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Episode 52 · 1 year ago

Ep.#52 Training Wheels

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

On this episode we be talkin' about bicycles! Well, actually how Dave has failed as a father in teaching his son how to  ride one. Gene Wilder comes to us in a dream with a strange request, extramarital affairs with a coronavirus clause, a small rant about our lockdown rights and to wrap things up, Nate's Notes takes a look at electronica music and the art of Aphex Twin.  

 

 

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What are you doing? Good,bad? been a good badge. I cous Jane, Bad, get fucked. Welcome to those selling out show. You're feels nimble. What it doesis reaches into a brain chemically and no, cat your happiest memory chemically and thenknocks on that emotion and releases it chemically, and then it keeps yourhappy, happy. Hello, hello, hello, and thank you for tuningin to the selling out show, where we script life at our leisure foryour listening pleasure. I am one of your host David shows, and bymy side is my partnering crime, Nate Gore Zinski. Nate, how theHeck Are you? Pretty good, man, thinks. Gotten a little lonelier atthe homestead. We've been we've been splitting time with Carly's son, withhis father, and it used to be like every two days you go backand forth, but with the virus and the quarantine he's it's been every twoweeks. So you get yeah, you get a little more attached and hegets a little more attached, so it's harder to this is separates those alittle little sad yesterday for him and and for me too, I'm not goingto lie, but it's Nice Snow you have two weeks to just kind ofjust grown up time. Yeah, just, and you know what? You getthose two other weeks with the kid to bond. Yeah, and thisis a good thing. Bonding is wonderful, sure, man. It's an importantpart of our structure of living, of how we're raised. You know, I agree. Yeah, and I bring all this up because my sonhas recently learned how to ride a bike. Dude, of no thanks to mewhatsoever. It should have been a better bonding experience for him, butI am a terrible father. How you mean? I have, I havea scarred psyche when it comes to learning how to ride a bike, becausemy father, when I was a young man, was very pushy, youknow. He was insistent that I learned how to ride, to the pointthat when I made a mistake where I fell, he wasn't the most gentleabout it. You know what I mean. So, in turn, I canspecifically recall that was the first time I ever swore at the man,Whoa very tender young age. I fuck fist and I threw the bike andhe just left me in that pocket lot and said you can run your asshome. Mr Wow, wow, Yep, and guess what? What's it?I rode my ass home. Really, yes, I did. I figuredout how to ride the bike and I guess that was a true learninglesson. But still, you know, the thing is, I don't wantto be that same guy, know, with my kid. I don't wantto be like that. So I don't know, maybe I'm giving him toomuch time to learn, too much cushion, maybe being too gentle at the sametime, biting my lip and frustration because I'm getting so pissed off.But just right, just fucking go, get your balance and move. Butyou know what, that little bugger figured it out on his own and hewent man. But I gotta say this. Yeah, it made me think alot about, well, I guess, not just bikes in general, buta lot of things. Is, if we have a way to dosomething, Huh, why are we making it more complicated on ourselves? Nowwith the training wheels on a bike? Right, you got four wheels,anybody can ride the damn bike. So why do we have bikes with twowheels? What's the point of that? Why can't we have training wheels onthe bike all the time? Yeah, just dude, put put bumpers onthe sides of the bowling lanes. fucking hey, exactly, why are wemaking life that fucking difficult? I don't get it. Maybe, maybe it'sbecause I'm sensitive and I didn't want to see him fail, you know.So I'm like well, this, keep going with the training wheels. It'sfine, you know, everybody has to do it. Don't worry their son, you know. The same time, I why? Why the fuck arewe doing that? I don't know, man, I don't know. Idid what you're saying. I'm just I don't know. It's I guess theydo kind of make. They make tricycles, right, that's a that's similar.Yeah, but it's not socially acceptable. Yeah, ride around on a tricycle, right, you're supposed to learn how to ride a bike. So, you know, why not just, yeah, keep the training wheels,like, I don't understand. You know, I don't get it. Why wegot to take them off. Who you know? I could probably lookit up right now online. I don't know who invented the bike. Idon't know who's concept is what. Actually, who invented the training wheel? Yeah, that, yeah, more importantly that. Yes, thank you.Be More important to him. I would give him a hearty high five andto the inventor of the bike, big...

