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Episode 33 · 2 years ago

Ep.#33 Retail Fail

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Nate’s back on vacation, sipping fruity drinks on the beach while Dave’s been stressing out at a new job. Speaking of jobs, have you ever wondered about the jobs and money issues of prison inmates? Of course not! Nobody does! And finally Nates Notes looks at the expansive cinematic world of Post Rock and Post Metal.


1:02-Intros/A Temporarily Southern Perspective
4:24-Dave Rejoins the Rat Race
16:30-Prison Labor and Finances
30:49-Nate’s Notes (Post Rock and Post Metal)
40:43-Clip (Kodama by Alcest)
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...guy that I saw, you know, if you would care to enjoy some with me, just being drinking a tone. Yeah, neighborly, you know, he was walking by and he looked at me like I was some kind of Weirdo, like and like, Oh my good, you know, like I forget. You know, up in Massachusetts it's just kind of like asking someone if they want to drink. You know, it's not. It's not that bause. It's easy to forget when you're in a cool place compared to a fucking conservative play. So I have a suggestion for you. Sure, okay, here's what I think you should do the moment we are finished with this show today. I want you to twist up a Jibba, pop it in your mouth, take off your pants start running down the fucking Myrtle Beach Day. Let you don't hit in the Chin, Bing Bang Bong and start yelling band guns, band guns, and see if that freeze you up a little bit, see that makes you feel better. Or how long it actually takes you to get locked up. Nate, as you well know, I am pretty much a middle aged bum. I've been a stay home dad for a long time and I recently some new bills have surfaced and I feel really, really guilty that my wife is a bread winner and it's not really like a masculinity thing where I'm embarrassed. I'm not wearing the pants and the family or anything right, I just feel like I know I'm contributing with the raising of my son and making sure everything's all set in the household. Yes, very important things, fair, yes, Cru thank you, thank you for fluffing me up there. But really, you know, at the same time I'm like, I do have a few spare hours a day. Let me start looking for something part time. Right. I'm not a big fan of the hamster wheel. I know the rat race, and I think I meant the literal hands to wheel. And you know your new pet hamster. No, no, not that, not that fucking piece of Shit. No, okay, but I mean, okay, let's stick with the rat race things. I don't own a rat, so it is kind of related to a RAPP IT anyway. Yeah, so I really don't care for that whole cycle, you know what I mean? We does for the man. Yeah, but if you can get out of it, why jump back into it? Yeah, so I'm like, let me see if I can find something more suited for me, something up my alley that you know, at least I'll have a general interest in. Yeah, and I love thrift shops. I like watching antiques road show. I guess also kind of aiding and abetting my middle age status. I just gave myself there. Yeah, so I applauded a few random places and I never got a call back. But this one thrift store in particular is by my house. It's a fairly famous one. It's associated with a charity. Okay, I won't say their name, but you can kind of guess. It's only a few of them out there, right, and they call me. I go in for the interview. I told my it's one little parttime gigs, kind of help out here or there. They look at my resume and they go, Oh wow, you get a lot of managerial experience. Yeah, and I'm like over qualified. Yeah, yeah, like American beauty, right. That's why I was just thinking, come, yeah, the movie American but yes, exactly, Kevin Spacey goes into Mickey D's like, why the fuck do you want this job? Yeah, so, anyway, I'm like, yeah, I do have a lot of this experience, but it's in a different field. It's industrialists, not retail. And they say that doesn't fucking Mada. We need an assistant manager in here. You look like you could fit the bill. What do you say? Instead of taking the part time Gig, you do that instead? Wow, they got you. Well, I sat there for a second. I kind of told them my situation to I'm like, well, I still going to pick up my son from school, so my hours could be an issue. And No, no, were we will work with you on that. Don't you worry. I'm like, well, you know what, sounds pretty good. Sign me up. Yeah, sounds like you got a little bit of a bargaining chips there. Man. They sounds like they need you a little more than you need them. At this point, you would think right, you would think, well, I start my first day on the job and I I have a specific managing style, which is more about like delegation. Right. No, I mean really, it's like good at telling others what to do, or at least making sure that they're doing their jobs, okay, and they're serving their functions, you know. Yeah, so I can go in the first day my boss is tell me, Oh, you need to run the cashier's register, then you got to go all...

