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Episode 52 · 2 years ago

Ep.#52 Training Wheels

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

On this episode we be talkin' about bicycles! Well, actually how Dave has failed as a father in teaching his son how to  ride one. Gene Wilder comes to us in a dream with a strange request, extramarital affairs with a coronavirus clause, a small rant about our lockdown rights and to wrap things up, Nate's Notes takes a look at electronica music and the art of Aphex Twin.  

 

 

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What are you doing? Good, bad? been a good badge. I cous Jane, Bad, get fucked. Welcome to those selling out show. You're feels nimble. What it does is reaches into a brain chemically and no, cat your happiest memory chemically and then knocks on that emotion and releases it chemically, and then it keeps your happy, happy. Hello, hello, hello, and thank you for tuning in to the selling out show, where we script life at our leisure for your listening pleasure. I am one of your host David shows, and by my side is my partnering crime, Nate Gore Zinski. Nate, how the Heck Are you? Pretty good, man, thinks. Gotten a little lonelier at the homestead. We've been we've been splitting time with Carly's son, with his father, and it used to be like every two days you go back and forth, but with the virus and the quarantine he's it's been every two weeks. So you get yeah, you get a little more attached and he gets a little more attached, so it's harder to this is separates those a little little sad yesterday for him and and for me too, I'm not going to lie, but it's Nice Snow you have two weeks to just kind of just grown up time. Yeah, just, and you know what? You get those two other weeks with the kid to bond. Yeah, and this is a good thing. Bonding is wonderful, sure, man. It's an important part of our structure of living, of how we're raised. You know, I agree. Yeah, and I bring all this up because my son has recently learned how to ride a bike. Dude, of no thanks to me whatsoever. It should have been a better bonding experience for him, but I am a terrible father. How you mean? I have, I have a scarred psyche when it comes to learning how to ride a bike, because my father, when I was a young man, was very pushy, you know. He was insistent that I learned how to ride, to the point that when I made a mistake where I fell, he wasn't the most gentle about it. You know what I mean. So, in turn, I can specifically recall that was the first time I ever swore at the man, Whoa very tender young age. I fuck fist and I threw the bike and he just left me in that pocket lot and said you can run your ass home. Mr Wow, wow, Yep, and guess what? What's it? I rode my ass home. Really, yes, I did. I figured out how to ride the bike and I guess that was a true learning lesson. But still, you know, the thing is, I don't want to be that same guy, know, with my kid. I don't want to be like that. So I don't know, maybe I'm giving him too much time to learn, too much cushion, maybe being too gentle at the same time, biting my lip and frustration because I'm getting so pissed off. But just right, just fucking go, get your balance and move. But you know what, that little bugger figured it out on his own and he went man. But I gotta say this. Yeah, it made me think a lot about, well, I guess, not just bikes in general, but a lot of things. Is, if we have a way to do something, Huh, why are we making it more complicated on ourselves? Now with the training wheels on a bike? Right, you got four wheels, anybody can ride the damn bike. So why do we have bikes with two wheels? What's the point of that? Why can't we have training wheels on the bike all the time? Yeah, just dude, put put bumpers on the sides of the bowling lanes. fucking hey, exactly, why are we making life that fucking difficult? I don't get it. Maybe, maybe it's because I'm sensitive and I didn't want to see him fail, you know. So I'm like well, this, keep going with the training wheels. It's fine, you know, everybody has to do it. Don't worry their son, you know. The same time, I why? Why the fuck are we doing that? I don't know, man, I don't know. I did what you're saying. I'm just I don't know. It's I guess they do kind of make. They make tricycles, right, that's a that's similar. Yeah, but it's not socially acceptable. Yeah, ride around on a tricycle, right, you're supposed to learn how to ride a bike. So, you know, why not just, yeah, keep the training wheels, like, I don't understand. You know, I don't get it. Why we got to take them off. Who you know? I could probably look it up right now online. I don't know who invented the bike. I don't know who's concept is what. Actually, who invented the training wheel? Yeah, that, yeah, more importantly that. Yes, thank you. Be More important to him. I would give him a hearty high five and to the inventor of the bike, big...

