Selling Out Show
Selling Out Show

Episode 31 · 3 years ago

Ep.#31 Comic Curmudgeons


Nate’s out of town this week, which opens things up for Dave to discuss his raison d’être (the world of comics) with our esteemed guest host, Chris Sheehan of Chris and Reggie’s Cosmic Treadmill Podcast!
The subject matter may be new and somewhat uncharted thus far on the Selling Out Show, but the spirit of the conversation is familiar. Still just a couple guys making sense of (read: mostly complaining about) the modern world, with the trademark snark and wit we’ve come to expect from the show.
Things wrap up with the usual Nate’s Notes appearance, despite Nate’s conspicuous absence from the rest of the episode? If so, will it be a segment about bands that turn cover songs into new pieces of art that just sound oddly familiar? I guess you’ll just have to tune in to find out!

1:15 intros
3:00-Dave’s head case
6:30-Chris and Dave’s Comic Issues
20:35-Comics Curmudgeons: a Case Study
46:13-Nate’s Notes (Making Covers New)
51:54- Clip (Airbag by Easy Star All Stars)

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In the meanwhile, I'm joined by a good friend of mine and cohost of the cosmic treadmill podcast, Chris. She and to talk about comics and collecting. Chris, how the Hell Are you? Oh, you know how I be. I'm okay. How about you? I well, I hit a little rough spot, is you well know, which will I think about in a few minutes. But before I do talk about my woes, I want to give you a chance to let listeners know about your media empire. You know your podcast. You're also a blogger, a reviewer. Where can they find you and what do you all about? Well, yeah, best place you could find me if you want to hear my voice, and I'm not sure why you would, but that is at Chris and Reggiecom you can find all of our comic related programming there, including the cosmic treadmill, the flagship that Reggie's been under the weather for a little bit, but so that will be coming back probably end of August, beginning of September, but I am doing what I can to fill the dead time in as best as possible. I also, as you mentioned, I blog daily over Chris is on infinite earthscom. That's every single day discussing a different story from DC comics history. Right now doing a very deep dive on action comics weekly from nine eighty eight, one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine. That's every single day, and that's basically what I'm all about. And you're we're actually the perfect guest to have on today because, you know, one of my passions, which I really never talked about on this show, but it's where I came from in podcasting and just in my life in general, is comic books. M So I couldn't, I couldn't think of a better person to be talking to right now. Well, I don't get asked out very often, so I appreciate it. Oh Hey, you know, you are a quite a quite a sharplooking guy. You dressed nice, your schnazzy. It's true, it's very true, and I'm not so you're the complete opposite of me. I look like a fucking fat slob. And speaking of being a fat slob, I've been suffering from some problems recently and I should kind of correct that real quick, because the the fatness isn't a good hint at what I'm suffering from, but it will be for the resolution of what I found out about it. But I've been having some headaches. I don't want to call the migrains because I had to go to the emergency room yesterday and when I did so, I said I had migrains, and the nurse is like, well, how do you know if they are a migraine or a headache? No, no, I got no idea. I couldn't tell you the differences. My Wife told me. So I'm just telling you what the boss told... to say to you. But they've been terrible, horrible, like crack your skull open just so your brain would leak out like a egg yoke, because it's just like you can, I cannot stand again on my knees, I start getting a fever. I mean the symptoms are just don't ever, and I learned this the hard way, of course, don't Google them, because you know that you have meningitis or something. You know at the very least. YEA, yeah, yeah, exactly. And so the pain gets so bad it didn't go away a when it normally does. It kind of takes a little while, but a little mute itself over a couple hours. So went to the ER and has some test done, cat scan, blood work, all that stuff, and this is when the fat, you know, Schmuck, Schlub whatever you know, adjective you want to throw in. This stuff comes into play because they inform me that I'm not dying, because of course that's the first thing that POPs in your in your brain to certainly like I probably get a tumor in my head or fucking they're going to say, Oh, yeah, you only got six months to live, which is terrible because I'm poor and poor people don't have fun with bucket list, you know, they're not like you know, can't take a plane to wherever they want to go or hang out with supermodels. You just get a sick room and fucking die. But it turns out that they fear I have sleep apnea and I'm not getting enough oxygen to my brain. MMM. So I never realized it was that serious, but the doctrine for me sleep apnea can, you guess, kind of kill you? It can, you could your broken. Yeah, a lot of complications from that. So that was a little bit of a eye opener, if you will, of something I need to take care of. It get a sleep study and hopefully nip that in the bud. But of course I bring all this up because while I waited in the Er and got my test and stuff, I was dming with nobody else but you. It kept me company through my misery. So thank you for that. Oh, anytime, anytime. I'm always I'm always good. I'm always good with a buy of a good bedside manner, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, totally kept me laughing, you know, happy, while I was again waiting for you this thing and that thing and just weird always to come in the room and ask me random questions. There's a nice little break from all that. So, plus, you were hooked up to a machine called a mind ray. Was Yeah, the mind rate. I mean that's that's just worth it all in its own there. Yeah, I don't know what a mind