...fucking punch to the SCHNOBS. Buthow about you, nate? You can eat memories about learning how to ridea bike. There was any well experience for you or any such thing?It's funny, man. My brother and I spent a lot of time onbikes. I have so many memories of bikes, man. That is justsuch a big part of my childhood and and so it is important for kidsto learn. I know that it's it's it's a part of childhood, man, and we had a long driveway, which helped to learn. But wedidn't, like live in one of those neighborhoods. I got called to sackwhere you can, you know, just, I don't know, prayer when thecircles maybe or whatever, without traffic flying by. Exactly. We livedon this week, this main road that's got cars flying. They go forty, I mean the speed limit, I think is they it. It's morethan just like a thirty. It's definitely they fly. As my point,well, you learn how to use your brakes. That's probably lesson number one. Get to the end of the driveway and break yeah, that's true.But we would go on these long rides men, we we wrote around.It was like stand by me or something. You really he's long treks where youexploring and shit. But my brother was the type that could. He'dride his bike and he could stand up on the frame and like have hishands out like Jesus on the cross almost and be riding. The bike.Would be riding, it would be going. He would, you know, getsome momentum and he jump up on the thing, stand up and showoff to all this shit. He M X Messiah. Yeah, it waspretty dope. But but I will say there was this summer where my friendDominic and I kind of ran away. It was this whatever, was ascenario where his family wanted to move and he didn't want to move. Sohe was like kind of like, well, if I run away then they can'tmake me move. So and I went along with him like some idiot. We were, you know, young, and yeah, sure, we wetook the there were two bikes at my house. It was mine andmy brother, and my brothers at the age where he wasn't riding his bikeanymore. So it wasn't like we're stealing his bike and like you know,he would miss it. It was it had been sitting there for a fewyears at that point. And but the point of all this is that whenour folks got us, when they finally the the way the cops brought usin was that they said, oh, we stole a bike. So theywere able to kind of contain us. They were able to grab us,and I mean we were young. They probably could have. The law probablystated that we were our parents were allowed to just grab us and bring ushome. But right, but they but they added kind of whatever. Theyadded a few charges because we also ended up with a charge of fireworks becausewe had some like black cat fireworks in our pockets. And but, dude, that was that was a weird summer. Will learn yet. Well, wait, hold on for a second. Your folks right. They called thecops because they were concerned that you ran away. Well, they they knewwhat the deal. They knew what was going on, that the Dominic's familywas mooting. Like it was made clear very quickly why we were running.So it wasn't like they were just, like my kids, gone to helpus. They were they found out where we were sleeping. We are actuallysleeping outside that night we slept on this, you know, kind of under somepower lines, like on some rocks, and it was it was interesting.It was a nice summer, so we spent nights outside for it waslike a few, like a week, I think, basically that we arealways. We spent one night in a friend's attic and actually that was weslept during the day because we had been up all night and he said,well, you can sleep a couple hours in my attic, but it waslike an oven up there, so it was like sleeping it was so hot. And I may, I just want to know where the whole like prosecutethem to the full extent of the law, came and I guess I haven't gottenthat. It's told the bike. You Got Fireworks. You're looking atfive to ten for this. Yeah, Dude, we were. We werehard and criminals. Yeah, you're just trying to support your buddy who's sadhe's got to move away. Yeah, but we were, I mean wewere young, we were luckily it wasn't like during a school year, butthis was summer. Like I said, we would be out all night andmy brother had played detective kind of and found out from some of my friendswho I was in contact with the where I was staying, like my friendswere added me out. Basically, I had friends that were I was like, you know, don't only foom. We were yeah, sure, andthen as soon as my brother because my brother was friends with them too.So as soon as my brother calls, he's like where the fuck is heand where are they? And they just said Ohays, sleeping upon the powerlad you can't say no to the BMX Messiah. You seen this guy dosome of his finest work. Yeah, it's no way you're telling him no. He will know that you're lying. That impossible. Yeah, so thenyou get it busted. Yeah, the COPS. We woke up. Thepoint, just to wrap this up. The point is we we were sleepingon these power land rocks pretty far away...

...from a road, and I wokeup to the sound of footsteps and then I heard someone's I just kind ofSaid Hey man, because it was I thought it was a hiker or something, and I hear good morning and I knew as soon as the way hesaid at the Timbre in his voice. I was was like that's a fuckingcop, and it was, and I ended up with some community service paintedsome stairs on a public park like beach thing, and and that's the restof his history. That had a small juvenile record and didn't get in troubleagain until I started doing time in my early s in that. You know, that's a whole other story. So that was the precursor there. Itwas being on the lamb, yeah, man, but bikes, bikes,to bring it all around, the bikes right, bikes. It's funny thatyou said the stand by me thing, because just the other day I rememberedhow me a group of my friends, and I'll make this into like alittle treasure map scenario to anybody if they ever want to look this up.And so if you're ever in Webster Massachusetts, mind you, these clues are goingto take some digging. These are not the actual coordinates, like I'mnot giving you longitude latitude. You have to do some digging here. Butif you go on the train tracks where store twenty four was in the oppositedirection of Oxford Massachusetts. Okay, I know this means nothing to anybody,but if he loves me, you see, you remember, you know. Thisis many, many, or go, strangers, either you go, ifyou if you follow that direction, you come to a bridge, andthis was the same time that the red hot chili peppers had that hit singleunder bridge. So we would joke we going under the bridge downtown and wedon't hang out there as they go clubhouse. But the reason, I think,more importantly, that I guess just came into my brain at all,was that we sa spray paint crazy stuff down there and one of the guyshe wrote Necro be, steal fecal Phelia. Who So, being in him?Is it, is it not? Should it should have been? Itshould have been like yeah, one of your death metal bands or something,and I was like, I wonder if that's still there, you know,all rusty and flaky, and that some day archeologist might find it and gowhat the fuck was the matter with these people, you know, like Banksymn, nobody knows who you are. I didn't do I did not write that, guys, you got here, you guys. I did not write that, but still it's out there. So if anybody wants to go hunt itdown, I just gave you the cool the grow neck, grow be stealfecal Felia. That's what it was. Yeah, so it's like you said, animals. Yeah, it like being don't ask, don't ask. Wewere kids. We're just like you with a fucking firecrack is in the bikes. I mean. Well, honestly, I think this is more nefarious because, if you think about it, even under a bridge we don't belong.And this is the kind of Shit you and your buddies think about. Yeah, someone's going to turn into Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah, at least, at leasthe didn't draw some blood under the bridge downtown. No, no,we did not, but hey, you know, training wheels. Huh?Amen, nate, you remember back in high school, there's always that oneguy who dated that girl who had the dream book, and she be atparties trying to interpret what, you know, your nightmare was about, and youlike, yeah, this crazy bitch, and he knew the guy was onlywither because he wanted a Banger, so he loved that was shit.I was. I was okay, so you were her. Yeah, acouple of them, actually, I was with a few of them. Yeah, you know, and they'd rattle on about, Oh, yeah, thisdream means that you fucking I don't know that you need to be free oryou miss this dead relative. Whatever you know. Let's go. Yeah,sure, honey, whatever you say. Bad Um. Anyway, I hada fucking weird ass dream the other night and I wish someone. Well,that's what I want. I wish I had that crazy ass chick from onethousand nine hundred and ninety six that you were hooking up with here right now, to help me out with it. Yeah, because in this dream,yeah, Jean Wilder, legendary already, the comedian. Yes, everybody knowshim, primarily, I believe, for being Willy Wonka or Gilda radner's husband, depends on your Pov. But he came to me in the dream andhe said, Dave, there's a movie out there. I need you tofind it. It's lost, but it needs to see the light of day. The World Needs this film is starring me and Richard Prior. Now,if you remember, they were always well, they had they had four movies together. Okay, they did for films. Yeah, some of them better thanothers. But I guess in the week it was it see no evilhere, no evil. Yeah, see no evil here, no evil.They were in a streak, silver streak, another you, yeah, and stircrazy, stair crazy. Yep. So he says to me, yougot to release this film, you got to do this for me. iscalled butter, Scotch and Basil. Okay, the name of the name of thefilm, please do the udly delicious...