...back and unloaded truck and then you need to clean the toilet and then you wow, I'm like, Whoa, Hey, O, a little bit more hands on than most menagerial positions. Well, yeah, exactly. I mean I didn't expect to be sitting around all day. I mean if something got hectic, yeah, or if somebody needed some coverage for their lunch or something. Yeah, I go out and I help out. And again, I'm not really overly experience with the whole retail side of the world. Yeah, but I do it. I did all everything that was asked to me, because I'm like, you know what, the more I know about other people's job functions, the better it would be for me to manage them later tell them what to do. I've always felt that way. If you can understand the process, it's easier to dish out the responsibilities. Dude, you are a great manager. I can already till. Thank you. Thank you very much. Now you might mopping this up over here and nate, you might taking care of this. I don't know. You made the experience right. So the first week goes by and I'm like, all right, I learned everything, I know everything. This is all fucking fine and Dandy. Week two starts and the first morning I go in, the boss hits me with the same shit, a fucking laundry list, and I said, you know what, hold on, we need to go and talk. Let's go meet in the fucking office. I said our she's a terribly nice woman, by the way. She's not him brute. She's not, you know, some kind of evil person. So if you're kind of like trying to do a mental image of this, it's not like I'm dealing with what's what am I trying to say here, nate? Like she's smiling while she's fucking. Well, I was actually thinking like more like a judge, like looming over somewhere. Okay, you looking up like is a fucking skyscraper, but we could use that as well. All right. And so as I'm talking to her, I say, listen, I've got a different managerial style than you. You think everything needs to be hectic. You wait till all the plates are in the sink before you wash them. I like to do them one at a time or once you finish eating. You know, I'm kind of using these examining as you go. Yeah, thank you, you know. And she's like now, that's not the way it's going to happen here. That's not the way corporate wants it. They need you running around and doing this. And I said, listen, this is a fucking thrift store. It's not fucking TJ Max or fucking Wal Mart or something where, I mean, I would assume, would necessitate that kind of workflow throughout the course of the day. Yeah, and so I'm like, well, I'm sorry, then, I don't fit the bill. I appreciate the opportunity, you know, but unless you have something part time for me or whatever, I'm not gonna be able to take the job of keep the job. Rather wow, this is your your red line, your line in the sand. You like, well, yeah, yeah, exactly. It was like, you know, again for a short period of time to kind of like, you know, get my my bearings and understand how everything works. Yeah, but then after that, you know, let me do shit the way that I do. Shoot, you hired me to be a fucking manager. Let me, you know, assist you with my knowledge rather, you know, mopping up a fucking bathroom floor. Right. Let you manage. You hired a manager. Let him manage exactly. So I said, this is not for me. So unless you have something part time. And my boss is really upset because she likes me a lot. I've only been working for for a week, but she's like, you're a great worker, you know, really intelligent guy. She might be lying about that one, but still, I want to say it on air. Yea, and everything else, but she says she's going to see what she can do. So right now I'm still in limbo. I'm still the assistant manager, HMM, but I don't know what my future holds. So was the last day you worked when you had this conversation? Is that we're saying? or well, no, actually is it? It was a day before the look'St Day I work the second that the last day I work. Is I am off today. As why I'm with you, shooting the breeze right. She was saying that she was talking to her managers and higher up the food chain to figure out if they can maneuver and put me somewhere else. Part time or if I would have to give my two week notice. Yeah, that's crazy. You just started, you haven't even work two weeks and you're giving you two week notice. Know, I know, I even told her. I'm like, I feel fucking horrible about that. You know, you hired me. I mean I used to hire...