ray to. I have an idea of what a mind ray might do, but you know, that's a that's something I wanted to keep tabs on while as it was going down, which is weird, right, because you think it would do something to your brain, but it doesn't. It's just for your your pulse and, yeah, blood pressure. It's not a LEX Lutha device. No, no, it's it sounds like the perfect comic book supervillain name or Moniker M instead, it doesn't do anything as advertised. It just has the cool name. So true, but but you know, thankfully, I'm going to survive. Hopefully, I mean I still haven't gotten this sleep at me a thing nipped in the bud. So who knows what might happen tonight, because I do breathe weird I snore a lot, you know. So hopefully I make it, everybody. But I'm here today to talk to you and to all the people out there in podcast land about comic books and collecting. So what do you say we do a little bit about that? Sure. So, Chris with me. Comics got me through a lot of dark periods in my life. It wasn't popular when I got into it, but I was also a we lad. I was a young man, about the age of five, when I first discovered comics. But I'm curious about your journey. When did you first start reading comics or, you know, falling in love with the medium? Well, you know, we are of similar age. You know we're both on we're on either side of forty right now, but we're pretty close. But I'm not throwing outside. I'm on the right side for a few more months and I'm, you know, holding holding as tight as I can. But you know, growing up in the S S it's you comics who everywhere, you know, it's you wouldn't go to a doctor's office, dentist, off as Bob a shop without seeing comics. So they were always kind of around. They were affordable back then. So you know, if your father stop to buy a lottery ticket, he might buy two or three issues of a random comic for you to take them home. So I always had comics. I was just I...

...was never much of a collector. I actually thought, and it's crazy to consider, because I always thought they were cheap because they had ads in them, and it's like every time I'd flip through my get to an Edd and I'd be like yeah, this is cheap, this gobbage. And you know now I love the eds almost as much as I love the stories, which is a you know, totally different right. But my first motions toward collecting were when I discovered Elf quest in the library, and that's a direct market only book. It was actually a book that was completed by the time I've found it. So the only way I'd be able to find more versions of Elf quest, more issues, more storylines, was actually go into a comic book store and up till that point I had just grabbed them at the pharmacy, the seven and eleven, where ever, but going into a comic store is where I you know, I found back issue pins and I realized just what the weekly shipping looked like and just the just a tons of books to keep up with if I wanted to, and I did so it just I never look back. I just kept going. You know, I stopped a few times, as I think a lot of us do, for various reasons, but it's always been part of me since then and all of it's weird to say, but now more than ever and I'm pushing forward. You know, I like is that you were insulted by the as for Charleston shoes, right, and BMX and the and the the Wonka and the the, the CHUPA, Chupa lollipops. Yeah, I can't read this crap. How old do you think you were at that time? Um, I was probably five or six. Yeah, so, yeah, about the same time I started picking them up, give or takes. I was about five should when I first got my aunt bought me a comic book at a Candy Store. MMM, and that was the start of my whole road down the comics fandom and you know, for me personally, I really got into collecting and trying to grab as many as I could write off the bat, because, again, I wasn't insulted by anything in the comic. I just started a fun adventure and cool and cartoons really kind of spurred my interest in them because I would see the Saturday morning hulk cartoons. So I thought she was really cool and I'm wondering sometimes, without that, would I have ever been so intrigued by that Comic Book Cover Way Back when? Yeah, it's a very good question. Just those those odd little happenstance things that just change your the direction and propulsion of your life. And if you didn't see that, you might have seen something else and you might might have fallen in love with the Hustle. Different medium, be exactly what I've been porn who knows? and which would have been less embarrassing? which would have been less embarrassing through high school? So there's that. Yeah, I got into that many years later. But anyway, I do bring up the cartoon thing because something that people don't know about you, or may not know about you if they're not close to you, is that you are not a big fan of other forms that relate to comic books. The media. Absolutely not. Yeah, you don't. You don't see the movies, you don't watch any of the peripheral stuff, none of it. You don't care about it. You only care about the comics, which is something that I respect, because I'm a big believer that you got to always support the source material. Sure, sure, it's yeah, because I you know, I was. I'm actually going to be telling a story in a couple weeks, or maybe this week, on Chris is on infinite arts, the PODCAST, and it's just going to be discussing the last time I went to comic con and the fact that there was, you know, I could I walk over to the table right now, pick up a stack of comics from my own table and I probably have three times as many comics and there were on the entire comic on floor right because it was all fun copop garbage and movie stuff and it was a I felt insulted. I mean, hey, to eat your own whatever you like, you know, but if you're going to call something comic con, I really think it should at least have, you know, a couple dozen comics in there. Well, the thing is, too is like back then there were a couple superhero movies that were available. They weren't what we have today. Oh, even though is lease. Yeah, yeah, you write exactly. Seems like every...

