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Episode 39 · 2 years ago

Ep.#39 Howard the Duck and the Rejected Reboot

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We wrap up the Halloween season by taking a cut from our kids candy and talking more Howard the Duck than you can handle! Dave and Nate wax nostalgic about their love for the feathery financial flop. Who knew a little female on fowl sexual tension back in '86 would result in countless therapy visits? We also discuss the pitfalls of the 2018 Predator remake and why franchise reboots are doomed from the start. Plus, Nate's Notes takes a look at the reverse rock star trajectory of Fat Mike from NOFX. Hey, hey whaddya say...CLICK PLAY!


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...which of course appeals to the more adult or Raunchy side. So you think, okay, this is not safe for kids, even though it's rated PG right. Also, the other thing is, when you're going to market something two kids, you want him soft and cuddly and friendly looking. How are the duck? Had fucking fingernails. Did He really anything? Did realize that always fuck? Can Gross. The other thing, if you this is gonna blow your mind, can probably blow the mind of every listener that we have out there. I dare you go on Google compare a picture of the young Macaulay Culkin with how were the duck. Oh my goodness, I can already see it in my head. Wow, dude, it's unfucking canny. Wow, MacAulay Culkin is Howard the duck. Wow, man, look at those eyes. Yeah, it's like that. That just blew my mind. Dude, I don't I'm kind of speechless right now. That's bizarre. I did drop in the MIC. Boom, are you go. I did. Show is over. Thank you all for coming. So you next time out. But listen that that's why I think it failed. Where is succeed? It is even from the opening sequence where they are on duck, the duck planet, duck world. Yeah, they have a lot of spoofy stuff going on that reminded me almost like a mad magazine. The movie spoofs, even the TV commercials and that kind of stuff as a kid sucked me in right away and even now, is an adult, I find very humorous. I'm like, I'm always down for a duck pun or whatever, some world building that incorporates, you know, those cheesy puns and switching titles around and yeah, like whatever it was. It Play Duck, the magazine of the Yes, the Nudy Duck magazine, and yeah, to the s were weird like that APP g movie could have tits in it. It was strange. There were a lot of pg movies that I remember going to and seeing nudity and that was just kind of normal. Well, but then again, for PG stands for parental guidance. So the it's not G. G is general audiences. Right, it's for everyone. So technically PG is not necessarily for little kids. In everyone peg gets this reputation as being the water down accessible for everyone. Little Kids can go see it movie, but parental guidance means guide. You're freaking kids. Yeah, it does, it does. But now peg is the new G. Right, you know, I mean every pixar movie or animated flick. I see hard to find a grated film that's a safe and even then, as a parent of a seven year old, a lot of times they reference death, murder and stuff. Of My Jesus Christ, I thought this was yeah, G. No, it's more like Ge Whiz. What the Hell's going on here? You know, earlier you said Cheesy, and I love that Word Cheesy, because this movie was full of cheesy dialog. But as well, it also had a good amount of action adventure and I it was released by universal, so I suppose true to the whole universal pictures classic monsters, right, there was a lot of that great horror stuff going on in this film, right and as that was, do not even to the special effects, practical or otherwise, but to the great acting of a Mr Jeffrey Jones. Write. The convicted pedophile Jeffrey Jones, is so fucked up. You said that because I could have swore he was busted for diddling. Yeah, he was, wasn't he? Well, it was like child porn or something. I don't know if he was convicted of actually physically touching a kid or just possessing child pornography or either way, but something shady, something nasty, which is a fucking shame. The decade of the s must have been amazing for him. Yeah, out of sight, I mean he was in Howard the duck, he was in Beetlejuice, he was in fair Uler. Yeah, fucking a he use an, I'm a dais. He was all over the place, and he did. He was.