...people and I mean if someone came to me a week later, it's like, Huh, sorry, you know, there sucks them out. You get fucking pissed off. But she appreciated my honesty and candor absolutely rather than just, you know, trying to fucking you know. Yeah, Grin and Barrett and it's quit on the spot. Yeah, I don't want to do to anybody. I know how much I fucking blows, of course. But the other thing too, is the job pays like shit. As you can imagine, it's a fucking thrift store right. Never have time to kind of like flex my thrifting muscle, which is applied there in the first place, because I'm interested in junk. I like digging through other people's you know, one man is trash is another man's treasure. I love that Shit. I don't get to do none of that fucking Shit, but I tell you man, any job that you think is going to be amazing, like a chef. If you ever ask, a chef always goes home and cooks like ramen noodles, if they eat at all, because they're so sick a seeing food, your food. Yeah, and just imagine if you are, if you are a gynecologist or something. You know, you know what I mean, like with that, that whole cliche where it's just that's the last thing you want to think about when you get home. You know, when while you're there, that one might be a cliche. To be honest with you. I the chef. I get yeah, Guin ecologist, not so much. I don't know. I mean it's also you deal with fucking crazy motherfuckers all day long. I had a woman last night. Yeah, it's buying like a hundred set of knives, a hundred forks, a hundred spoons, because she claims she had a dinner party coming up, which, hey, whatever, lady, if you want to count him yourself, be my guest. But she came to the reddest stir five minutes before closing. was like, can you help me count the Oh, and you can't say no. You gotta be fucking you know, it's customer service. Of course, ma'am, I'll help you. Well, in the meanwhile, I look at the other dude. This work with me. Close the fucking door, clone don't have anybody else in here. You got nutty people, crazy people, and plus, because it's a charity, we have a lot of homeless people come in. Of course, all they're always trying to steal. Yeah, and I'm very sympathetic to you know, they're what they're going through. Right. I tried this one guy in particular. I tried to talk to him. I said, Hey, man, I know you're in a bad spot. If you ever need something, come in here and talk to me, right, rather than just fucking try to gang something and run out the door. Right. Well, we'll try to help you. I mean it won't be much. Maybe be a pair of jeans and a fucking Tshirt, yeah, but if you're at the point where you're stealing from donation store type, secondhand store like that, then things are rough and I'm sure someone will be willing to help you, you know, if you just open your mouth, you know, yeah, exactly. I'd rather than talk to me then just fucking again just try to steal and then I'm in trouble if someone sees it or whatever, whatever. You know. So, yeah, I'm already in trouble anyway because my wife is fucking so mad at me. Oh Man, the plot that cans over all of this shit. Yeah, she is so fucking pissed because she you know, she wants me to work. Of course she does. She want to fucking bum husband never making a Goddamn fucking red set. But I mean, you know, if plus, you probably think some lazy is all get out, which is partially true. But she's like, why didn't you just stick with the position for a little bit longer before spilling your guts? Yeah, but that entails being more entrenched in the routine of it. So they think, why is he just bring this up now? You know, it's better to just to say this stuff early before it becomes an issue in there, like well, you're already used, so just keep doing it. It's it seems to make more sense to just bring it up if it's an issue. It seems good. I agree, and that's why I did it. You know, if she had not hit me with that again, do this, do that. Did it and I'm like, Whoa, if that hadn't happened on the Monday morning, I wouldn't have said anything and I probably would have tried to, you know, to push my way through it right, but I was like, you know, I can't know. I'm not doing this anymore. I'm sorry, thank you, but no thanks. It wasn't as advertised. I'd rather just be a straightforward as humanly possible. You go find the person that wants this and have them filled a position. You know, yeah, it's my boss does the same thing. She runs around like a fucking chicken with her head cut off all fucking day long, and I'm like, I gain, that's not managing. You don't have any time to do what you're hired to do. You're doing everybody else's work throughout...

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...little little part of it that says slavery's abolished except as punishment for a crime. So basically you know if you if you commit a crime, then you can be compelled to work. That's it's another thing I was going to get into is that there were times when I was locked up that I got moved to a cell. They just move you. If you're classified to move, they move you and they may not even let you know that it's going to happen until they tell you to pack your Shit. And so I've been moved into a cell and been told, Oh, this is a kitchen workers cell, so you have to get up tomorrow and go to the kitchen, and I I was always happy to do that. I don't mind working when I'm in there at kills the time. But the fact is, if I had refused the work, if I if they had woken me up for work the next morning and I said fuck that, I just want to do my time, leave me alone. It's not like they just move you to another cell and say, okay, well, we'll get a guy who does one work. They will move you to the hole. You'll spend, however long, a week or two in solitary, lose your visits losier canteen for that week in. On top of that, every time you get an infraction like that you're losing earned good time. So basically they're tacking another six days onto whatever time you're doing just for refusing this job. So it's the point is it's compulsory labor. They're not paying you and if you're like well the fuck that, I'm not working, then you get punished. So you're compelled to work. And the messed up thing is that where we live in the society where prisons are a big it's big business and people privately own prisons, and then they don't even have to spend money on landscaping crews or custodial or kitchen labor because they force the prisoners to do it, so further increasing profits. And you know, and and another interesting thing, I mean they touched on this on John Oliver's show, but the money that is being charged to the inmates, whether it's for canteen or like, when you're buying things at the prison store, not only are the prices of the items exorbitant and ridiculous. First of all, everyone is probably listening saying where we're poor prisoners. You know that as the the people that I'm worried about the least. But bear in mind that if I'm not earning money, when I'm incarcerated, where's the money coming from? My family? My family did nothing wrong. Presumably they, the families of the inmates, are often the ones that suffer the most because of this. So phone calls are always collect calls where the first minute may be three dollars and then a dollar a minute after that, and that adds up the canteen items that you need to have money sent and put on your books, on, you know, on your account when you're in there. There are companies that charge money just to do that. Just so if someone wants to put fifty on your books, they're charged a fee for the transaction, right and and these companies charge up to forty five percent. Some of these companies in our nation's prisons, which means if someone sending you fifty dollars, it's going to cost them like seventy two do it total. And these people, again, they did nothing wrong. And a lot of these a lot of these prisons, but as soon as you walk in the door they charge you the you start at Debbit, you start below zero, because they automatically are charging you between forty and seventy five. The last time I was in was seventy five. They called it a deposit for all of your sheets, uniforms, whatnot that they give you while you're in there, which are all used and often stained and ripped up, by the way. It's not like you're getting new stuff, but they call it a deposit. So before you can even buy a twenty cent item or fifty cent item or whatever, you have to have seventy five in your account just to get the zero.