...fucking punch to the SCHNOBS. But how about you, nate? You can eat memories about learning how to ride a bike. There was any well experience for you or any such thing? It's funny, man. My brother and I spent a lot of time on bikes. I have so many memories of bikes, man. That is just such a big part of my childhood and and so it is important for kids to learn. I know that it's it's it's a part of childhood, man, and we had a long driveway, which helped to learn. But we didn't, like live in one of those neighborhoods. I got called to sack where you can, you know, just, I don't know, prayer when the circles maybe or whatever, without traffic flying by. Exactly. We lived on this week, this main road that's got cars flying. They go forty, I mean the speed limit, I think is they it. It's more than just like a thirty. It's definitely they fly. As my point, well, you learn how to use your brakes. That's probably lesson number one. Get to the end of the driveway and break yeah, that's true. But we would go on these long rides men, we we wrote around. It was like stand by me or something. You really he's long treks where you exploring and shit. But my brother was the type that could. He'd ride his bike and he could stand up on the frame and like have his hands out like Jesus on the cross almost and be riding. The bike. Would be riding, it would be going. He would, you know, get some momentum and he jump up on the thing, stand up and show off to all this shit. He M X Messiah. Yeah, it was pretty dope. But but I will say there was this summer where my friend Dominic and I kind of ran away. It was this whatever, was a scenario where his family wanted to move and he didn't want to move. So he was like kind of like, well, if I run away then they can't make me move. So and I went along with him like some idiot. We were, you know, young, and yeah, sure, we we took the there were two bikes at my house. It was mine and my brother, and my brothers at the age where he wasn't riding his bike anymore. So it wasn't like we're stealing his bike and like you know, he would miss it. It was it had been sitting there for a few years at that point. And but the point of all this is that when our folks got us, when they finally the the way the cops brought us in was that they said, oh, we stole a bike. So they were able to kind of contain us. They were able to grab us, and I mean we were young. They probably could have. The law probably stated that we were our parents were allowed to just grab us and bring us home. But right, but they but they added kind of whatever. They added a few charges because we also ended up with a charge of fireworks because we had some like black cat fireworks in our pockets. And but, dude, that was that was a weird summer. Will learn yet. Well, wait, hold on for a second. Your folks right. They called the cops because they were concerned that you ran away. Well, they they knew what the deal. They knew what was going on, that the Dominic's family was mooting. Like it was made clear very quickly why we were running. So it wasn't like they were just, like my kids, gone to help us. They were they found out where we were sleeping. We are actually sleeping outside that night we slept on this, you know, kind of under some power lines, like on some rocks, and it was it was interesting. It was a nice summer, so we spent nights outside for it was like a few, like a week, I think, basically that we are always. We spent one night in a friend's attic and actually that was we slept during the day because we had been up all night and he said, well, you can sleep a couple hours in my attic, but it was like an oven up there, so it was like sleeping it was so hot. And I may, I just want to know where the whole like prosecute them to the full extent of the law, came and I guess I haven't gotten that. It's told the bike. You Got Fireworks. You're looking at five to ten for this. Yeah, Dude, we were. We were hard and criminals. Yeah, you're just trying to support your buddy who's sad he's got to move away. Yeah, but we were, I mean we were young, we were luckily it wasn't like during a school year, but this was summer. Like I said, we would be out all night and my brother had played detective kind of and found out from some of my friends who I was in contact with the where I was staying, like my friends were added me out. Basically, I had friends that were I was like, you know, don't only foom. We were yeah, sure, and then as soon as my brother because my brother was friends with them too. So as soon as my brother calls, he's like where the fuck is he and where are they? And they just said Ohays, sleeping upon the power lad you can't say no to the BMX Messiah. You seen this guy do some of his finest work. Yeah, it's no way you're telling him no. He will know that you're lying. That impossible. Yeah, so then you get it busted. Yeah, the COPS. We woke up. The point, just to wrap this up. The point is we we were sleeping on these power land rocks pretty far away...

...from a road, and I woke up to the sound of footsteps and then I heard someone's I just kind of Said Hey man, because it was I thought it was a hiker or something, and I hear good morning and I knew as soon as the way he said at the Timbre in his voice. I was was like that's a fucking cop, and it was, and I ended up with some community service painted some stairs on a public park like beach thing, and and that's the rest of his history. That had a small juvenile record and didn't get in trouble again until I started doing time in my early s in that. You know, that's a whole other story. So that was the precursor there. It was being on the lamb, yeah, man, but bikes, bikes, to bring it all around, the bikes right, bikes. It's funny that you said the stand by me thing, because just the other day I remembered how me a group of my friends, and I'll make this into like a little treasure map scenario to anybody if they ever want to look this up. And so if you're ever in Webster Massachusetts, mind you, these clues are going to take some digging. These are not the actual coordinates, like I'm not giving you longitude latitude. You have to do some digging here. But if you go on the train tracks where store twenty four was in the opposite direction of Oxford Massachusetts. Okay, I know this means nothing to anybody, but if he loves me, you see, you remember, you know. This is many, many, or go, strangers, either you go, if you if you follow that direction, you come to a bridge, and this was the same time that the red hot chili peppers had that hit single under bridge. So we would joke we going under the bridge downtown and we don't hang out there as they go clubhouse. But the reason, I think, more importantly, that I guess just came into my brain at all, was that we sa spray paint crazy stuff down there and one of the guys he wrote Necro be, steal fecal Phelia. Who So, being in him? Is it, is it not? Should it should have been? It should have been like yeah, one of your death metal bands or something, and I was like, I wonder if that's still there, you know, all rusty and flaky, and that some day archeologist might find it and go what the fuck was the matter with these people, you know, like Banksymn, nobody knows who you are. I didn't do I did not write that, guys, you got here, you guys. I did not write that, but still it's out there. So if anybody wants to go hunt it down, I just gave you the cool the grow neck, grow be steal fecal Felia. That's what it was. Yeah, so it's like you said, animals. Yeah, it like being don't ask, don't ask. We were kids. We're just like you with a fucking firecrack is in the bikes. I mean. Well, honestly, I think this is more nefarious because, if you think about it, even under a bridge we don't belong. And this is the kind of Shit you and your buddies think about. Yeah, someone's going to turn into Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah, at least, at least he didn't draw some blood under the bridge downtown. No, no, we did not, but hey, you know, training wheels. Huh? Amen, nate, you remember back in high school, there's always that one guy who dated that girl who had the dream book, and she be at parties trying to interpret what, you know, your nightmare was about, and you like, yeah, this crazy bitch, and he knew the guy was only wither because he wanted a Banger, so he loved that was shit. I was. I was okay, so you were her. Yeah, a couple of them, actually, I was with a few of them. Yeah, you know, and they'd rattle on about, Oh, yeah, this dream means that you fucking I don't know that you need to be free or you miss this dead relative. Whatever you know. Let's go. Yeah, sure, honey, whatever you say. Bad Um. Anyway, I had a fucking weird ass dream the other night and I wish someone. Well, that's what I want. I wish I had that crazy ass chick from one thousand nine hundred and ninety six that you were hooking up with here right now, to help me out with it. Yeah, because in this dream, yeah, Jean Wilder, legendary already, the comedian. Yes, everybody knows him, primarily, I believe, for being Willy Wonka or Gilda radner's husband, depends on your Pov. But he came to me in the dream and he said, Dave, there's a movie out there. I need you to find it. It's lost, but it needs to see the light of day. The World Needs this film is starring me and Richard Prior. Now, if you remember, they were always well, they had they had four movies together. Okay, they did for films. Yeah, some of them better than others. But I guess in the week it was it see no evil here, no evil. Yeah, see no evil here, no evil. They were in a streak, silver streak, another you, yeah, and stir crazy, stair crazy. Yep. So he says to me, you got to release this film, you got to do this for me. is called butter, Scotch and Basil. Okay, the name of the name of the film, please do the udly delicious...