He was in the devil's advocate in the early S. Yeah, there you go. Grow I love that fucking movie too, and I mean seriously. The world was his fucking oyster. If he ate a great character actor, he was outstanding and Howard the duck. People forget about that, and that's why I brought it up, is because when you think, oh, there's a fucking a puppet or a little person in a suit. That's so fucking cheesy, especially compared to what we have now. Right, the acting chops and the duality that he performed in this film, which truly is something special, and in a different era he would have been really celebrated for it among some of the greats. Sure, sure, like the lawn Chiney's in the Boris Carlos even, you know the he was creepy. He played that galactic overlord or whatever, the guy, the scientist being slowly overtaken by this monster in Howard the duck, and he he really he pulled it off, man. Yeah, under the world is coming. Also something that should not be forgotten. We're left in the dust is that Leah Thompson. She was a smoke show. Oh my God. Not only was she a great actress and she was in some fantastic films, but yeah, she was a stone Cold Fox baby. Oh my goodness, I used to have such a crush on Leah Thompson when I was a kid. Man. Specifically, I think it's started with Howard the duck. Really, something about that crimped hair, like when she's performing on stage, like pretending to play the guitar and, you know, singing that. How the duck, that's song. That was, man, something about her rocking out up there with the crimped hair and a little short miniskirt. She was she was pretty damn hot, man. You got that right now? I believe she was playing the guitar. She was training for that movie. She had to learn how to sing and do all this stuff to be in that band cherry bomb. I could tell it was her voice singing, I think. But what she would really played guitar on it too. I believe she did. I mean, I'm gonna have to check the tape on that. Yeah, you will, but if I remember correctly, she trained fucking night and day weekends, a whole nine yards to fucking me, fully immersed in the whole rock star role. That is commendable, Leah. The other thing is it's amazing to me that you said she was a crush yours back then, because I didn't really truly appreciate her in that aspect until basically now. Yeah, yeah, well, Hey, you know, I still see it. I'm at this age and I'm with you now, but I was. I was there from the beginning. Bro I was an old Leah Thompson Freak. I break. I wasn't as into her in the backs of the future movies just because she was something about that s plane Jane Style. Yeah, she was a little more plain, but but that s style, man. I used to love that shit with the heavy makeup and yeah, crimped hair and mini skirts and ripped up fashion. Loved all that Shit. You've mentioned crimped hair three times now, so I think there's something really going on there. I think I have a crimped hair fetish. That's that's it, man. I crimped my pubic hair just for kicks at home. Wow, too much information there. Keema sabby must be mating Susan. Creepy a little, dude, but maybe it's because I saw back to the future first. That kind of turned me away from that whatever crimped hair fetish that you have, lifelong fetish. But yeah, she truly isn't appreciated for the beauty there. She was the great talent that she is, because, I mean even now, yeah, she's still fucking hot. You know, it's just she's good. Yeah, yeah, she had continued success. She went on, she did what was the show caroline in the city or something she did years later. Right, and yes, you're still...

...still attractive, and good for her. You Go, Leah Thompson. Leah Thompson was my Brussels sprouts. Yeah, it took me a while to appreciate it, but now I do. I'm getting my full fucking my vitamin T VIDAMIN Thompson. Yeah, yeah, and that going and fucking. Oh yeah, baby, yeah. Now, the whole thing about this movie too, is I hadn't seen it in about twenty years. Oh Yeah, I was walking through Walmart, grabbed my milk and my eggs, domesticated Dad Lotti, Daddy Dam, and I saw it and like one top one of those five dollar bins and I fucking drop my eggs. They fell on a slow motion. I dropped it. Yes, I dropped the milk. The world turned black and white and I reached out and grabbed it and I floated to the register, M and then I walked out without paying for it. But Anyway, okay, yeah, but the great thing was is that I immediately put it on moment I got home. I'm like, everybody, leave me alone, I want to watch how with the ducker is my favorite movie as a kid. Yeah, and it was just like muscle memory. Even though it'd been so long, I was reciting lines from the movie as it were happening, just like I can see it yesterday. Wow, man, it's like information in your brain you didn't know you had until it popped up again. Like yeah, like you said, muscle memory. It's like Jason Bourne or something where, yeah, somebody attacks him and he just automatically starts fighting back. It's you. You put on this movie and you're Jason Burning your way through the dialog. It was like downloading it into my brain. I swear to you. I must have watched it like a hundred fifty times when I was a kid, and I didn't get to see it right in eighty six right, okay, I didn't see in the theaters. And when I was a kid we were poor and so we didn't have any vhs movies in my house. So if you had one, you watch the fucking hell out of it right right, you know, or you tape something off TV or whatever the case may be here. But shure, but you get my drift. It wasn't like we had a fucking wide supply of movies to choose from. Absolutely it was like how where the duck, or fucking I think I was. Might have been it, I don't know, maybe I like star wars or something, until the next one got bought or whatever. So it was a fucking big deal then, and now it's I mentioned in the onset of this whole thing. I feel like a kid again. My inner child is fucking doing a tap dance on my old face, going Haha, you old son of a bitch, Cho'm back. That's really I'm so glad. I think that it's interesting you brought that up about the muscle memory and knowing all the lines and not realizing it, because I remember another movie that that happened to me. If you remember years ago, just quick aside here. Years ago, you used to own the movie mystery men with Ben Stiller. Yeah, and it's about the Ragtag Group of fake superheroes, kind of. Paul Rubens is in it, Willie H macy and Dank Cook has a little cameo and it briefly fucking Dane Cook. What happened to that piece of Shit? Yeah, that's a whole other yea, and still history men. Great Movie, sure, but I knew we had watched it quite a bit when you owned it. Because it was another one of those scenarios where you know you're living in a certain apartment. I was crashing at your place for a while and I don't think there was cable. So the same thing you were talking about when you were a kid. There are only a certain number of films videos to watch. So I think I watched mystery men probably a hundred times during that period and some years later I've forgotten all about it and if you asked me, I probably couldn't even told you the plot of the movie other than the basic broad strokes. But it was on. One day I put the movie on and Goddamn it if I didn't know every line to that fucking movie and it just popped out of my head. It was so bizarre, man, I must ripped the true seon out of my dictionary because I don't know the meaning in the world quit. But yeah, so that Shit does...