...week there's something else out, but you didn't even watch those. You didn't know I super me, the original superman movie, the Batman e did you wait? Maybe you did see the Batman eating. I did see Batman Eighty nine. The Last Comic Book Movie I've I saw was Batman returns. Okay, so I saw a Batman returns. I saw a Batman the the one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine one, and that might be it as far as movies are concerned. Trying to think, I think I might have seen like five minutes of the mask, but I don't think I've seen any other comic movies. Out of the FOO TV shows, I did see some of the xmen car tuned in the s Batman, the animated series, I did see a smattering of that. Wasn't something that I avoided, it was just something that, you know, it would be on it like thirty in the afternoon and I'd probably be out and and if I was home I would catch it. If not, I really didn't miss it. You had to bring up like the most obscure thing with the mask, because people who don't read comics don't realize, realize it's a comic exactly. That's where it came from and we live in a day and age now where it's we just mentioned, you know, a new releases out every week or every month. Sure, but so many people get their knowledge base from films or other forms of media, which too old school guys like you and may could be a little insulting a bit. Yeah, I think you can understated that a little bit, but the thing of it is, I mean I I don't want to hold you. If somebody loves the the marvel movies and that's like their passion in life, cool, that's great, but just understand that it's different, you know, don't don't come in thinking that, Oh, you know, I'm going to wear my infinity gauntlet replica and I am the expert on the past eighty years of marvel comics because you saw a bunch of movies, you know. Understand that there is a whole other angle, you know, of the fandom and of the Lore. I think the thing of it is is when we we as comic guys, when we go into a movie situation, we do so with an open mind. If we do it all, and the thing of it is we we accept that as a different version, a different canon, if there isn't even as cannon in comics anymore. But I think the people come the other way, like if someone, if someone watches a movie then somehow finds their way into a comic shop because God only knows where they'd find one, and they pick up a comic, they're going to look at the comic and say this is wrong and they're going to dismiss it because it's not going to match up with what their reality of comics is. We was funny you bring up the Infinity Gauntlet and the plastic in general, because that seems to be what populates comic book shops more. It has to. Then the comics are kind of like your comic Con Experience, where you sure you walk into when now it's all just like Funko POPs. It's all dead eyes there and at you. Yeah, exactly, but they're hip, the popular and they sell, which is unfortunate because for a lot of the people who go to these marvel movies a DC to even though they're not as popular, I don't thinkure. No, but they don't immediately run into a comic book store like, Oh, I need to know, you know more about the character where they came from. They don't go rush into a back issue bandit like half price books or something. Certainly don't more. Should we be mad? where? Should we just be rolling with the sign of the Times? You know, it's hard to say, but I think, I think this is just the next evolution of the fandom. As much as I dislike it, these comic shop owners, these poor people, have to deal with the companies. They have to deal with people dropping their their poll lists because, I mean, I don't know if the folks here listening know that comics are you know, it's not unusual to have five dollar twenty page comic book without any kind of Special Glitz Hee cover or anything. It's just a five dollar twenty page book and folks, you know it's it's like when you go to the restaurant after after a long run or something, you got the eyes bigger than belly, order the biggest thing on the men you eat five, you know, five bites of it. You make a poll list at a comic store and you're like, Oh, Captain America, all this, three comics with Captain American and I want all three. Oh this fifteen xmen books, is twenty eight avengers books, give me all of them. And then when a time comes time