...it does. Were like a love and spoonful kind of song or something. Yes, peaches and herbs, or what was it wasn't even the band into sense and pepper mids something. There you go. Whatever. Yeah, we yea love and spoonful. Wouldn't, I don't know, ask me. I don't know anymore. This thing, this dream, is messing me up, man. Yeah, but okay. So I wake up. I'm a little disturbed by this, thinking that there might actually be a movie called Butter, Scotch and Basil out there. Or maybe I should, I don't know, write about this, talk about this, do something about this in the real world, apply it to the real world. To Jean. Too Bad, you can't hire gene wilder or Richard Perk is. They're both dead. They're both then. I can't dig into this, I cannot find out the truth, but if I were to actually talk to someone about this and say, man, this might be real. I dreamed about it last night thinking I think I'm fucking batshit crazy. Yeah, you don't want to do right now, you do. Good. I'm going. Okay, at least you're honest. At least you're honest about the whole thing. It's kind of like it's kind of like a cult, right. I just watched Waco on Netflix. Yeah, and it's okay. Well, it wasn't all that great. It was very sympathetic to the branch Davidians. Not Saying Yeah, I'm not saying it shouldn't have been, because I don't really know what went down. You know, you can never trust the news. But umly still, I said to my wife, who's watching it with me, you know, I think Dave Koresh was like a hundred, fifty years too late, hmm. And she said, well, what do you mean? I'm like well, if he, if he how this rhetoric and all this stuff earlier, he probably would have had organized religion by now. Yeah, they they probably would have given him his own like county out in like Utah. You know what I mean? Right, exact exactly, that, his old homestead, fucking whatever. But now, you know, it's harder to believe these things, and I'm not. Okay, let me slow my role. I'm not saying you should believe any of his teachings whatsoever, or anybody else's for that matter, but the point is it laid. Well. Yeah, so did you with the fucking Dream Book Girl? Yeah, so you guys are to peas in a pod here. That's right. If I were smarter, I would have started a quote. Yeah, yeah, I think I agree with a hundred percent. No, I mean, I'm not even joking. I think those guys have something cooking. Yeah, they have. They use they use that different fucking brand oil, that's for sure, but they definitely got something cooking over there. But the thing is, if I say, if I went out into the streets in yell June, well, they're told me I need to find this film. Yeah, I'd be locked up, fucking lock me up and throw away the key. So I need to know what this dream really means, because I'm not a prophet. Profits don't exist. Well, I think the thing that's strange, right, you would think that that dream would be very literal, like I had this dream, so it must mean that either, yeah, this movie exists, or I should write this movie or but whatever. But in those dream books nothing is literal. It'll be like, Oh, you dreamt that your teeth were falling out, which means you're going to come into some money, you know. Or if you dream of a fucking spider, it's good luck and you're gonna get laid, but if it bites you, then it means your father's going to ask you for money. You know, it's all like nothing makes sense, but that's what's fun about the books, I guess, kind of. But yeah, man, nobody, you can't fucking say that the same thing met, like things mean the same thing to everyone. You know, it's it's your dreams are very personal. In my opinion. I don't think there's any meaning to dreams. I just think that, you know, your mind is piecing together things that have been running through it and an interesting way and I don't know, dreams fascinate the fuck out of me, man, and I've I suffer from sleep paralysis sometime, which is sort of a waking dream, scary thing where you can't move and you're basically unconscious, but you see your room around you and I'll try to yell to carly, my girlfriend, and it'll come out like hum like I it's like takes all my strength to make any kind of noise and I'm just trying to get her to shake me and wake me up, and she knows now to do it, which is cool because I've we've been together long enough for she if she hears me making these little noises, she'll like wake me up and I'll be thank you so much, because it's terrifying. Dude, it feels like you're you're paralyzed and you have this weird feeling of dread and uh Huh. But Anyway, I'm getting off the wait, wait, wait yet for you get off this tangent. Yeah, how do you? How do you know it's a dream? I mean you're in the dream. Well, no, the thing is, it's your body's asleep, but you're seeing like I'm seeing my real room, like I know I can't turn my head, but I know Carly's next to me, or I know whatever the you know. It's it's like being in a coma. It's so fucked and you can't move and, like I said, it's this weird...