...happen. It's really, really strange. Lost Boys was I think I mentioned and on our Halloween episode last Yep, last time around was one of those movies where I could recite every line and piss people off. But but that one, I don't think that's ever left me. I I've always known that I have that skill inside me. Mystery men, was the hidden, hidden talent? Yeah, exactly. It's like with lost boys. You might be walking around the house doing some random activity and blurred out of line, right, mystery men, you needed to see it. Yes, Max, some trigger, exactly like a trauma from your youth. You know exactly. But Oh man, it was like this man when at the moment that the scene came on, and how are the duck and Joe Romas, Cajun Sushi, I was I'm home, oh my belong here, this is where I'm supposed. And that's an amazing fucking scene, by the way. I ruter all that one. Yeah, yeah, with Jenning just fucking going cuckoo. And Yeah, although the Hill Billy's fucking grabbing Howard and they're about to fucking cook him up. I mean yes, another wonderful thing too, is I mentioned earlier, this really is such a s film. The music is fucking S it's fantastic, clothing, the style, the stereotypes, everything just sucks you back into that era. Yeah, and I fucking love it. I do too. And let's not forget Tim Robbins was yeah, those one of Tim Robbins is early movies and I didn't even realize it was him. When I was a kid. I couldn't have told you that who tim Robbins was when I first saw that movie. And if you had asked me who plays Howard, the ducks scientists companion in the movie years, you know, years later, if you had asked me, if you'd quizzed me on it, I wouldn't have been able to tell you who it was. I was so surprised. I I happened to see Howard the duck a couple years back, more recently than you had apparently, and I was so taken back. I like, Holy Shit, that's Tim Robbins, and right, I didn't even know. I mean he's he's great in it. He's a great bumbling sidepeak, really good. Again, Comic Relief and a comedy movie, you know. So it is comedy a lot, with a oneliners and that are really great and everything, but I mean it does have a lot of elements in it. Sure, sure, it's an adventure, SCI FI. It's all that stuff, card chases. They have a scene where they're in a ultra light, the little airplane, yes, leak, I mean, oh yeah, there's so much great shit going on there. Again, I mentioned a little bit of horror, the monstrous stuff. So yeah, I guess it's easy to say, Oh, it's a comedy. Yeah, in many ways it is. It's just got a lot to digest, which is a good thing. Yeah, yeah, man, they throw a lot at you. And the Howard the duck movie, you know, Quackfoo he. Yeah, that's deadly. It's deadly, man. That's it. No more, Mr Nice Duck. Ll let the female creature go. Every duck's got his limit and you scum have pushed me over the line. Jimmy, do you like to see what I say a talking duck? Yeah, that's I've been doing too much too no one laughs at a master of quack food. Now Howard the duck. I'm surprised in a way that with this culture of Nostalgia and bringing back familiar properties and characters, we haven't seen a new Howard the duck movie. And it with the exception of at the end of guardians the Galaxy, in the post credit scene or whatever, there's a little Howard the duck cameo, but it's more of a tie into his because Howard the duck was a...