...it does. Were like a loveand spoonful kind of song or something. Yes, peaches and herbs, orwhat was it wasn't even the band into sense and pepper mids something. Thereyou go. Whatever. Yeah, we yea love and spoonful. Wouldn't,I don't know, ask me. I don't know anymore. This thing,this dream, is messing me up, man. Yeah, but okay.So I wake up. I'm a little disturbed by this, thinking that theremight actually be a movie called Butter, Scotch and Basil out there. Ormaybe I should, I don't know, write about this, talk about this, do something about this in the real world, apply it to the realworld. To Jean. Too Bad, you can't hire gene wilder or RichardPerk is. They're both dead. They're both then. I can't dig intothis, I cannot find out the truth, but if I were to actually talkto someone about this and say, man, this might be real.I dreamed about it last night thinking I think I'm fucking batshit crazy. Yeah, you don't want to do right now, you do. Good. I'm going. Okay, at least you're honest. At least you're honest about the wholething. It's kind of like it's kind of like a cult, right. I just watched Waco on Netflix. Yeah, and it's okay. Well, it wasn't all that great. It was very sympathetic to the branch Davidians. Not Saying Yeah, I'm not saying it shouldn't have been, because Idon't really know what went down. You know, you can never trust thenews. But umly still, I said to my wife, who's watching itwith me, you know, I think Dave Koresh was like a hundred,fifty years too late, hmm. And she said, well, what doyou mean? I'm like well, if he, if he how this rhetoricand all this stuff earlier, he probably would have had organized religion by now. Yeah, they they probably would have given him his own like county outin like Utah. You know what I mean? Right, exact exactly,that, his old homestead, fucking whatever. But now, you know, it'sharder to believe these things, and I'm not. Okay, let meslow my role. I'm not saying you should believe any of his teachings whatsoever, or anybody else's for that matter, but the point is it laid.Well. Yeah, so did you with the fucking Dream Book Girl? Yeah, so you guys are to peas in a pod here. That's right.If I were smarter, I would have started a quote. Yeah, yeah, I think I agree with a hundred percent. No, I mean,I'm not even joking. I think those guys have something cooking. Yeah,they have. They use they use that different fucking brand oil, that's forsure, but they definitely got something cooking over there. But the thing is, if I say, if I went out into the streets in yell June, well, they're told me I need to find this film. Yeah,I'd be locked up, fucking lock me up and throw away the key.So I need to know what this dream really means, because I'm not aprophet. Profits don't exist. Well, I think the thing that's strange,right, you would think that that dream would be very literal, like Ihad this dream, so it must mean that either, yeah, this movieexists, or I should write this movie or but whatever. But in thosedream books nothing is literal. It'll be like, Oh, you dreamt thatyour teeth were falling out, which means you're going to come into some money, you know. Or if you dream of a fucking spider, it's goodluck and you're gonna get laid, but if it bites you, then itmeans your father's going to ask you for money. You know, it's alllike nothing makes sense, but that's what's fun about the books, I guess, kind of. But yeah, man, nobody, you can't fucking say thatthe same thing met, like things mean the same thing to everyone.You know, it's it's your dreams are very personal. In my opinion.I don't think there's any meaning to dreams. I just think that, you know, your mind is piecing together things that have been running through it andan interesting way and I don't know, dreams fascinate the fuck out of me, man, and I've I suffer from sleep paralysis sometime, which is sortof a waking dream, scary thing where you can't move and you're basically unconscious, but you see your room around you and I'll try to yell to carly, my girlfriend, and it'll come out like hum like I it's like takesall my strength to make any kind of noise and I'm just trying to gether to shake me and wake me up, and she knows now to do it, which is cool because I've we've been together long enough for she ifshe hears me making these little noises, she'll like wake me up and I'llbe thank you so much, because it's terrifying. Dude, it feels likeyou're you're paralyzed and you have this weird feeling of dread and uh Huh.But Anyway, I'm getting off the wait, wait, wait yet for you getoff this tangent. Yeah, how do you? How do you knowit's a dream? I mean you're in the dream. Well, no,the thing is, it's your body's asleep, but you're seeing like I'm seeing myreal room, like I know I can't turn my head, but Iknow Carly's next to me, or I know whatever the you know. It'sit's like being in a coma. It's so fucked and you can't move and, like I said, it's this weird...

