a piece of performance art. They're often twisted, nightmarish stage designs complete with horror movie esque props, screens showing hallucinatory images, lots of fake blood and ogre stalking around either on prosthetic stilts, wearing an assortment of costumes and masks or performing mock surgical procedures and animatronic creatures. It gets pretty crazy and at like age thirteen, I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I still love skinny puppy and I actually got their tet, the their logo, tattooed on my arm back in the late s. They were also a pretty prolific band, so it became a long term treasure hunt collecting all their albums, EPS and singles. I've somewhere around thirty of their releases, give or take. Also interesting to me and to many of our group were bands like the buttle surfers or Mr Bungle, which had a definite sense of humor to much of their output. But under the right circumstances, ie with a head full of acid, their chaotic nature of their music could be disorienting and potentially nightmarish. Bungle could jump from circus calliope music to death metal to some avant Garde Jazz, all within the first verse of a song, and they used to wear creepy bondage gear or clown masks at least a decade before slipknot made that into their whole identity, albeit with less talent and far less interesting songs than Mr Bungle. But slipknot is actually a perfect example of the appeal of an element of fear and music. They're not exactly my cup of tea, but with their costumes and masks, they certainly have a lot of rabid fans, so whatever they're doing is working. which brings me to the genre of metal. So back in the S, black Sabbath and even led Zeppelin, both of whom are considered originators of the sound, they were playing abrasive heavy rock especially for their time, and shocked people with occult themes in their lyrics and artwork. Fast forward to the late S and s and you've got the cartoonishly gory death metal of Cannibal Corpse, with albums like butchered at birth and tomb of the mutilated, which then inspired the guys in Norway that I spoke about last episode to put their money where their mouths were. Yeah, I guess there's a line that can be crossed. In the Scandinavian black metal scene was one big crossing of that line. I don't want to rehash everything I said last time. Go listen to our mental health episode for a little more on this stuff. But fear and discomfort are a big part of black metals DNA, both the actions and or images of the artists and the sound of the music itself. And it's not just on the fringes of our culture that quote scary music resides. I mentioned Slipnot, I mentioned black Sabbath and Zeppelin. These are not obscure acts. And remember when Marilyn Manson first came out in like one thousand nine hundred and ninety four. Sure, nowadays he seems tame and Campy, but he scared the shit out of a lot of housewives and Christian groups when I was a teenager. By now people usually understand that music with a shocking or horrific theme is no different than a horror movie. It's all entertainment with a few except options. These artists are just going for an esthetic, nothing more, and the vast majority of listeners just dig the way it sounds. These are...

...cult members, their teenagers in band tshirts, kids rebel, and sure they like to freak out the older generations. Nowadays it just seems harder to do that because by now the older people are folks who grew up with Manson and deocide and carcass and mayhem. I suppose that, you know, it's good that people as a whole now realize how harmless most of the shit is. I mean, sure, there's always the risk that some kid will confuse fiction for fact and be inspired to do some crazy shit because they listened to fucked with a knife by Cannibal corpse, but if that happens they've got bigger problems than their access to music. So yeah, man, I I mean I've mentioned Marilyn Manson and I remember what a huge, you know issue that was. There were people protesting his concerts and when I saw Marilyn Manson open for nine inch nails and like ninety four dude, it was like, you know, even the audience who are listening to nine Chenes and stuff were like, who, look at this dude with the white eyes, because those white contact lenses were like brand new back then. And Yeah, you know, so it was. It was creepy, it was shocking. He was overtly like anti Christian and and yeah, he had a lot of people protesting and all this shit it. But if you look at it, dude is no different than like Alice Cooper in the s oing. Yeah, you know, mock executions on stage and shit like. You know. So to me, like I said, I always appreciated that stuff, but it's no different than horror movies and, you know, all that Shit. So I don't. Don't ever like the whole compared him to Bowie thing, which which was like a common theme, right, I