...marvel comics character years ago. Yes, so it's actually more it doesn't look like the Howard the duck from the old movie. It's more like the comic book character version of Him. But anyway, that was a little teaser and it got a lot of people talking about are we gonna see Howard the duck tied into this whole marvel franchise or are we going to see more like a new Howard the duck movie? And as tempted as I am to say, wow, that would be cool to to to remake how the duck or make a sequel to how the duck, I am so burned by now that dude that I I don't want it to happen. I'm happy rewatching the old one and I can go back and enjoy that, because recently I've been burned by a few. Well, actually, it's these specific titles that really bother I've I've seen. You do look singed. So you want men? When he see you, show me on the doll mate. They hurt you, dude. Look at these scars. Man, I got the second degree Burns man, I need grafts. Yeah, but recently I saw a whole handful of them and a few of them were great. I saw the new joker movie, which isn't really a retread. It's like a new version of an old story. It's but it's an existing character and a new take on him that a lot of us didn't think we needed after having so many jokers, the Heath Ledger One and the Jack Nichols on one and the jared letto piece of Shit and whatever. But that was a great movie in my opinion. And and then I saw the most recent remake of Halloween that came out last year, the Michael Myers Franchise, which that one's crazy. That's like spider man, because spider man, if you remember how Sam Rami brought spider man in then with Toby McGuire playing him. Then for some reason they're like we need to rehash that again and put Andrew Garfield in and now we've got Tom Holland playing that's three different spider man series or franchises, sure, and the same the same thing happened with Michael Myers. Bro It was the original John Carpenter series and whatever happened with that over the S and until they had bust of rhymes fighting Michael Myers in the S, which was ridiculous. But but anyway that you had that and then in two thousand and seven ish you had rob Zombie remaking the Halloween movies, which people you can take them or leave them. They were interesting, but a lot of people hated him. But now they re vamped it again and put out a new Halloween last year and again that one was actually okay. And I know I'm rambling here, but what I wanted to get to is that you can't get away from this shit. And and a lot of times they really ruin a franchise and and it's something like I said, with Howard the duck, were part of me is like I oh, would be cool if they remade it, but I know they're just going to ruin another thing from my childhood. Dude, because talking about it, you know when you mentioned the Guardians of the galaxy thing. Yeah, how he looked more like the Steve Gerber from the comics, right, who created how the duck, more like that kind of representation of the character. Okay, talks about him having the TV series. Maybe Kevin Smith is attached. And as far as the sequel stuff, the movie Howard the duck had a budget of thirty six million dollars. Well, when always said and done, around the fucking world, it only brought in thirty eight million bucks. That's a lot of work in movie terms for fucking two million dollars. Because the movie was executive produced by George Lucas. George Lucas, I was going to bring that up. That's right. fucking huge industrial light and magic did the effects, the puppetry, the stop action stuff, everything. Yeah, there was so much being put into this film. This is supposed to be a fucking blockbuster. Right, right, but it was a big flop.

And it was a huge flop. But I'm surprised it wasn't like maybe I direct to video sequel a couple of years later. Yeah, but you said it'd be ruined if they did it again. Now I would like to see it like this. Yeah, and just give me one second. It was sure no go. Shoot. We live in a day and age where it's okay to do a sequel ten years after. Just recently, what is that movie? Zombie land? Right, you know, they waited whatever it was, a decade to come out with a sequel. Yeah, well, let's take it even further. Come out with Howard, the duck to yeah, and base it on that first property. You don't write something new. Everything that happened did in fact happen for the first movie in the universe. Okay, thanky, going with it. I think the culture now would actually embrace something like that, as goofy and ridiculous as it is, as being maybe hip, maybe cool, maybe funny. Hey Man, they did it to freaking train spotting. They made a new train spotting sequel recently and that was freaking twenty years later. Exactly why not? But, dude, as far as ruining you know, before I got off on my crazy tangent, as I always do, yes you, I wanted to explain why I'm so hesitant, and it's specifically two of my favorite properties growing up, franchise, whatever you want to call them, were aliens and Predator. Sure, both of those were everything a kid could want in the s. You know what I mean. They were awesome monsters, one Haad Arnold, the other. It's like you have Space Marines fighting aliens and in Aliens and whatever, and for years we had all hoped for either a sequel or, Oh my God, can you imagine if they even made an aliens versus Predator movie because they had done that in comic books. Again, comics were, you know, paving the way for movies. But right they we were hoping for it for years and in Predator to back in the s are the whatever it was one thousand nine hundred and ninety when they release that. There was even a an alien skull in the predators spaceship. So you're like, Oh shit, like they're alluding to this. So it got everybody, all the kids wound up. Yeah, Jack sure. And then years later they make freaking the worst possible aliens versus Predator movies. They're jokes, they're horrible, and what happens is you've got these grit I don't understand that. You've got these great ingredients and these characters or you can't go wrong, man, they already look well, they're already the mythos is already established. Even you've already got it. But when it comes to put them in a new scenario and make a new script for them, they give it to some Moron who's somebody that writes for the CW or some shit. It's like some awful the newest Predator movie that came out last year that it had Keegan, Michael key from key and Peel, yeah, in it, prominently spouting out one liners that that we're totally out of place. It was garbage. It was hot garbage. And the most recent alien movies were Prometheus and Alien Covenant, and I'm not even going to get into those pieces of not because I will. I'll take over this whole episode talking about it. But my point is I don't want that to happen to Howard the duck, because aliens and Predator have basically been ruined in my eyes. Like you said, when you were a kid, if someone had thrown that premise at you, premise beach, you'd have been like, holy cow, I get this has to happen, I need to see this. But now the aliens versus Predator. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, and you know, years removed, you're an adult. Now you're growner. Yeah, so do you think, because you've mature bird again, look at your inner child, like I did with how are the duck. You think innernate would appreciate it more than adult nate does? Now that's a good question, man, because that's you can't separate yourself. It's hard to say because...