...feeling. Sometimes it's like you have this feeling of like, and it's not just dread, like I can't move. Sometimes you have like a feeling. It's like a nightmare almost where your mind does start to kind of fade into like just dream concepts, where you'll think somebody might be in the house, like there's a like sometimes I'll get scared if it's I'll be like, I haven't been scared of the dark since I was a little kid. But when I'm in sleep paralysis, I'm thinking, Oh shit, it's dark, it's scary, like it's weird, man. It's like I'm nightmare, but I am aware that I'm in the bed, I know. You know what day it is, where I am, I know all of it, but I cannot fucking move and I'm like yeah, screaming with all my might and it's coming out like a whimper. But that is not butter, Scotch and Basil in Ay. That is definitely not how wow is. That sucks. Yeah, Dude, look it up. Sleep paralysis. The Shit Sucks. A lot of people put more of a spiritual or supernatural spin on what's happening. Like a lot of people say, Oh, it happens and I and I see these beings at the foot of my bed and you know, it's one of these things where multiple people are like like the alien abductions, where while you people say that and they have similar stories, like there was this man with a black sil wood but Bubba blow and and to me, I have like a feeling of dread and I'll have it feels like a nightmare, but I've never seen like people there and I don't know like people. Like I said, they put some kind of supernaturally, it's a I believe one's putting you in that state or something, you know, like paralyzing you, and I think it was aliens fiddling with your bum. Really, Dude, I wish, if I will, I wish. He says I hear good things about aliens. You know, I hear they're not a I've heard good things about the alien, anal probe. They mean, I'm they tell him rep yeah, man, but uh, I hear they're gentle with the probe and Oh, they they ease it in. Oh well, guess what I'm about to ease into. What's up? Some partner plugs for this selling out show, segway? Yeah, baby, I'm still love that. Oh yeah, right, we went from a look atle but alien butt plugs to, you know, our partners are. Yeah, we just made that whole smooth transition into a very bumping ride. Yeah, Hey, it all up anyway. I want to thank Alpine hempcom. If you enjoy CBD like me and Nate Do, there is no better place to visit than Alpine hamp they've got it all. They've got capsules and gummies and tinctures and juices and oils, Roll Ons, you name it, they've got it. coffees and teas, even pet products. Check them out at Alpine hampcom. Great prices over there. Northland vaporcom. Now, Northland Vapor actually has three retail locations. You can find them in sell, Fargo, North Dakota, more head, am Bumidgee, Minnesota. But with everything going on right now, it's not the easiest thing just to stroll into the store. But don't worry, we still get you covered. You can visit them again at Northland vaporcom for all of your vaping supplies, and they still ship to all fifty states. Now, by visiting both sites, you make some orders. Hope you do. Use cupon code selling out nineteen, and you can save nineteen percent off your order. Cool stuff. DIG It, go check it out. And last but not least, I want to thank spunk lube. I always say their name with some flare because I just love them. I use it all the time. I can't get enough of it. Spunk Lube is an award winning lubricant use by professionals in the adult film industry. But why let them have all the fun? Now bring it directly to your home. Go to spunk loubecom. They will ship it to your door discreetly. Spice up your love life with spunk. You know, nate, I was thinking. Imagine you were having an extra marital affair at your office. The girl is probably a psychopath. You've gotten you got in over your head. You know what I mean. It's happened to everybody. I don't blame you, it has. You know, Shit goes down any better be ready. But think all this. You're stressing out over it and then all of a sudden the lockdown hits coronavirus and they say you've got a work from home. Okay, yeah, imagine the sense of relief you have at that point in time that you don't need to go into work, you don't need to see this woman. And you also possibly thinking, oh well, this type of part is going to be good. Maybe she'll get over it. My wife will never bust me because she's going to move on with the life. She's gonna find something to fill that...