want to say in like the early two thousands maybe or something. Yeah, they're like, yeah, he's pushing the boundaries of style and taste like Bowie did. It's like, no, Bowie just fucking he's going to have a dragins guy. You fucking glued a disc to his, you know, forehead, right, and his music was actually very good. I didn't care for Marilyn Manson's music, never have, never will. Right courses, you know, I'm a big Bowie Fan, Yep, but when you say camp and horror together in music. One Act you didn't bring up to me always comes first and in my brain, who's that? I'M gonna say with Massachusetts accent first, Gua. Guah, when you think a Gua, when you think a Guar? Yeah, those guys were like the Kings to me. Yep, I'm just trying to be like ridiculously scary but the same time just frivolous and just nuts. And their lyrics. You mentioned Cannibal, corpse, fuck with a knife. Yep, I mean Guar was just talking about I didn't even want to say on air man. They're talking about like hook it up with dogs and Sharon Cheese puffs. And Yeah, they had the crazy costumes and ask the chaps and Yep, on and on and on, the whole story, the whole drama, the whole Novella. Yeah, him, the whole thing. You know. Yes, yeah, they were great men. Dave Brocki, who was the you know, creative impetus behind Guar, who passed away a few years ago now, sadly, but he portrayed the singer odorous, your ungus. He Yeah, man, he was pretty much a I feel like in his field he was a genius man. They did all these special effects, costumes and they bring people on stage and throw them into this meat grinder and you know, yeah, they were great man and least, I mean I guess they still perform without, you know, Dave Brocki, which is kind of strange, but he always said that the the purpose behind all the costumes and things were that Guar can go on forever. You know, it doesn't matter like if they lose members, because they'll still, you know, nobody knows what they look like per se anyway. I mean now we all was more theater, you know, it's more theater and that kind of show than actually what the content is about. The content is, in fact, shock and awe. Sure, because if you know a soccer mom, here's a Goure Song, because I say, Jesus Christ, turn this off. I can't, let you know my kids and my family members or, you know, my church choir here this on to speak. But yeah, so when you say like the funny...

...kind of scary stuff, they always pop into my brain. And then you brought up Mr Bungle. Yep, you brought up but whole surfers, and I found that interesting too, because you also mentioned Psychedelia. HMM, take it. Taken some LSD and that's when that Shit did get freaky, right, that's when that kind of music did get scary, and people would say, oh well, if you take the brown acid, listen, thank floyd man, you're gonna get freaked out. It's like none. No, yeah, take the fucking brown acid. It listen to you know, but all surfers and you gotta gonna Completely Different Planet. Sure, man, I used to joke around that. If you're you know, when you grow up, if your kids are misbehaving, maybe give him some acid and throwing bungle and that'll that'll quiet them right up, you know. But yeah, we do not endorse this. Okay, absolutely singular idea, just like me putting my dog in a DDT, which is that, which is weird because it's like one of the only wrestling move specific ones I can remember off the you know. Yeah, off the top of my head. Here I feel like I keep saying like on top of my brain, on top of my head, I can't cope with a better way to express myself. Hey, this is a problem, nate. Yeah, I am not a Word Smith, yet I'm on a podcast. That should be an unished I should be expelled? Yes, something, I don't know. That's why I need you to pick up the slack for me, sure, and do a great job with these monologs, but yeah, so, yeah, well, dude, you all right. So the thing with Bowie and Manson, like I feel like in the beginning Manson was very, like, yeah, anti Christian, very dark, very, you know, long black hair, this and that. But somewhere along the way he had some kind of a bowie phase and that's when he was doing the thing where he had fake prosthetic boobs and and you know, he was like this Androge and his thing he was overtly trying to like copy Bowie but do it in a new way. And I agree. Man. The thing, the difference between Bowie and Manson's that Bowie wrote a lot of music and Bowie had a lot of ideas beyond image, and Manson relied on other musicians to write his music and to, you know what I mean, to come up with like all Manson really had were idea, the concepts, you know, and Bowie was a lot more of an artist. I feel like he worked with musicians, but he, at least I feel like Bowie, was a true artist. Where man. So you know, yeah, yes, and I'm not here to defend Marilyn Manson by inpression the imagination, but you know, Bowie