...feeling. Sometimes it's like you havethis feeling of like, and it's not just dread, like I can't move. Sometimes you have like a feeling. It's like a nightmare almost where yourmind does start to kind of fade into like just dream concepts, where you'llthink somebody might be in the house, like there's a like sometimes I'll getscared if it's I'll be like, I haven't been scared of the dark sinceI was a little kid. But when I'm in sleep paralysis, I'm thinking, Oh shit, it's dark, it's scary, like it's weird, man. It's like I'm nightmare, but I am aware that I'm in the bed, I know. You know what day it is, where I am,I know all of it, but I cannot fucking move and I'm like yeah, screaming with all my might and it's coming out like a whimper. Butthat is not butter, Scotch and Basil in Ay. That is definitely nothow wow is. That sucks. Yeah, Dude, look it up. Sleepparalysis. The Shit Sucks. A lot of people put more of aspiritual or supernatural spin on what's happening. Like a lot of people say,Oh, it happens and I and I see these beings at the foot ofmy bed and you know, it's one of these things where multiple people arelike like the alien abductions, where while you people say that and they havesimilar stories, like there was this man with a black sil wood but Bubbablow and and to me, I have like a feeling of dread and I'llhave it feels like a nightmare, but I've never seen like people there andI don't know like people. Like I said, they put some kind ofsupernaturally, it's a I believe one's putting you in that state or something,you know, like paralyzing you, and I think it was aliens fiddling withyour bum. Really, Dude, I wish, if I will, Iwish. He says I hear good things about aliens. You know, Ihear they're not a I've heard good things about the alien, anal probe.They mean, I'm they tell him rep yeah, man, but uh,I hear they're gentle with the probe and Oh, they they ease it in. Oh well, guess what I'm about to ease into. What's up?Some partner plugs for this selling out show, segway? Yeah, baby, I'mstill love that. Oh yeah, right, we went from a lookatle but alien butt plugs to, you know, our partners are. Yeah, we just made that whole smooth transition into a very bumping ride. Yeah, Hey, it all up anyway. I want to thank Alpine hempcom.If you enjoy CBD like me and Nate Do, there is no better placeto visit than Alpine hamp they've got it all. They've got capsules and gummiesand tinctures and juices and oils, Roll Ons, you name it, they'vegot it. coffees and teas, even pet products. Check them out atAlpine hampcom. Great prices over there. Northland vaporcom. Now, Northland Vaporactually has three retail locations. You can find them in sell, Fargo,North Dakota, more head, am Bumidgee, Minnesota. But with everything going onright now, it's not the easiest thing just to stroll into the store. But don't worry, we still get you covered. You can visit themagain at Northland vaporcom for all of your vaping supplies, and they still shipto all fifty states. Now, by visiting both sites, you make someorders. Hope you do. Use cupon code selling out nineteen, and youcan save nineteen percent off your order. Cool stuff. DIG It, gocheck it out. And last but not least, I want to thank spunklube. I always say their name with some flare because I just love them. I use it all the time. I can't get enough of it.Spunk Lube is an award winning lubricant use by professionals in the adult film industry. But why let them have all the fun? Now bring it directly toyour home. Go to spunk loubecom. They will ship it to your doordiscreetly. Spice up your love life with spunk. You know, nate,I was thinking. Imagine you were having an extra marital affair at your office. The girl is probably a psychopath. You've gotten you got in over yourhead. You know what I mean. It's happened to everybody. I don'tblame you, it has. You know, Shit goes down any better be ready. But think all this. You're stressing out over it and then allof a sudden the lockdown hits coronavirus and they say you've got a work fromhome. Okay, yeah, imagine the sense of relief you have at thatpoint in time that you don't need to go into work, you don't needto see this woman. And you also possibly thinking, oh well, thistype of part is going to be good. Maybe she'll get over it. Mywife will never bust me because she's going to move on with the life. She's gonna find something to fill that...