...hole, to fill that need, and it won't be me. Yeah, man, you've been filling her hole too long. She she a look crazy. She like the way you filled that whole. She's sure as hell did. But I mean, this scenario sounds stupid, right. I mean, on the certain happens, and it's probably happening right now. It could be, but this is also something that will be a good fit for a Sitcom. Yeah, and the thing about that is it's only a matter of time, you see. But we have movies and TV shows based around lockdowns, around coronavirus or people's story or what happened or how the government dealt with this whatever. This is all going to is funny because we're starting for entertainment during coronavirus. Yeah, in the future some of our entertainment will be based around the coronavirus. Oh, absolutely, the world is different, like things have changed in the you definitely will see pop culture will reflect that. Art Imitates Life, so you see that stuff. You know, as culture changes, so does the entertainment, because otherwise it doesn't seem realistic. It already seems weird sometimes when I'm watching TV and I see people like hugging that haven't seen each other in a while, or a crowded scene, you know what I mean. It's already like making it having an impact on me, is what I'll say. You know, when I see it a show, I'm like, Oh, I remember that Shit, you know, I remember being able to hug somebody and not fucking wear a mask. Like Massachusetts. Now it's the masks are mandatory, as they shouldn't be. Absolutely, I think. To be honest, my state is actually pretty I don't know on the level. I think our governor is doing okay. I mean he he's he's actually technically a Republican, but Charlie Baker and Mesters is not a bad governor. But anyway, it's yeah, the world is definitely different and I agree we're going to start seeing that, and I'm so glad that you're calm and cool and collected during all this, because it is frustrating. Like you said, you saw somebody hugging on TV and you know, I miss hugging, even though I don't know who you really want to hug a perfect stranger possibly. Hey, man, you know, I was kind of Hey, yeah, you are kind of a Hogga, this is true, but I mean, yes, life is different, life is changed, but yet we have people wearing bazookas going into subways ordering sandwich is, demanding their liberty, their laughs. They're freedom man. And talk about we had people outside of a courthouse or a State House protesting the fact that Jim's were closed for the lockdown for covid nineteen. Yet they were outside doing pushups and squats. Yeah, I tell you what, guns at the state houses and all that Shit. You can you imagine, Bro, if a ton of black people like got to gather and and protested by bringing fire arms into the State House? I think things might be a little different in Oh yeah, white privilege, that's for damn sure. And you know, as a matter of fact, if you follow us on twitter at selling out show, which is also our handle on instagram as well, I didn't mention this earlier, but if you want to reach out to with that be fantastic. But yeah, I've been tweeting about this case here in Texas where there is this woman who owns a salon. Now the woman who owns the salon. Right, she defied the lockdown orders in Dallas County and she reopened her salon with armed gun men outside. Sh we also supplied the gunmen, like she know, people know they were outside. I cannot say for a fact that she supplied them. I believe they were just more of those fucking clunk head supporters. Oh Yeah, she has a right to be open. Let's go make sure she don't call it our doors. Wow. Yeah, so she's open. So of course she gets a citation from the Dallas County judge saying, Hey, you got to shut them fucking doors, lady, or you going to face a fine, what have you. Well, next thing you know, she refuses to close the doors. They haven't one of their fucking rallies freedom constitutional year, you know, infringing my rights by telling me how to wear a fucking mass because it's a pandemic. Rallies. She goes up on stage rips up the citation to a round of applause. Good, but you know what, you always got to pay the Piper, don't you? Ye, so she finally gets her ass hauled into court in front of the judge, where she is very argumentative, along with her lawyer who seems like he's just nothing more than a giant Cock Knob, angering the judge, and she gets sentenced to seven days in prison and a seven thousand dollar fine. Jesus, Yes, thank you, through the Book Out Her Huh Oh, that book. I mean she's only been defying orders for God knows how long. Well, guess what happens after that? The governor of the State says this punishment is excessive. Oh my God, the Lieutenant Governor Who's received some notoriety recently is name is Dan Patrick,...