And Yeah, you'll get that money back when you walk out the door, provided they're not charging you for, say, a lost t shirt or a lost, you know, uniform, whatever. All that money your family or you put in the system, whether it's on your account, that the money they're sending in, that deposit money, all of that, the jail puts that in a big account, one big like escrow account, whatever it is. That earns interest, and you don't get any of that interest. Of course. The total money of all the inmates that have money on their books is all put in this bank account where the prison is earning all that interest. So that's profit too. So I'm going off on a big is a diagram of the scamp. That's it, man, is a diagram of this scam. Are you talking about the John Oliver last week tonight piece which, if you guys haven't seen it, just look it up on Youtube. It's probably very easy to find. But what shuts me name is being someone who'd never been on the inside, not really familiar, I mean, other than talking to you about stuff. Was Hygiene products in particular, right, and especially for women, where it's like, okay, if you need extra tampons or something, you have a little exture flow that month. You got a fucking pay for those things, or or you got to actually be able to pay to see the doctor so they can basically essentially prescribe you more pads and more tampons and whatever you need. So, no matter what, you still have to pay. That's right, that's right, but that's the thing. It's a big misconception. Okay, I understand that. It's like everybody says, Oh yeah, you go to jail, you get the fucking watch TV and eat free food and fucking Blah, Blah Blah. But that's not the case at all. No, not even close. And you mentioned the phone calls and stuff, which are now they mentioned in the piece of being controlled specifically by one company, right, where it's only a video call it's like skype. You're paying collect call money just to skype. Even if you show up at the prison, you still don't get to see your loved one. You have to talk to them through a video screen. Right. Well, that's that's the thing. The phone calls. You can use an actually like an audio phone, like you can call your family. That's not the video calls. Is More when people come to visit you, I mean, that's what I meant. Yeah, I mean, I know you and you said that, but I know that when I've been in yes, there was a big change at one point from visits where you you were just sitting across a table from your loved one or whatever, and then, after a certain amount of time, they put in a big window with like a screen like they would have at a convenience store in a rough neighborhood at night. You know, that's like bulletproof glass with a Little Mesh Circle in the screen in the middle of it that you have to put your ear up to and the other person has to speak directly. It's it's very hard to hear when you're surrounded by other inmates that are all excited to see their loved ones. Is Right, when there's a painted glass between you. But the point is in this segment they're talking about how now a lot of times, when you're locked up in a lot of these prisons, you love them will come visit you and they think they're going to come visit and see you in person, but no, they're directed to a room where there's a screen and a phone and you're in a separate room and you might as well have just stayed home and talked on the phone, because all it is is you're seeing your loved one through a screen. It's digital, it's not you're not in the same room and it's it's bizarre. And yes, you get charged for those visits. It's and it's like you said on the show, where it's like Shashank redemption. Yeah, yeah, it's like and it afraid is good with Damn fucking numbers. Yeah, I want to have kind of work for me in the office and do my motherfucking tax is exactly well that. There was a segment on this John Oliver Show where he mentioned how certain politicians are sheriffs were even recorded saying, well, I don't know about letting some of these inmates go on. There was some kind of prison reform program going on and they said bars, yeah, they've wash our cars so well or they handle our whatever so well. They're such good workers I don't know if we want to let them go, which is yeah, it's kind of Shawshanky of them. But you...