...hole, to fill that need,and it won't be me. Yeah, man, you've been filling her holetoo long. She she a look crazy. She like the way you filled thatwhole. She's sure as hell did. But I mean, this scenario soundsstupid, right. I mean, on the certain happens, and it'sprobably happening right now. It could be, but this is also something that willbe a good fit for a Sitcom. Yeah, and the thing about thatis it's only a matter of time, you see. But we have moviesand TV shows based around lockdowns, around coronavirus or people's story or whathappened or how the government dealt with this whatever. This is all going tois funny because we're starting for entertainment during coronavirus. Yeah, in the futuresome of our entertainment will be based around the coronavirus. Oh, absolutely,the world is different, like things have changed in the you definitely will seepop culture will reflect that. Art Imitates Life, so you see that stuff. You know, as culture changes, so does the entertainment, because otherwiseit doesn't seem realistic. It already seems weird sometimes when I'm watching TV andI see people like hugging that haven't seen each other in a while, ora crowded scene, you know what I mean. It's already like making ithaving an impact on me, is what I'll say. You know, whenI see it a show, I'm like, Oh, I remember that Shit,you know, I remember being able to hug somebody and not fucking weara mask. Like Massachusetts. Now it's the masks are mandatory, as theyshouldn't be. Absolutely, I think. To be honest, my state isactually pretty I don't know on the level. I think our governor is doing okay. I mean he he's he's actually technically a Republican, but Charlie Bakerand Mesters is not a bad governor. But anyway, it's yeah, theworld is definitely different and I agree we're going to start seeing that, andI'm so glad that you're calm and cool and collected during all this, becauseit is frustrating. Like you said, you saw somebody hugging on TV andyou know, I miss hugging, even though I don't know who you reallywant to hug a perfect stranger possibly. Hey, man, you know,I was kind of Hey, yeah, you are kind of a Hogga,this is true, but I mean, yes, life is different, lifeis changed, but yet we have people wearing bazookas going into subways ordering sandwichis, demanding their liberty, their laughs. They're freedom man. And talk aboutwe had people outside of a courthouse or a State House protesting the factthat Jim's were closed for the lockdown for covid nineteen. Yet they were outsidedoing pushups and squats. Yeah, I tell you what, guns at thestate houses and all that Shit. You can you imagine, Bro, ifa ton of black people like got to gather and and protested by bringing firearms into the State House? I think things might be a little different inOh yeah, white privilege, that's for damn sure. And you know,as a matter of fact, if you follow us on twitter at selling outshow, which is also our handle on instagram as well, I didn't mentionthis earlier, but if you want to reach out to with that be fantastic. But yeah, I've been tweeting about this case here in Texas where thereis this woman who owns a salon. Now the woman who owns the salon. Right, she defied the lockdown orders in Dallas County and she reopened hersalon with armed gun men outside. Sh we also supplied the gunmen, likeshe know, people know they were outside. I cannot say for a fact thatshe supplied them. I believe they were just more of those fucking clunkhead supporters. Oh Yeah, she has a right to be open. Let'sgo make sure she don't call it our doors. Wow. Yeah, soshe's open. So of course she gets a citation from the Dallas County judgesaying, Hey, you got to shut them fucking doors, lady, oryou going to face a fine, what have you. Well, next thingyou know, she refuses to close the doors. They haven't one of theirfucking rallies freedom constitutional year, you know, infringing my rights by telling me howto wear a fucking mass because it's a pandemic. Rallies. She goesup on stage rips up the citation to a round of applause. Good,but you know what, you always got to pay the Piper, don't you? Ye, so she finally gets her ass hauled into court in front ofthe judge, where she is very argumentative, along with her lawyer who seems likehe's just nothing more than a giant Cock Knob, angering the judge,and she gets sentenced to seven days in prison and a seven thousand dollar fine. Jesus, Yes, thank you, through the Book Out Her Huh Oh, that book. I mean she's only been defying orders for God knows howlong. Well, guess what happens after that? The governor of the Statesays this punishment is excessive. Oh my God, the Lieutenant Governor Who's receivedsome notoriety recently is name is Dan Patrick,...