...not to be confused with the sports talk show host, but this guy's just a fucking, I don't know, evil skeleton roaming the earth. Oh, he's a fucking piece of work, this guy. He well, he got famous recently, or I mentioned the notoriety rather right, because he was the one saying that senior should be willing to die for the economy. So orse, that fucking spread like wildfire. But he offered to pay her fine. They say she is she is a mom, she needs to make her money, right, I mean, anybody sympathetic to that? Well, guess what? It turns out that she received eighteen thousand dollar PPE loan from the government while she was crying poverty. Okay, this, this woman is not poor, mind you at all. She is an affluent white woman. Yeah, that also charges her stylists to lease the chair hairs. So while she's saying, well, I got to my employees need to work, I didn't make sure they work or otherwise they going to fucking stuff. They are paying her for the right to work out of her upscale salon. So they're not even technically her employees. They're like private barbers or hairdressers. Stylis renting space from her. That's she's like the landlady. She is the landlady will and if she got freed from jail right quick she did not serve her full sentence. I want to say she only served maybe a day or two or she could not handle those seven fuck man. That's all day. Well, listen for anyone. This is. This is back to that whole white privilege thing we're talking about, because if you could imagine a woman of color opened up her salon and all this happen, I don't think she would have been freed and the local officials in the government would be paying her fines. And even Senator Ted Cruise showed up and Yo, yeah, this fucking spineless piece of shit showed up in her salon for a photo op, celebrating freedom by getting himself a fucking hair cut, and I'm sure it was also very, very expensive. But anyway, yeah, this whole thing has been nothing but infuriating to me, beyond belief, because I just listen, man, why we putting ourselves above the greater good? Why are we doing this? I don't understand why it's so fucking important. You know I mean, listen, I understand. Businesses need to be able to small businesses need to be open or they don't make any fucking come. And I understand too as well. Some of these stimulus payments don't always cut the mustard. This sucks, but it's one thing to disagree with something, it's another thing to just disobey orders. Yeah, man, to the point where, again, you are making a public display of yourself, trying to make yourself into a new story. Yes, can. What are you going to say? I was due. The thing is, they're doing that, but they're calling it standing up for their rights, like they're disobeying orders and putting people at risk, but they're calling it like it's a cause they're standing up for. You know what I mean? It's like if someone else were breaking the rules, for whatever reason they had, the same woman would probably call them a criminal, but she can do it because she's standing up for her rights. You know what I mean? It's just, yeah, again it's that privilege, man, and things are different, like it's and you're right in the hotbed, man. Texas is like, yeah, you got Ted crews, you got that, Patrick, Dan, Patrick, whatever. It's Greg Abbott all about, man, he's another yeah, and this woman, by the way, just so everybody can fucking loathe her to an equal extent that I do, her name is Shelly Luther. Shelly Luther. Yeah, so you don't want to Google Shelley Luthor. Of course she's blond. That has to be part of the equation, right. That's another reason why she's forgiven what she's done, because she's blond. She's gonna have a show on Fox pretty soon. Fucks news. Oh yeah, her and and what's her name, Judge Pierro Will Appear Together, just fucking stumble and fumble, Tommy Laren, like all those people. Oh, jee's low wise, buddy. I mean it's just it's in rage. And you know, I think we should. We should be pumping the brakes. This is obvious. You know, at least another month or so, let lest the numbers come in, because everybody says we're flattening the curve, but I haven't been tested. Have you been tested? Saying we need the tests before we can start completely opening up. That's just it's just a simple fact, man. How are you going to do? You know that you need that? Yeah, see, but no, according to the government, oh no, things are we're leveling out, we're ready. We are ready now going out. We're Morri trump is calling US warriors because we're, you know, though, you're willing to fight and risk it all and, yeah, and fight the battle to get him reelected. Basically, he's just like save my economy, get back to work quick. That was the one thing I had, that I the feather in my cap, the only thing I could claim to get re elected. Yeah, now it's gone, you know right, it's just fuck man, Yep, back up the bodies, stack them up. Fucking Yep. We're got to get that economy fucking rocking...

...and rolling again. At Joe Biden Slabe, Joe Biden's going to take my ch out. God, Dude, trump, trump had to make sure more people died in his presidency because he missed the Vietnam War. You know, he had the boats are going to go the Vietnam War. So now he's got to see all that bloodshed. It he's just not seeing it firsthand. God. But listen, you know, if you are one of those people out there who thinks that things need to be open right away, come on now, I mean seriously. You know why? Why? And you know what, if you have a great reason why, contact me, let me know. You can even send me an email, selling out show at GMAILCOM and explain your train of thought, your logic to me, because I would like to hear it because, like I mentioned you earlier, nate, seeing these pictures online of of the the Bazooka guy in subway. He's just a laughable, ridiculous, outrageous fucking thing that I cannot mentally understand. So if you if you get a good, you know, viewpoint, talk to me. I want to hear I really do. Dust up your lps. It's time for nate. No, no, I know have talked a lot about my interest as a young teenager and industrial bands. Like nine inch nails, skinny puppy and ministry. Don't worry, I'm not going to do another segment on all that. I'm just bringing it up to illustrate my early interest in bands with an electronic element to them. I mean the first bands I really got into were guitar based bands like Nirvana and even megadeath. As a kid, I enjoyed some more synth poppy stuff like s band information society, and I remember liking a few singles from topeesch mode back then. But when I got to the age where I wanted to buy records, the stuff that got me excited was all guitar based Alternative Rock and some metal like the aforementioned megadeth and Pantera. When I got my first CD player at like age eleven, the first CDs I picked up were Nirvana's never mind Queens Reich's empire and faith no more's the real thing faith the more we're a pretty keyboard centric band. But not long after I remember picking up pretty hate machine by nine inch nails, and that opened me up to the world of electronic music, as I imagine was the case for a lot of music lovers back then. Trent resner kind of bridged the gap between Alternative Rock and industrial music, especially with his second release, the broken EP, which was a bit heavier and more guitar oriented than pretty hate machine. Songs like wish and happiness and slavery were sure to pull in fans of heavier music when they may not have otherwise given an electronic producer a chance. Without going into yet another segment on nine inch nails or industrial music, I'll just reiterate their importance in turning a lot of us onto a whole different side of the musical spectrum. Around this time in the early S, as I was getting deep into like skinny puppy frontline assembly, I found myself at the Lullapalooza Festival, specifically in nineteen ninety three. Every year, along with a lineup of exciting alternative rock bands, there would always be an industrial band on each bill. The first year, in nine ninety one, it was nine inch nails, ninety two was ministry, and this show in ninety three featured a performance by Belgian Electronic Veterans Front to forty two. I was impressed enough by their performance to pick up a few albums. By that time they had several, having started in the early S. front to two bridged yet another gap from that industrial rock area to more of a techno sound. There weren't guitars and it was more danceable, yet still dark and underground enough to peek my interest. A good friend of mine who also happened to be at that Lallapalooza show was Andrew Jones, a guy who I ended up playing in bands with later in sadly is no longer with us, but at the time we were just a couple young teenagers and Andy had a really broad taste in music, so I was introduced to a lot of different stuff through him. We were at that age where everything was new and exciting anyway, and we both found that marijuana and eventually psychedelics like LSD and mushrooms paired especially well with electronic music. I remember in one thousand nine hundred and...