I'm not seeing it. As a kid. But but I'd like to think that, I don't know, I'd like to think that I still had some standards as a kid and they all right, yeah, but you did. But because, honestly, the newest Predator turns him into it's like a it turns it into some weird slasher movie. He, the Predator, was a hunter. Again, I'm getting sucked into you make a noise. You're getting so angryler clock, who something? Let's do a new help movie. I'm getting climbal I'm turning into word Predator of sorts. So your main problem with the movie is it takes in turns into something it's not. Yeah, they the person. The interesting thing, too, is that the most recent Predator, the one I'm complaining about, was written by Shane Black, who was an actor in the first Predator. He was there from the beginning. He played one of the Marines on the that got killed by the Predator in the first movie and he went on to write lethal weapon movies. He's gone on too. He did a ton of moves shane black, and he's hit or miss his films, but you would think he would have a little more sense of what a Predator movie should be having been there from the beginning, but respect the franchise, as he was in it. This motherfucker. You just he's he's Sh had all over it, my friend, you just call him a motherfucker. I like that. You. Yeah, well, the fucker. The movie was so formulate. Again, it's like a lot of our listeners. I'm sure I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it, so it makes no sense for me to go into this long criticism of all the scenes, of all the specific things I hated about it. But suffice it say, it's just a it's a big pile of stinking garbage. In you would think it'd be someone who redes a franchise, reboots it, revamps it, whenever you want to call it. Would want to make it like a fanboy's wet dream. Sure, you know. Wait, throw in all the ingredients that worked, fucking ramp it up, put it into fucking overdrive to make the fans going to the theater munch and that popcorn leave and say that was the most insane fucking thing I've ever seen. HMM. So to kind of mix the puzzle pieces around and throwing your artistic vision and stuff, I think it's a big problem that people are, these creators, do with the remakes. Sure to begin with like thinking I have I need to leave my own personal fingerprint on it's like, no, you don't, you really don't. You know whatever, whatever drives that movie. fucking crank it up, man, just fucking push that to the limit and go with that. Yeah, that, but again, that's that's strange too, because then if you see a movie that's just a complete retread, you're like, what is the point of them even making it? You walk this fine line where the movie has to remain true to the spirit of the original and at the same time be different enough to keep viewers interested and not just bore you and say we've seen it all before, but not completely just change everything. Like, without getting into another goddamned tangent, the Star Wars, the star wars movies. You mentioned George Lucas. We were talking about right. That's another series that's been they should have left it alone. And my whole youth all we all, my friends and I and my brother, we all used to say, I can't wait until maybe they'll make a new star wars. Some day, maybe they'll make a new star wars. And when they had. Like every star wars movie that's come out has just disappointed me. And again it's that question would I have appreciated it as a kid? It are these movies for adults? And part of me is like, yeah, they kind of are, because the people that are most excited about them are the fans of the originals, who are adults now. Because if you ask Joey, my girlfriend's kid in, my step son, he's like he could take her leave Star Wars. He couldn't give a shit about it is. He's just like,...