...not to be confused with the sportstalk show host, but this guy's just a fucking, I don't know, evil skeleton roaming the earth. Oh, he's a fucking piece of work,this guy. He well, he got famous recently, or I mentionedthe notoriety rather right, because he was the one saying that senior should bewilling to die for the economy. So orse, that fucking spread like wildfire. But he offered to pay her fine. They say she is she is amom, she needs to make her money, right, I mean,anybody sympathetic to that? Well, guess what? It turns out that shereceived eighteen thousand dollar PPE loan from the government while she was crying poverty.Okay, this, this woman is not poor, mind you at all.She is an affluent white woman. Yeah, that also charges her stylists to leasethe chair hairs. So while she's saying, well, I got tomy employees need to work, I didn't make sure they work or otherwise theygoing to fucking stuff. They are paying her for the right to work outof her upscale salon. So they're not even technically her employees. They're likeprivate barbers or hairdressers. Stylis renting space from her. That's she's like thelandlady. She is the landlady will and if she got freed from jail rightquick she did not serve her full sentence. I want to say she only servedmaybe a day or two or she could not handle those seven fuck man. That's all day. Well, listen for anyone. This is. Thisis back to that whole white privilege thing we're talking about, because if youcould imagine a woman of color opened up her salon and all this happen,I don't think she would have been freed and the local officials in the governmentwould be paying her fines. And even Senator Ted Cruise showed up and Yo, yeah, this fucking spineless piece of shit showed up in her salon fora photo op, celebrating freedom by getting himself a fucking hair cut, andI'm sure it was also very, very expensive. But anyway, yeah,this whole thing has been nothing but infuriating to me, beyond belief, becauseI just listen, man, why we putting ourselves above the greater good?Why are we doing this? I don't understand why it's so fucking important.You know I mean, listen, I understand. Businesses need to be ableto small businesses need to be open or they don't make any fucking come.And I understand too as well. Some of these stimulus payments don't always cutthe mustard. This sucks, but it's one thing to disagree with something,it's another thing to just disobey orders. Yeah, man, to the pointwhere, again, you are making a public display of yourself, trying tomake yourself into a new story. Yes, can. What are you going tosay? I was due. The thing is, they're doing that,but they're calling it standing up for their rights, like they're disobeying orders andputting people at risk, but they're calling it like it's a cause they're standingup for. You know what I mean? It's like if someone else were breakingthe rules, for whatever reason they had, the same woman would probablycall them a criminal, but she can do it because she's standing up forher rights. You know what I mean? It's just, yeah, again it'sthat privilege, man, and things are different, like it's and you'reright in the hotbed, man. Texas is like, yeah, you gotTed crews, you got that, Patrick, Dan, Patrick, whatever. It'sGreg Abbott all about, man, he's another yeah, and this woman, by the way, just so everybody can fucking loathe her to an equalextent that I do, her name is Shelly Luther. Shelly Luther. Yeah, so you don't want to Google Shelley Luthor. Of course she's blond.That has to be part of the equation, right. That's another reason why she'sforgiven what she's done, because she's blond. She's gonna have a showon Fox pretty soon. Fucks news. Oh yeah, her and and what'sher name, Judge Pierro Will Appear Together, just fucking stumble and fumble, TommyLaren, like all those people. Oh, jee's low wise, buddy. I mean it's just it's in rage. And you know, I think weshould. We should be pumping the brakes. This is obvious. Youknow, at least another month or so, let lest the numbers come in,because everybody says we're flattening the curve, but I haven't been tested. Haveyou been tested? Saying we need the tests before we can start completelyopening up. That's just it's just a simple fact, man. How areyou going to do? You know that you need that? Yeah, see, but no, according to the government, oh no, things are we're levelingout, we're ready. We are ready now going out. We're Morritrump is calling US warriors because we're, you know, though, you're willingto fight and risk it all and, yeah, and fight the battle toget him reelected. Basically, he's just like save my economy, get backto work quick. That was the one thing I had, that I thefeather in my cap, the only thing I could claim to get re elected. Yeah, now it's gone, you know right, it's just fuck man, Yep, back up the bodies, stack them up. Fucking Yep.We're got to get that economy fucking rocking...

...and rolling again. At Joe BidenSlabe, Joe Biden's going to take my ch out. God, Dude,trump, trump had to make sure more people died in his presidency because hemissed the Vietnam War. You know, he had the boats are going togo the Vietnam War. So now he's got to see all that bloodshed.It he's just not seeing it firsthand. God. But listen, you know, if you are one of those people out there who thinks that things needto be open right away, come on now, I mean seriously. Youknow why? Why? And you know what, if you have a greatreason why, contact me, let me know. You can even send mean email, selling out show at GMAILCOM and explain your train of thought,your logic to me, because I would like to hear it because, likeI mentioned you earlier, nate, seeing these pictures online of of the theBazooka guy in subway. He's just a laughable, ridiculous, outrageous fucking thingthat I cannot mentally understand. So if you if you get a good,you know, viewpoint, talk to me. I want to hear I really do. Dust up your lps. It's time for nate. No, no, I know have talked a lot about my interest as a young teenager andindustrial bands. Like nine inch nails, skinny puppy and ministry. Don't worry, I'm not going to do another segment on all that. I'm just bringingit up to illustrate my early interest in bands with an electronic element to them. I mean the first bands I really got into were guitar based bands likeNirvana and even megadeath. As a kid, I enjoyed some more synth poppy stufflike s band information society, and I remember liking a few singles fromtopeesch mode back then. But when I got to the age where I wantedto buy records, the stuff that got me excited was all guitar based AlternativeRock and some metal like the aforementioned megadeth and Pantera. When I got myfirst CD player at like age eleven, the first CDs I picked up wereNirvana's never mind Queens Reich's empire and faith no more's the real thing faith themore we're a pretty keyboard centric band. But not long after I remember pickingup pretty hate machine by nine inch nails, and that opened me up to theworld of electronic music, as I imagine was the case for a lotof music lovers back then. Trent resner kind of bridged the gap between AlternativeRock and industrial music, especially with his second release, the broken EP,which was a bit heavier and more guitar oriented than pretty hate machine. Songslike wish and happiness and slavery were sure to pull in fans of heavier musicwhen they may not have otherwise given an electronic producer a chance. Without goinginto yet another segment on nine inch nails or industrial music, I'll just reiteratetheir importance in turning a lot of us onto a whole different side of themusical spectrum. Around this time in the early S, as I was gettingdeep into like skinny puppy frontline assembly, I found myself at the Lullapalooza Festival, specifically in nineteen ninety three. Every year, along with a lineup ofexciting alternative rock bands, there would always be an industrial band on each bill. The first year, in nine ninety one, it was nine inch nails, ninety two was ministry, and this show in ninety three featured a performanceby Belgian Electronic Veterans Front to forty two. I was impressed enough by their performanceto pick up a few albums. By that time they had several,having started in the early S. front to two bridged yet another gap fromthat industrial rock area to more of a techno sound. There weren't guitars andit was more danceable, yet still dark and underground enough to peek my interest. A good friend of mine who also happened to be at that Lallapalooza showwas Andrew Jones, a guy who I ended up playing in bands with laterin sadly is no longer with us, but at the time we were justa couple young teenagers and Andy had a really broad taste in music, soI was introduced to a lot of different stuff through him. We were atthat age where everything was new and exciting anyway, and we both found thatmarijuana and eventually psychedelics like LSD and mushrooms paired especially well with electronic music.I remember in one thousand nine hundred and...