...ninety five, a few of US friends were hanging out and Andy had picked up a sheet of acid. The four or five of US sat mesmerized as Andy played this new album from an artist called APHEX twin. Up till this point I'd only heard of a FEX twin from a couple tracks he did on a nine inch nail's remix album, and maybe I'd read a handful of things about him and more obscure music magazines where more popular acts would cite affects as an influence. This was the pre Internet era when you couldn't just check out random bands at will, but I had still read enough to be intrigued by this mysterious pseudo hermit character from rural England who would reportedly make his own musical equipment from parts of computers, synthesizers, keyboards etc. With such one of a kind instruments, AFEX twin, whose real name is Richard James, produces understandably unique music. Now, nowadays you can find sounds of all kinds online and just adam to your instruments sound bank, but back in the early s, the sounds Richard James was creating we're so cool and different than really anything else out there. In another episode I mentioned how the s were a decade of progress and open musical minds. All the alternative music, grunge, industrial great innovations in hiphop. But just as the media had to pigeon hole and create a title for what became grunge, so too did they take the burgeoning scenes of techno, jungle, house, trance, all the rave ready dance music, and lump it together with a fix twin and all the subsequent acts he inspired, like all tecker, square, pusher, Plaid Wagon Christ, to name just a few, and they called the whole lot of them Electronica. Another genre named that kind of makes me gag, but not too badly. I mean it is all electronic, after all. The genre title that really bugged me was what they specifically called those previously named AFEX disciples, a tecker in the bunch. They called that style of electronic music that wasn't quite ambient, was quite industrial and wasn't typical dance music, intelligent dance music or IDM. Talk about pretentious. Occasionally it was referred to as electronic listening music, or ELM, and that was less bad. Nowadays there are a million acts like this, a lot of the ELECTRONICA artists in general. Back then, we're almost exclusively instrumental, which kept a lot of them from commercial success, although eventually a few acts started getting exposure. These were definitely on the dance her side of Electronica. Bands like the crystal method, underworld and, of course, the prodigy they all got singles high on the charts with MTV exposure. It should be noted that most of these acts, their biggest singles at least, did feature vocals. Some things never change, I guess. Anyway, I really got sucked into all this electronic music. A lot of my friends were into it and we did the rave thing. We saw some of these acts live. The shows are hit or miss as far as a visual experience goes, depending on budget or, I guess, just depending on the desire of the performing musician and electronic acts live show can range from a psychedelic extravaganza of screens showing fractal patterns and other strange visuals, lights and even dancers, sometimes performing in crazy costumes, all the way down to just the dude standing at a laptop moving his finger around the mouse pad thing. I've seen a ton of good ones and quite a few boring ones, but usually that music is helped out a lot by a good sound system, so it's almost always cool in that regard. But anyway, yeah, now there are so many electronica acts. The genre is so huge that it's like any other like rock, like hip hop. There are thousands of great and awful generic artists. So there's a lot to check out. At least. I still dig the old ones I mentioned earlier because I'm an old Fogi and they are all still putting shit out and it's still quality stuff. They're kind of like...