...know, I guess the ultimate lesson we can all learn from this is try not to go to prison. But which is always good advice, I I suppose. But our system is so messed up that a lot could be done and to to fix these issues and unfortunately it's an unpopular opinion to have. It seems like our nation just has no problem keeping people locked up, and the fact that that thirteen amendment talked about slavery still being okay if it's used as a punishment. It's a little odd when you start looking at the percentage of African Americans that are in our nation's countries. Yeah, considering the history, and why the hell are they still complaining about slavery and all that? I don't understand. You know, guess what, there you go, Bing Bang, boom. You know, what the fuck is everything so Goddamn fucking controversial? For where's the common sense in this world? Need? Where is it? I don't know we're right now. We just had a fucking mass shootings and fucking Al Paso and fucking you know, he's just like day Ohio, and it's like band fucking assault weapons, I know. And fucking privatized privatized prisons make no fucking sense whatsoever, man. It's just making the fucking fat cats even richer in the poorest a fucking poor. Cut that shit out. We're still arguing over reproductive rights or fucking women's ability to fucking earn as much the same as amount of as men. Why are we having these fucking discussions in two thousand and nineteen? It makes no sense to me whatsoever. Look at common sense. Grab it, hold it, hugg Itt fucking bring it home, make love to it and let's fucking live in a better world. Looking to experience ultimate relaxation and relief of chronic pain, you need to try the healing power of CBD with hemp bombs. visit hemp Bombscom for a wide range of pure, premium CBD products, from oils, capsules, gummies, pain freeze and more. Hemp bombs has all you need in store. Better sleep has proven to boost your immune system and if you were a love when live with discomfort, CBD is a natural, organic remedy that works. Start Living Your best life today with MP bombs. Fans of the show can save twenty percent off their entire order by using the code selling out and check out. Once again, that's code selling out for twenty percent off at Hemp Bombscom Day from the selling out show, here to tell you about spunk loop. Spunk loub is a multi award winning Lubri can't used by professionals in the adult film industry. Spunk is available in hybrid, pure silicone, natural and pink. Spunk is made with the highest quality ingredients and is non stating, hypollergenic and cleans with ease. Enhance your love life with spun right now. SPUNK LOUBE is by three, get one free. There's no excuse not to give it a try. SPUNK LOUB A high end product for an affordable price. Is it? Spunk loubcom today and you can thank me later. Dust up your lps in time for nate. No, no. When you watch a movie, The music does a lot to enhance the mood of a particular scene. Whether consciously or subconsciously, you will view a scene as more lighthearted, dread inducing, exciting or wistful. Depending on the background music or score, it can be as crucial to the experience as the directing or the cinematography. This comes back to what I always say I love about music. Just...

...the instrumental melodies can evoke so much emotion. I find it kind of odd, actually, that our culture places so much value on lyrics in vocals, at least when it comes to the vast majority of popular music. To me, some of the most powerful musical pieces don't contain a single uttered word. In fact, there are a lot of cases where lyrics and vocals almost ruin the experience for me, especially in pop music, where there are often kind of lowest common denominator hooks and catchy choruses. I know there are more than a few electronically produced tracks out there that have been run into the ground by lyrics about strippers or poppin bottles and some club the musical world today is so full of genres and subgenres it's easy to get confused, and I get as annoyed as anyone by it all. But there is a functionality to it. When you like a certain artist and you can't quite put your finger on how to describe them like. Maybe you want to know if there are any other bands remotely like them. They're not quite this style, but not quite that one either. They've got things so narrowed down now that it's hard to find a sound that hasn't already been named and represented by a bunch of existing acts. The best you can do now is to maybe find a unique blend of disparate genres to blend, as we heard a few episodes back with zeal and ardors, blend of black metal, indie rock and old slave spirituals in blues. And to be honest, there's probably a name for what zeal and arder does by now. They've been out a few years, so there may even be a bunch of copycats I don't know about yet. So one genre label that seems to be frustratingly inept at helping one narrow down their tastes, simply because of how far reaching the term has become, is post rock and, to an extent, post metal, although post metal is a bit more specific. For a quick couple examples of what I'm talking about when I say Post Rock, I'll name Godspeed, you, black emperor explosions in the sky, Maguay and cigar rose. While these bands have different sounds to them, one can see the connective tissue. Traditional rock instruments are being used, but this isn't necessarily about riffs or power chords. Some of these acts employ vocalists, some don't, and even if they do, the lyrics are hard to understand or, in the case of Cigar Rose, are technically meaningless collections of syllables, actually a made up language. The voice is more like another instrument to convey melody or to add harmony, and it's often fairly buried in the mix. This is where my allusion to film scores comes in or to some extent, a comparison with classical compositions. Often Post rock is slow moving and deliberate, winding through themes and movements. In fact, most of the bands I quickly listed back there have been employed to score films, documentaries and or television programs. Explosions in the sky actually did the score for the show Friday night lights back when. That was on pretty artsy stuff for a show about high school football. Now Post metal is a similarly nebulous term, but they are seems to be a bit more of that connective tissue binding the associated acts, then there would be between post rock bands like, say, tortoise, or maybe God speed you, Black Emperor. The origins of post metal can be traced back to the early to mid s, when bands like the Melvin's and...