...ninety five, a few of USfriends were hanging out and Andy had picked up a sheet of acid. Thefour or five of US sat mesmerized as Andy played this new album from anartist called APHEX twin. Up till this point I'd only heard of a FEXtwin from a couple tracks he did on a nine inch nail's remix album,and maybe I'd read a handful of things about him and more obscure music magazineswhere more popular acts would cite affects as an influence. This was the preInternet era when you couldn't just check out random bands at will, but Ihad still read enough to be intrigued by this mysterious pseudo hermit character from ruralEngland who would reportedly make his own musical equipment from parts of computers, synthesizers, keyboards etc. With such one of a kind instruments, AFEX twin,whose real name is Richard James, produces understandably unique music. Now, nowadaysyou can find sounds of all kinds online and just adam to your instruments soundbank, but back in the early s, the sounds Richard James was creating we'reso cool and different than really anything else out there. In another episodeI mentioned how the s were a decade of progress and open musical minds.All the alternative music, grunge, industrial great innovations in hiphop. But justas the media had to pigeon hole and create a title for what became grunge, so too did they take the burgeoning scenes of techno, jungle, house, trance, all the rave ready dance music, and lump it together witha fix twin and all the subsequent acts he inspired, like all tecker,square, pusher, Plaid Wagon Christ, to name just a few, andthey called the whole lot of them Electronica. Another genre named that kind of makesme gag, but not too badly. I mean it is all electronic,after all. The genre title that really bugged me was what they specificallycalled those previously named AFEX disciples, a tecker in the bunch. They calledthat style of electronic music that wasn't quite ambient, was quite industrial and wasn'ttypical dance music, intelligent dance music or IDM. Talk about pretentious. Occasionallyit was referred to as electronic listening music, or ELM, and that was lessbad. Nowadays there are a million acts like this, a lot ofthe ELECTRONICA artists in general. Back then, we're almost exclusively instrumental, which kepta lot of them from commercial success, although eventually a few acts started gettingexposure. These were definitely on the dance her side of Electronica. Bandslike the crystal method, underworld and, of course, the prodigy they allgot singles high on the charts with MTV exposure. It should be noted thatmost of these acts, their biggest singles at least, did feature vocals.Some things never change, I guess. Anyway, I really got sucked intoall this electronic music. A lot of my friends were into it and wedid the rave thing. We saw some of these acts live. The showsare hit or miss as far as a visual experience goes, depending on budgetor, I guess, just depending on the desire of the performing musician andelectronic acts live show can range from a psychedelic extravaganza of screens showing fractal patternsand other strange visuals, lights and even dancers, sometimes performing in crazy costumes, all the way down to just the dude standing at a laptop moving hisfinger around the mouse pad thing. I've seen a ton of good ones andquite a few boring ones, but usually that music is helped out a lotby a good sound system, so it's almost always cool in that regard.But anyway, yeah, now there are so many electronica acts. The genreis so huge that it's like any other like rock, like hip hop.There are thousands of great and awful generic artists. So there's a lot tocheck out. At least. I still dig the old ones I mentioned earlierbecause I'm an old Fogi and they are all still putting shit out and it'sstill quality stuff. They're kind of like...