sing was sawdust and Scotch tape right. He would take other people's ideas or he take he was, you know, open to other influences and I remember the young Americans, you know, he really liked that whole Philadelphia sound or the America and the S S. and people don't realize Luther Vandros was his backup singer. Oh Wow. Yeah, and when you watch like some of these rehearsals and stuff, he'd be tutoring him like on how to sing something. No, no, you must sing it like this, and you like, Holy Fuck, HMM, this is a great soul singer and Bowie's telling him how it needs to be done. But the same token, he would listen to someone else ago, I like that, and he would adapt it and use it in the music itself. So so, yeah. So when you say Marilyn Manson didn't create anything, I can't speak to that for sure. I don't know you. You're the expert. Yeah, you are so, and I but I will say Bowie was that you artist. But I mean that really has nothing to do with fear, except for, Ri said, the Marylyn Mans and things showing up going hey, anybuddy, I got tits. Yeah, yeah, this is something I had to I had to separate Bowie from Manson a little bit more before we went on. But well, if there any music that you find absolutely truly terrifying, I know we talked about the death metal last episode. We do you want to go to? You know, you kind of Said your piece on that last time out. Yeah, but have you ever just put something on you like fuck this? Well, all right, so I think the scariest Shit that I hear. There's a band that's been around for decades now called Swan's, like the bird swan's okay, and they they're not heavy...

...metal, they're not industrial, they're not jazz, I don't know what you'd even call them, but their music is so loud and chaotic and it's got elements of metal, it's got elements of industrial. He he's kind of on the the patent side of things where it's like very artistic. It gets creepy and loud, but it also, yeah, I can have moments of mellow, you know, peaceful sounds, but it's it can be really abrasive and sometimes that shit gets really scary. Also, there's a band called son, like Sunn, but they out that the way their logo is written is it's like son. You would think it's pronounced Sun Oh, because they're their logo is Sunn with like an Oh and a few closed parentheses after the oh which make it look like the O has like trails behind it, like Oh, I don't know, it's hard to explain. Look it up. Any of our listeners want to look up? Google it. Yeah, the band's Sun creates scary, dark they call it drone metal. It's like very like droney. It's hard to listen to if you're if you have a short attention span. It's very like, you know, slow and plodding, but it's very dark. It's very creepy and if you see him live, they're all wearing like robes and shit on stage of very like dark, creepy atmosphere. And those guys in Swan's are some genuinely scary music to me. But Yeah, sons and Swan Son on tour together, the opposite Sun and Swan's. But yeah, anyway. God. So if they went on tour together. Yeah, yeah, most likely going to burst into flames. You might go deaf. You might get deaf because they're very loud. But okay, but very cool, man, very cool. I appreciate the yeah, I like hearing this stuff, you know, I host the podcast with you. Yeah, well, I like hearing your perspective on music very much, so thank you for that. Yeah, man, all right, man, anything else you want to add before we wrap this up and let these fine free folk go about their day? No, I think we're good, man. Keep keep on facing your fears, keep on, yeah, listening to creepy shit and watching horror movies, and we'll talk to you next time. Well, that's nice. You know, I completely forgot to like tout how they can reach us during the show. I usually do it earlier, but, you know what, I'm going to save it for last and let you guys know if you want, follow us on twitter at selling out show, selling out show at GMAILCOM if you ever want us right as one of those nice emails we get from time to time. We mentioned, Melissa and Jack write some really, really good ones that kind of make me ashamed that I'm so damn dumb. And then other thing I want to mention is. Please, guys, if you vape, check out our sponsor mitten vapors, thirty percent off if you use a checkout code. Selling out. That's a really good deal. I am vaping on their stuff right now, so do not pass that up. Do Not Sleep on that. And Yeah, shameless plugging in to end the show. And I a fucking Nice Guy, Huh? Hey, all right. So, anyway, I am Dave. That is nate, and this has been selling out. Piece rain and make a good rain maker, good rain maker on the make the rain I'm when I'm around. You. Get your arm the way they heavens open wide with a might big crash. Cheek, cheek, rain, cheek, Checola Chio, Checo, the rain,...

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