...yeah, it's one of a million sci fi movies that have come out. Like he doesn't care. He he doesn't get excited about it. He doesn't buy into the height because he wasn't there for the original. So you can say, well, that's not made for grown ups. The originals were kind of kids movies, but it's like, but by now that franchise is kind of it has its own audience and you're star wars certainly does have legs. Yeah, it's been, you know, mildly successful. Mildly. Yeah, I mentioned earlier about putting everything just into overdriving. You like, well, what's the point? Yeah, because the original is good enough as is. I I kind of thought about that after you said that in this split second here, and I'm like, well, the effects, right, I was talking about the effects of how of the duck earlier. Yeah, it's like, could you imagine now how good that would look because the creators, the filmmakers, were so hampered by restraints? Yeah, then imagine if you saw it now and it's full glory. They had the potential to do what they wanted to do to begin with. But I totally hear what you're saying. It's like, I also wonder what remakes were good, right. I don't want of people bitched about robocop. I love Robocop as a kid who didn't write. The original is classic. It was fucking classic and I went to see the new one in the theater. I said, paid my fucking money, sat down. I didn't mind it. Oh, really, yeah, I really didn't. Was it the best fucking thing I ever saw? Do I think it was the most true, you know, reboot ever know. But for what it was, if I can put it in a bubble, which you kind of have to do now. Sure, the things you have to accept that everything exists in the vacuum as much as you want to tie it into the past. They're just trying to make money and I let it what it was. Okay, I actually haven't seen it, so I don't know. I didn't even want to risk it. But you know, this is a great episode. We're just talking about movies that neither of us have seen, well, except for how of the DUC and mystery man. Those two write. You Know Chessplas? Yeah, we have those. Well, enough about movies, NAP, but I do want to leave you with this. On my planet we never say die, we say kill. Man's oldest fantasy. Cross a sea of stars. Look up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a flame. Who It's? Ay? A show like ours we need friends. We need friends at all sorts of places, and we have some. So I want to thank our sponsors, Northland Vapor. I'm a vapor I only use their products exclusively. I'm actually vaping on some blue rats right now and there's a cupon code selling out nineteen, which will save you nineteen percent your entire order. So definitely check them out at Northland vaporcom Alpine hempcom. The CBD Revolution is here. I'm a huge fantasy bed. You are a huge fantasy bed. That's right, I love it. Can't get enough of it. Helps me sleep, helps me relax, and they got tons of products on their website. Again, the code is the same, selling out nineteen to save nine team percent, and right now they're having a fall giveaway. So if you want some free CBD, make sure you check out Alpine hampcom. Last but not least, punk lubecom. I Love Spunk Lube. I can't get enough of it. If I could be, I would be drenched in it right now, head to toe. Listen, a lot of people think, Oh, you know, that kind of stuff is for professionals and the adult film industry. No, it's for average Joe's, just like you and me and our wives. Sometimes things get boring, sometimes things get stale. Have a little fun in the bedroom when you can start by visiting our partner spunk lube. Now social media. All the kids are into it right they're doing this stuff, clickity clack on the computer, like I know what the hell that is. But if you want to find us, it's easy, easy, peasy, lemon squeezy. On twitter, at selling out show. On facebook, at selling out show one.