...the rolling stones now, just maybethe instruments and the drugs in their back stories are different. I guess Idon't know, but yeah, dude, I mean a lot of these bandshad interesting shows. I just quickly wanted to mention. I didn't write itdown, but when I did go see a FEX twin live, he broughtout a couch and laid down on the couch with his laptop and just kindof lounge there and played his whole set. and to keep things interesting he'd havelike, at one point a guy came out in overalls and a strawhat, like some cartoonish hill billy character, and he took off the straw hatand shaved his own head. So, Ye, make a show. Andthen afterwards he had a couple of these like giant teddy bears. Therewere people in these giant plush Teddy Bear costumes that had pictures of the performer, a fix twins face stapled to the front of the it was just likea photo of his face enlarged. It just looked like dancing bears with hisface. And okay, yeah, he kept things interesting, but he alsopoints out, look, I'm just on a fucking laptop. This is afarce. You know, I can just do this. But nowadays, Iguess his shows are a lot more intense. He's got the whole screens and crazyvisuals and all that, but tracked an advertising is funny. Yeah,but you know, I mean because he's Electronica axe. Now I see themand how people are clamoring to buy these tickets and I'm like, DA,it's a dude on the laptop. Come on now, you know, andI'm not saying I had like Van Halen or anything, or kiss or something, but still you go, you're going to see a rock spectacle. Youknow, these guys playing live fireworks, pyrotechnics, you know, and nowyou just got what's his name? Steve Ioke? Oh my God, yeah, he's one. Yeah, there's a gaping. He's jumping up and downand it's like yeah, you jumping up and down a BOA laptop. Ireally want to pay seventy five dollars and fucking spend an hour in a parkto watch that. I agreement. You know what, I've found? Alot of these electronic artists are helped by one thing, and I'll and itcan make your live show and I'll explain it like this. The band topetch mode very, you know, they're all synthesizers. You listen to theirmusic, it's I mean they added a guitar here there, but it's basicallythey're a synth band and when they used to perform back in the day theywould have just a drum machine or a sample drum, whatever it was.It was, you know. And so it's just a couple of guys thatsynthesizers and a singer. What changed everything, and this does it for every electronicband, I'm telling you, a live drummer. And even if they'replaying electronic drums, just having someone sitting there and slamming on these live drumsand adding little fills here there, it makes the show feel so much moreand I and you can just have it to synthesizers or even one synthesizer,if you have a live drummer, something about that makes you feel like you'reout a live show more than anything. I don't know what it is,but the pet mode added a live drummer years ago and it some say itmesses with the tone. Their sound is usually very synthetic and electronic and itkind of makes it more rocky. But it definitely makes the show more intense. I'll say that. So guess. Yes, I was going to saythe intensity is there. Yeah, when you have someone banging away. Yeah, man, it's primal. That's the shit. Yeah, great, that'sa great way to put it. Yet there you go, Bing Bang,boom. So anyway. But yeah, electronic music, man, can havea lot of life. I'm sad to say, like one of the earliestbands to really make sort of poppy, pretty, like interesting digestible melodies,like pop music, out of synthesizers back in the day, was Germany's craftwork, and this band, you know, they started it all and on everyelectronic artist pretty much cites them as the huge influence. And one ofthe founding members just died the other day. So I'm sad to say. Hisname was Florian Schneider. Apparently hadn't played with the band in several yearsanyway. He had kind of retired and some of the other founding members stillplayed, but yeah, he passed away and it's sad. And so Iam the upper rator with my pocket calculator. There was a song that by craftwork that our friend Andrew Jones, who I mentioned on that had thesheet of acid in my piece I mentioned, and introduced me to a fixed win. He used to always sing that craftwork song because he thought it washilarious. I am the operator with my pocket calculator. Anyway. It's they'refun. They have this robotic image craft work and they started at all kindof so well, it's going to be fun, right. I mean whenyou think a FEX twin, there was some AFEX twin material that I enjoyed. Sure, but there has to be...

...a little hook in there. It'slike the I wish the milkman would deliver my milk. Yeah, yeah,I did put vocals, usually sampled and tweaked so they sounded all weird.But yeah, yeah, that Song I wish the Moveman. It's called Milkman. But yeah, it's a strange song. But Hey, you know what,maybe, like you said in your piece, a lot of vocals,along with the drums of course, and live show. But the vocals toan actual track helps the helps the song out. Yeah, helps it commerciallyespecially. But I personally love electronic or instrumental music rather and have no problemlike a large percentage of the music that I love best, I prefer hasno vocals at all, and I tend to treat vocals like they're another instrument. I mean, I understand their appeal and I understand people like a hookand something they can sing and and you can add a whole meaning to asong just through lyrics. I understand that. But to me sometimes, if youdon't even hear what the vocals are at just acts as another melody oranother instrument, and so I respect them, but I don't think they're necessary.As my point, and I know you're a vocalist, Dave Euro simvocalslike it. I mean no disrespects, I'm not saying you're not necessary.I'm saying that vocalist add a lot to music, but I don't think asomeone without vocals is necessarily, you know, lacking any value or lesser than youknow. So, HMM, but the general public you're not. Youknow, it's hard to get an instrumental song on the chart. said,it's true, it happens, but it's not. You know, it's notcommon. Well, you know, you speaking to kraft work and I geta nickel for every time I bring up David Bowie on our show. Ifyou think his album low. Yes, yeah, there you go there isheavily inspired by the electronic scene and later in his career, of course,in the S and early it was also very, very visible. So yes, cool, peace, nate. Thank you for that. Thank you.Hey. You know, before I let our listeners go, I do wantto bring up some sad news on the show today. So I'm not pleasedabout bring it up. Is Very unfortunate, but there is another podcast out therecalled the cosmic treadmill and one of their host Reggie Hemingway, unfortunately passedaway. He was a his heat he actually. Yeah, he guessed iton one of our shows, the holiday treason episode. So I just wantto send my thoughts to his family and to his wife and guy had avoice made for broadcasting and as a life lost way too soon. So ifyou have never heard of that show and you're interested in comics, and Imean these guys were really, really heavy on their research. They did acouple shows the cosmic treadmill and weird comics history. He and his partner Chris, can be found at Chris and Reggiecom but it is sad news indeed,and I don't like saying it, but he will, he will be missed. Friend of the show in Yep, gone too soon. Yep. Seemslike that's a common narrative in our lives, not just friend of the show,but is our friends in general, of course. So you know,it sucks, man. So yeah, but hey, you know what,we're still here. You're still here. I appreciate the ever living crap outof all of you virtual hugs. I want to reach through your earphones orhowever you're listening to this show and squeeze you. Can you feel that?Am I? Fuck I'm talking about? Yeah, you're grabbing me. Iam I. Yeah, you thought it was the audience, but that wasthat was that was kind of Nice, but it was definitely inappropriate. NOPE, those aliens fiddling with your butt again. That's what that is, millions,but hey, that does it for this episode. I am Dave.That is nate, and this has been the selling out show s.

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