to actually pick them up and pay for them,...'s like, well, maybe not. So it's these poor shop owners need to do something to subsidize their income or just, you know, make ends meet, and it's all in that plastic. You know, back around the turn of the century it was all in Manga. You know, we had the big speculator bubble burst in the mid to late S. Marvel went bankrupt and to subsidize their stores, I mean the comic shops were bringing in Manga, anime, bootleg walls, rolls, anything they could do to make a buck, because I mean that it's a that's a tough business. Yeah, it is a tough business, which also kind of led to the popularity of trades. To I mean there were I always had a struggle as a collector with graphic novels versus trades. Yep, because for me everything was a graphic novel, if it was a collected addition or just an individual stories in a different format. I'm more premium format, and it took me a long time. I think it was only a couple years ago I finally started calling trades. Trades. Sure, yeah, I was like, yeah, I want that graphic novel that collects issues one through sixteen. No, dude, like, that's a trade collection. That's a trade collection. Stop saying graphic novel. Like, Hey, I'm from the s give me a brain. But yeah, you know, that was another thing that might or probably did, actually hurt the market too. Is like why do I want to go buy individual copies when I can wait six months and I know they are going to collect them in a much more inexpensive way for me to read them? And you know, the comics, just like television, went to that model where, you know, used to be like like you'd have your little video or Dvd Library and it would be your favorite movies. You know, it's like, Oh, here's Superman the movie, or whoever it just like you. You look at your bookshelf back around the turn of the sentry and it's like you got your watchman, you got your v Fa Vandetta, you've got other things Alan Moore made, you know, and then all of a sudden it's like you've got something like spider man by j Michael Strazinski, volume eight. It's like do I really need these five six issues of a random run of spider man? It's it's the it's the what is it that the TV season model now where everything is just available, and part of me is thinking that that's great if people actually want to read them, but at the same time I see it hurting the the single issue, not only in sales but in the way that they actually deliver the story in the single issues now, because nobody cares about one chapter of a story. So it's being written without any kind of with any kind of endeavor to be a read on its own. It's a you can't just pick up part four of a story and get a satisfying a satisfying five, ten, fifteen minutes out of it. It's all just like, okay, well, this is it's part four, so we're going to hear about everything that happened for the first three parts and we're going to get ready for part five. Why did I spend five dollars on this? And that's that's a big problem with me. At forty one is the price trainer when you mentioned that too, about picking up part four of a story. Is like back then, you know, of course it wasn't writing for trade. So the author of a book is kind of like a mandate. You kind of had to reintroduce everybody to what was going on, who the characters were. You're you're here about Wolverine with his Razor Sharp Adamantian close and filling factor every single issue, and that was fine. Yeah, that was fun because you know, you could catch up. Every comic could be somebody's first. Where exactly now? I know the last marvels I boat were probably two three years ago, but they used to have like a page of text at the start. It's like, who wants to read that? MMM, I don't want to read a page of text. You know, and I'm guessing that someone who on a whim picked up, you know, avengers, volume six, issue twelve. It doesn't care about a page of text. They want to get into a story. And unfortunately, the the current crop writers just don't have the chops or the interest, because they don't have to have the interest as they know that even if, even if there were delays in shipping and issue eleven came out today and issue twelve doesn't come out for six months. They know that it's going to be collected in a trade paperback eventually and no one's going to care about the delays or that there is...