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...the band, which was a solid move, don't get me wrong, and said drummer is still clean and sober to this day, some thirty years later. So right on again. This is stuff I've mentioned before. But somewhere in his s fat mic decides to catch up on all the partying he'd thus far missed out on, and things have since gotten so bad that he's simply unreliable on stage for the most part, and he looks rougher and rougher every tour cycle. Fat Mike has always been a pretty enterprising dude. On top of bringing his band to unexpected popularity and success, he also started a respectable record label back in the s called fat records. He happens to catch the s skate punk wave just right where his band had been around long enough to have some credibility and status, and then he just signed a ton of young punk bands to his label, further boosting not just his credibility in the scene but his financial status as well. And this was when record labels could still make lots of money, pre file sharing and streaming. Mike made a lot of smart moves and has remained pretty damn wealthy. He's had personal issues, as we all do, having a few divorces and, of course, his substance abuse issues, but he's still a damned successful guy, which is what makes me do a double take when he sings about not being lonely at the bottom. I mean, yes, we all have our personal bottoms, that low point where you say this is as bad as it can get and I have to either start climbing out or just hang it up. Everyone's bottom is different. One Guy May lose his job and sober up. Another guy ends up homeless and diseased. And Look, I know that this is ridiculous to go on about. Fat Mike does a lot of things to provoke a reaction. Hell, he got his band blacklisted from the whole USA a couple of years ago when he made a joke on stage about the Las Vegas shooter. His words aren't always to be taken super seriously, but coming from my point of view, it's just weird to have watched the guy from afar as a fan over the years and seeing how ragged and rough the dude has gotten. It's not the normal trajectory where someone either burns out young or they get older and clean up. He wrote that song about hitting bottom a couple of years back and hopefully that's as low as things will get for him. Still putting out music and touring, still a millionaire living in the PUNK rock world. It's not good to compare these things, but I wish I had his bottom, so to speak, because I know there's always a dude with a shovel. Just when I think I've reached my own shit. Most people would have to climb for years to reach his bottom. But honestly, drug dependent sucks no matter what, and emotional and psychological bottoms exists too. So, even though fat Mike May seem like he's got nothing to complain about, I know that we all have our problems and, honestly, the last thing I want to see is for anyone to hit new lows. We've seen a lot of our entertainers die from this stupid disease of addiction, and I guess I just don't want to see fat Mike Become another statistic just because he kept such a cavalier attitude towards his problem. And Shit, even if he doesn't die,...

I'm living proof that eventually you will hit a bottom where it really is fucking lonely. So get your shit together, Mike. That's a lot of talk about bottoms, a lot of a lot of tushie shaking. Oh wait, you're not talking about that kind of bottom. Well, rock bottom is more like it. I don't envy fat Mike's Bottom, you know, no, but yeah, man, we all hit some some low spots. We anyone who's, I feel like everyone's hit lows, but we can every human being can look at some point in their life and say, wow, that's as low as shit has gotten in yeah, maybe it's just I broke up with my girlfriend or whatever it is for some people that live in normal life, but for some of us it's crazy. And and if you're the type of person where you have a lot of enablers and your you have the money to keep it up your bottom, it can keep going. But but yeah, anyway, let's let's make this more fun and just compare bottoms instead. That sounds like a hoot. Nanny, right there. You'll here's the thing that you brought up an interesting point. It's one thing to hit your bottom due to life circumstances or whatever's happened to you, but it's another thing to look for that, to write actively seek that out. Yeah, which seems like this was Mike's case. Like he wanted it, he yearned for it. I see what you're saying. Like he he glamorous. He's at that point where a lot of us are, when weird teenagers were like all, look at me, I'm getting fucked up, and you're almost like you used to read your Charles Bukowski and and I used to read my Jerry Stall and William as burrows, and it was so cool to think about the how glamorous it can be to be this addict or alcoholic and fat make is there and sings about it like it's it's he's like a he thinks it's cool. So, yeah, he's kind of sinking out a bottom and he's he's tempting faint, Goddamn it. And Yeah, I'm just saying I've seen that story end badly a lot of times, all though I don't know the guy. Yeah, it's just it is what it is. It is a maturity thing, like you said. You know, when we were younger, that kind of stuff looks appealing to you, that lifestyle, because it's glamorized. It seems like the way that life should be. You know, fast sex, fast drugs, fast whatever, fast bottoms. Shake it, baby, shake. But you know, a lot of sex was fast when we were kids, though, because, yeah, yeah, before you knew what you were doing, we were those tapes out. But yeah, totally man fucking. It seems like now, when you're older, you're like, Oh, I think you appreciate more getting through that and being able to enjoy life. Sure, and I wouldn't see a point in anybody's life where it becomes a thing, where you want that lay here like, well, I miss that phase of my life. I got to do that now. Yeah, man, no, no, you don't. But you know, if we worried about every person that's that's dabbling in substances, than he's just a person that I listened to and I happen to know he's a little famous. So his shit is out there for us to see and I happen to notice him getting grosser and grosser looking every time I see him and more and more ragged and out of shape. So it's it's hard to ignore at this point. It's almost it's almost getting painful to see it happening. So always is, baby, always is. But you know, there is something that we can do, something that we have power over. We, as you, can afford it, the control and that's this show, and right now is coming to an end. The parties over. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. What you can do is go hit our back catalog, which is chalk full of goodies, topic subjects, a whole bunch of podcast goodies you can put right into your ear holes. But as for this one, it's over. I want to thank each and every one of you for tuning in...

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