...even tool began fusing heavy metal or punk riffs and distortion with avant garde sensibilities and sonic experimentation. Other S, acts like helmet and the Rawlins band, who had roots in hardcore, were also playing with atmospheres and melodies that sounded fairly postpunk in nature, as though inspired by killing joke or the chameleons. All of this and the post hardcore scene, with bands like Fugazi, drive like Jaho and at the drive in, we're laying a good foundation, fusing heaviness and sonic violence with really interesting in evocative melodies. Somewhere in there the first post metal acts were forged. Neurosis is a crushingly heavy band that also not only provokes thought but a lot of feeling. They continue to release albums that can be punishing and beautiful at the same time. Justin broadrick is a man whose credentials include being a founding member of grindcore stalwarts napalm death, but he's primarily known for his subsequent projects, God flesh and even more recently, hey sue. God flesh is mostly known as an early driving force in industrial metal, but they did a lot to push the boundaries of the genre, adding elements of drone metal and a fair amount of melody. When God flesh went on a long hiatus around the turn of the century, Justin went further into the post metal direction with his next band, Hey sue, which is felt like Jesus without the last s. When either of his bands employees like distortion in heavy production techniques, it's more for some emotional impacts than to make metal heads raise their fists and Headbang. The heaviness adds to the emotional weight of the song. In one thousand nine hundred and ninety two, neurosis released their third album, souls at zero. In God flesh released pure, their second album. Many would call these two albums the first actual post metal releases. Check them out if you're curious about the origins of this genre. Also of note, neurosis's later album through silver in blood, is often considered like a flagship post metal record, so to move this along. I'll just say that in subsequent years the scene has become rich and full of bands to explore. Russian circles and red sparrows sound like heavier versions of post rock, bands like explosions in the sky or Maguay, long progressive compositions that wind through different melodies and themes, largely instrumental and almost cinematic in tone. Isis was a new England band that took the heaviness of neurosis and upped the Melodic Auntie. Over their career, Isis released more than a few integral post metal albums. Check out panopticon or wavering radiant, or really any of Isis has records. I'm limited by time, but other bands like Pelican or Boris are worth pointing out as well. Finally, we get to our recommended listening selection for the episode, and I'll point out that although France's alceste seemed to fit in the Post Rock Post Metal Pigeonhole, they started from a different direction. Now, last week I said I wasn't going to bring this up, and I seem to talk about black metal a lot, but honestly, something beautiful happened when Nejh, the main man behind. Alceste, combined his love of Shoegaze, acts like my Bloody Valentine, lush and slow dive with the dark atmosphere of...