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...kid, I'm like, I used to have to specialty order t shirts, okay, like with my pole list. I'd have to, you know, put it in order, to wait whatever three months for them to come in. Like you mentioned, you can just fucking go to walm out of tag it and there they are right, you know, right when you open the door. Yeah, but I mean even beyond all that, it's like modern comics have turned me off so bad that I really only collect a couple. And I mentioned you in the past. I've been on your show and I've talked about it how it took a really serious event in my in my collection collecting life rather, for me to finally say, okay, I don't need to buy everything related to this. Okay, like I'm a huge hulk fan. I got the Hulk Tattoo. I used to have all the hulk, you know, materials, posters, tshirts, toys, you name it. And then the comic books took a turn for what I felt was the worst and I was up just totally losing my shit over the fact I was going to have to stop reading the hulk because how else, how else can I tell a huge corporation you fucking shit up? is just close your wallet. And I did it and it was the most freeing thing I've ever done, while equally one of the most painful things I've ever experienced. But that kind of broke the the cycle. For me, this want to call like the cycle of abuse, which you haven't quite done yet yourself. I am a sick say you are terribly sick individual. But the best this is free up to the point where now I only collect a couple new things and I spend most of my time in the back issue binds rediscovering old reads or some old reads for the first time, and I've never been happier in my collecting life than I am right now doing that. And you know, on a budget, sure you know, it's been very inexpensive. I'm not chilling out the five dollars per book, basically, or three hundred and ninety nine that everybody else is, and I love it. So if you don't mind, tell people why you are so really, really sick. You know, I I don't know. Well, you know, I think I should do. Is just I didn't really explain it. You still buy stuff you don't even necessarily read on a regular but it's just because a certain character is in it. Oh yeah, yeah, it's. You know, one of the things that was very important to me was I wanted to get certain runs of comics back to the day I was born and even beyond that. You know I have, you know, I've got thirty, five, forty years worth a green lantern uninterrupted. You know, Teen Titans. I almost have every single team titans book ever put out and the thought, and I mean even like Uncanny Xmen, which is one that I did stop. I've got, you know, almost every single issue, because I'm I'm a lunatic and it doesn't matter if it's good, bad or indifferent. It's it's just been part of me so long that it's hard for me to not do it. And I think part of me is afraid that if I do start to cut it, cut it all out, I'm going, you know least there's a saying in comics that you know, if you miss a week, you might never come back. You might not even realize that you missed anything. And I think part of me is afraid that if I do stop, it's just going to stop. And I have stopped on occasion, but it was never. It was never really for lack of interest in what's inside the comics. I did stop because a price on a various occasions, either I was at of work or I was just annoyed that prices were going the way they were going back in the S, when comics were every other month. You had a Hologram cover that ink that doubled or more the price of a regular comic book. I just couldn't keep up anymore. And I am kind of an all or nothing kind of guy. So it's like if I couldn't get everything, I didn't want anything, and that's kind of creepy. I don't think I ever grew out of that. It's kind of cool. It is, it is, it is, no, it absolutely is. I mean I'll go to those same you know, fifty cent pins and I will grab, if I see,...

Jesus, I see like fifteen issues of Captain Carrott. I've got no interest in reading freaking Captain Carrott, but I'm going to grab them. Yeah, because it's like hey, you know, then I'll only need a few more and I'm in sequention the motter hunt them down. Yeah, yeah, it's part of the sickness, I because part of the sickness for me is the hunt. The hunt is part of my part of the hobby from yeah, it's a very import portant part of the hobby for me. But, you know, keeping things current, I still get my books every month from dcbs Discount Comic Book Services. It's I get everything at forty, two, fifty to sixty percent. It's mail order. It's mail order. It's still physical comics, because I I'll never go digital, but it's still physical comics that I get mailed to me once a month and it's everything on my poll list and it's at a very, very deep discount, and that's the only way I can keep up with all the new stuff is at this deep discount. I ordered books last week that are going to come out like in two months right. So I'm gonna between then and now, I'm going to forget what I ordered and then they're going to show up and I'll probably just file them away for the most part, outside of you know, maybe got like twenty percent of them. I might read and then the rest are just going to go away because I can't break the rights. If I have a solid three hundred issues of the flash I can't stop. I did finally stop with Marvel, though. Marvel finally managed to push me out, and that would like you said, you know, you'll lose sleep over this. Oh yeah, it's hard because the Xmen, you know, I discovered comics to wealth quest as I mentioned, but the first superhero comics that I actually said about collecting were the xmen books. And when the xmen became what they have become, and it's absolutely nothing like they were, I had to stop and, like you said, you got to close your wallet. Not that they're going to notice, you know, the idiot and Pore Arizona not buying the book anymore. But you know, I just couldn't do it anymore. And I because I had bought uncanny xmen and all the XMEN books for years without even cracking them open, because I knew they weren't for me anymore. And it just got to a point where it's like this is really, really, really dumb, and I just came around and I stopped. Luckily with the XMEN, they made it a weekly book for a little while at five dollars an issue, at least five dollars an issue, so it made it a little bit easier for me to step