...the rolling stones now, just maybe the instruments and the drugs in their back stories are different. I guess I don't know, but yeah, dude, I mean a lot of these bands had interesting shows. I just quickly wanted to mention. I didn't write it down, but when I did go see a FEX twin live, he brought out a couch and laid down on the couch with his laptop and just kind of lounge there and played his whole set. and to keep things interesting he'd have like, at one point a guy came out in overalls and a straw hat, like some cartoonish hill billy character, and he took off the straw hat and shaved his own head. So, Ye, make a show. And then afterwards he had a couple of these like giant teddy bears. There were people in these giant plush Teddy Bear costumes that had pictures of the performer, a fix twins face stapled to the front of the it was just like a photo of his face enlarged. It just looked like dancing bears with his face. And okay, yeah, he kept things interesting, but he also points out, look, I'm just on a fucking laptop. This is a farce. You know, I can just do this. But nowadays, I guess his shows are a lot more intense. He's got the whole screens and crazy visuals and all that, but tracked an advertising is funny. Yeah, but you know, I mean because he's Electronica axe. Now I see them and how people are clamoring to buy these tickets and I'm like, DA, it's a dude on the laptop. Come on now, you know, and I'm not saying I had like Van Halen or anything, or kiss or something, but still you go, you're going to see a rock spectacle. You know, these guys playing live fireworks, pyrotechnics, you know, and now you just got what's his name? Steve Ioke? Oh my God, yeah, he's one. Yeah, there's a gaping. He's jumping up and down and it's like yeah, you jumping up and down a BOA laptop. I really want to pay seventy five dollars and fucking spend an hour in a park to watch that. I agreement. You know what, I've found? A lot of these electronic artists are helped by one thing, and I'll and it can make your live show and I'll explain it like this. The band to petch mode very, you know, they're all synthesizers. You listen to their music, it's I mean they added a guitar here there, but it's basically they're a synth band and when they used to perform back in the day they would have just a drum machine or a sample drum, whatever it was. It was, you know. And so it's just a couple of guys that synthesizers and a singer. What changed everything, and this does it for every electronic band, I'm telling you, a live drummer. And even if they're playing electronic drums, just having someone sitting there and slamming on these live drums and adding little fills here there, it makes the show feel so much more and I and you can just have it to synthesizers or even one synthesizer, if you have a live drummer, something about that makes you feel like you're out a live show more than anything. I don't know what it is, but the pet mode added a live drummer years ago and it some say it messes with the tone. Their sound is usually very synthetic and electronic and it kind of makes it more rocky. But it definitely makes the show more intense. I'll say that. So guess. Yes, I was going to say the intensity is there. Yeah, when you have someone banging away. Yeah, man, it's primal. That's the shit. Yeah, great, that's a great way to put it. Yet there you go, Bing Bang, boom. So anyway. But yeah, electronic music, man, can have a lot of life. I'm sad to say, like one of the earliest bands to really make sort of poppy, pretty, like interesting digestible melodies, like pop music, out of synthesizers back in the day, was Germany's craft work, and this band, you know, they started it all and on every electronic artist pretty much cites them as the huge influence. And one of the founding members just died the other day. So I'm sad to say. His name was Florian Schneider. Apparently hadn't played with the band in several years anyway. He had kind of retired and some of the other founding members still played, but yeah, he passed away and it's sad. And so I am the upper rator with my pocket calculator. There was a song that by craft work that our friend Andrew Jones, who I mentioned on that had the sheet of acid in my piece I mentioned, and introduced me to a fixed win. He used to always sing that craftwork song because he thought it was hilarious. I am the operator with my pocket calculator. Anyway. It's they're fun. They have this robotic image craft work and they started at all kind of so well, it's going to be fun, right. I mean when you think a FEX twin, there was some AFEX twin material that I enjoyed. Sure, but there has to be...

...a little hook in there. It's like the I wish the milkman would deliver my milk. Yeah, yeah, I did put vocals, usually sampled and tweaked so they sounded all weird. But yeah, yeah, that Song I wish the Moveman. It's called Milkman. But yeah, it's a strange song. But Hey, you know what, maybe, like you said in your piece, a lot of vocals, along with the drums of course, and live show. But the vocals to an actual track helps the helps the song out. Yeah, helps it commercially especially. But I personally love electronic or instrumental music rather and have no problem like a large percentage of the music that I love best, I prefer has no vocals at all, and I tend to treat vocals like they're another instrument. I mean, I understand their appeal and I understand people like a hook and something they can sing and and you can add a whole meaning to a song just through lyrics. I understand that. But to me sometimes, if you don't even hear what the vocals are at just acts as another melody or another instrument, and so I respect them, but I don't think they're necessary. As my point, and I know you're a vocalist, Dave Euro simvocals like it. I mean no disrespects, I'm not saying you're not necessary. I'm saying that vocalist add a lot to music, but I don't think a someone without vocals is necessarily, you know, lacking any value or lesser than you know. So, HMM, but the general public you're not. You know, it's hard to get an instrumental song on the chart. said, it's true, it happens, but it's not. You know, it's not common. Well, you know, you speaking to kraft work and I get a nickel for every time I bring up David Bowie on our show. If you think his album low. Yes, yeah, there you go there is heavily inspired by the electronic scene and later in his career, of course, in the S and early it was also very, very visible. So yes, cool, peace, nate. Thank you for that. Thank you. Hey. You know, before I let our listeners go, I do want to bring up some sad news on the show today. So I'm not pleased about bring it up. Is Very unfortunate, but there is another podcast out there called the cosmic treadmill and one of their host Reggie Hemingway, unfortunately passed away. He was a his heat he actually. Yeah, he guessed it on one of our shows, the holiday treason episode. So I just want to send my thoughts to his family and to his wife and guy had a voice made for broadcasting and as a life lost way too soon. So if you have never heard of that show and you're interested in comics, and I mean these guys were really, really heavy on their research. They did a couple shows the cosmic treadmill and weird comics history. He and his partner Chris, can be found at Chris and Reggiecom but it is sad news indeed, and I don't like saying it, but he will, he will be missed. Friend of the show in Yep, gone too soon. Yep. Seems like that's a common narrative in our lives, not just friend of the show, but is our friends in general, of course. So you know, it sucks, man. So yeah, but hey, you know what, we're still here. You're still here. I appreciate the ever living crap out of all of you virtual hugs. I want to reach through your earphones or however you're listening to this show and squeeze you. Can you feel that? Am I? Fuck I'm talking about? Yeah, you're grabbing me. I am I. Yeah, you thought it was the audience, but that was that was that was kind of Nice, but it was definitely inappropriate. NOPE, those aliens fiddling with your butt again. That's what that is, millions, but hey, that does it for this episode. I am Dave. That is nate, and this has been the selling out show s.

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