...black metal. Both genres share a tendency towards blurry production, creating washes of sound out of like reverb and tremolo picked guitars. Alceste inspired a lot of acts, perhaps most notably San Francisco's deaf heaven and wolves in the throne room from Olympia Washington. All of these guys started from the direction of black metal but incorporated Shoegaze, post punk and Indie rock to arrive at a place that sounds pretty at home in that post metal scene. Alceste in particular has mostly abandoned the harsher vocal delivery indigenous to his original sound of black metal, whereas deaf heaven and wolves in the throne room still utilize fairly traditional screeched vocals. Once in a while you may hear some harsher singing in the alceste's music, but often it's more subdued and melodic, and of course, in French, though often fairly buried in the mix, as in this episode's recommended listening, which is the Song Kodama to see when listening to that, I defy you to associate it with corpse pain or spiked leather. ALCESTA is so removed from black metal at this point I feel it's more appropriate to consider them post metal or even post rock. But fucking labels, right, I don't know, man. I know it's again not your style. What the Fuck, nate? What the Fuck, dude? I keep begging it for some fucking Yat rock. Give me an IM A, fucking shit, I need you know, I know, I do. Going to make one comment, though, is that you always say last week's episode, but we're bi weekly. I know, I know, it's just still beg to say. Maybe we should go weekly, because you keep saying it. So we're like promising something that we're not delivering upon. We can revisit that in the future. Yeah, sure, sure, sure, yeah, it wasn't necessarily my cup of tea. Right, you are the Officianado of music, while I am still stuck. Someone even recently asked me, Hey, what do you like to listen to? My God, you would have no ideas. Twenty Years Old, some fucking twenty, you know, and even beyond all that, but still I feel like I'm very pigeon hold myself to a certain era or errors. So anything modern is somewhat new. I'm like, I don't fucking know what the hell that is, man. I know be Chumbawamba, now what that is. You've taken some different directions musically, man, because I feel like there's so much out there right now, man, and with the Internet, I of no boundaries keeping me from discovering new shit and I feel like it's endless. And maybe my selections that I'm putting out have seemed a little one note here there, because I'm I've been playing, you know, selecting a lot of stuff that's a little bit on that Shoegaze, bittersweet melody, easy to listen to, but I don't want to give our listeners some technical death metal to explore. Of course not, although you never know. Listen, I get you about the whole Internet opening up doors of possibilities, with new stuff coming out, things that you haven't seen before. I just apply that to pornography, not necessarily music, because possibilities are endless, they really are.

There's a lot of things you can find out there. People you might need to wipe off it. You don't wipe off. Actually, yes, wipe all white down and then wipe out your browsing history when you're finished. But Yeah, I'm glad you take advantage of that, because if you talk to someone like me, I really don't know how music is fully digested nowadays. It doesn't like click in my brain how artists are truly making money or how they're getting their recognition anymore. Yes, there fucking carbon copy piece of shit that fucking all the kids like listening to on the car stereos way to damn loud. So for next episode I'm going to switch gears. Very good, not next week, next episode, next episode. Regular listeners will be familiar with my old man ramblings about what has happened to Hiphop, how it's turned into just another form of dance. Music and word play often gets brushed aside in favor of Hooks and beats. Well Asop rock has been pushing lyrical boundaries for years. He's technically the most verb bose rapper in the game, from what I understand. Next episode, next episode, not next week, and actually recommending to song selections from his last album, the impossible. Kid, don't get freaked out if you don't want to listen to both them. You can listen one. Will probably just play a clip of one, but I just want to show this man's versatility. The songs are called Blood Sandwich and dorks respectively, again by Asop Rock, which is AE SOP ROC K, and there's songs that require some attention, as all of his song seem to. It gets wordy, but at its heart blood sandwich is a cool tribute to his older and younger brothers, and dorks is more or less about how, underneath it all the people we look up to are just dorks like all of us. Check these tunes out and see what an impressive art form hip hop can really be. I'll post them up on the facebook page and we'll discuss it all next episode, when I'll be back in Massachusetts. Got Damn it very, very good. Hey, I was fucking it again, but very good, you caught yourself. I want to thank each and every one of you out there for listening. We appreciate it. Nate had mentioned the facebook page. You can find us on facebook at selling out one on twitter at selling Oh, I'm sorry, now I'm fucking up. You see that it is fucking contagious. Man, what do you do? It even affected me at selling out show. One rather is the facebook. At selling out show, is on twitter, and then you can get us on Gmail at selling out show, and of course you can call us leave a voice mail at seven, seven, four, seven hundred one, one thousand nine hundred and ninety three, if any of that made sense whatsoever, because I felt like it just kind of flew out of my mouth like verbal diarrhea. And before I let you go, of course, virtual hugs for each and every one of you. I am Dave. That is nate, and this has been selling out peace six infirmary media. Yeah, again. I'm also afraid that the fucking CIA is gonna catch me for looking up hamster balls on Google. Yeah, for all the wrong reasons, questionable search history, and I'm not going to touch at hamster ever again till you fucking Tuck those sons of bitches back into his body. It's cursed with giant and nuts, a...

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