away, but it was still difficult to do. So, Hey, you know what, they can't hate him if you don't read them truely. Just like well, it's still got teen titans on the cover. I'm still getting those sons of beach. They might be fucking got off on the inside, but hell, I got them all. But in the difference between DC and marvel, least for me, is my disdain for marvel makes it so I have trouble even revisiting my old favorite. I can't understand that. That's so weird because when I because I used to be where before I started creating quote unquote content, podcast blogs and stuff like that, you know, you have free time to do stuff and you have free time to do fun reading projects instead of research reading projects. And every year, at least once a year, I would read the entire Peter David Hulk run every year without fail, and I'd read, you know, the entire Claremont burn on Kenny X men. I had these these comfort food runs that I would read annually or once every several months because I just love them so much and they would always get me just it's so excited to catch up to current. You know, I bought, I filled in the last bit of my Peter David Hulk run probably ten years ago and I had no, no inclination to buy the new stuff, but I fell in love with the steeries again that I had to and it brought me right back to collect and hulk again. And now I know that's not going to happen. I know that... matter how much I love the Peter David Run, I'm not going to pick up the garbage that's on the shelves now, and I think, I think part of that is what keeps me from actually being able to do so and enjoy it and and an invest in the reading project again. Not that I have the time to do so, but even if I had the time, I wouldn't be able to do it because there would be no pot of gold at the end. You know. Yeah, but I don't know if that makes any sense. It does, but the thing with me is, okay, I might not like what's happening right now, which I don't, but I can always return to my old favorites and they bring me joy all over again. I just get so mad because of what they've done in the interim. I I look at, you know, the Peter David run. I think for the most part it's a masterpiece and I look at it and I think, wow, they really screwed this up. You know, this was such this is a pitch perfect take on the hulk you have the different the different incarnations of the hulk in there. Everything's melding and marrying together and it's wonderful. And then I think wow, you know, they f this in the ass, you know they this is garbage now, and it really it hurts to go back. And it might sound like I'm just like a little too obsessed, and I very well might. Oh yeah, but it's it. I mean it's true, but I have trouble revisiting and getting full enjoyment out of things that have been, in my opinion, destroyed since I yeah, I can't follow you there. I I like going back, I like revisiting. I don't care that they destroyed it. It's like those things till exist for me. Same thing. We talk about continuity or cannon should events that happen before and keeping them fluid and all connected. The only thing that exists to me is what's in my head. Sure you know, it's like, oh, someone says to me, Oh, you love the hulk. Okay, well, you know recently he did this in that and whatever thing. I go no, he didn't like yeah, he did. Fuck. That's right here in the printed fucking page. And for me I'm like yeah, that's great, but I think it sucks. So it just doesn't exist. And there's me. That's a great thing, but you really can't do in many aspects or any other aspect in life. You can say, Oh yeah, that's not real and never happened or whatever, but you can do that in comics as a consumer, as a reader, as a fan, and I really I like having the ability to do that and I exercise my right to do that on a regular basis. I recommend, then, that for any other old collectors that it might be, you know, pissed off like we are sometimes or whatever, what you loved is still there, is still, you know, available to enjoy whenever you like and unlike you again, you just fucking bizack, Chris. You know it's always going to be there for you. It's like why else? Okay, like we said, you're obsessed about keeping your runs together, but then why else do you want to have all the comics? You know it's nice to go back and revisit them from time to time or look at them, even if you just like looking at the cover and rememmbering where you were when you first bought it, we first read it. You know, all those things experiences that you had. Without that, what's the point? That's a very good question and I hope my wife doesn't here. Oh, Shan, no, it's a you know, I really can't explain it. You know, I so much of what what I continued to buy. It's always kind of earmarked for eventually, or maybe I'll come back around on this or yeah, I mean both of us. We've we've read the current run on Batman. I don't know how much crossover is it listens to your program here from from the comics world, but I, like no other of us, liked another of us, like this recent run on Batman that's been written by a certain fellow Tom Kinney friends. Sucks and I don't remember where I was going with it. I was sorry and you know, I still collect it because I never know if...

I'll ever want to come back to it. And I'm always afraid and because, you know, it's weird, because I mean comics that you they're always going to be available, but I'm always afraid that I'm going to not be able to find what I'm looking for and part of the part of me has convinced myself that so much of what I do I don't know if it's to assuage my guilty conscience for spending money on stuff, but I always consider what what I grab at as partially research, because you know what we do on the cosmic treadmill. We it not a not an episode goes by where I'm not digging through multiple long boxes trying to pull up, pull out any kind of fact, tooid or something from a letters page or whatever to add a little bit of the you know what you might call the gastalt into the proceedings. And so I do keep things with a mind toward, you know, rifling through or just pulling, pulling information out for future use, which is it doesn't make it any healthier. It also doesn't make it any more enjoyable to to fork over the money on something that I'm not enjoying. So change your ways, you see that? There we go. Came on this show with me and it's changing your life for real. Maybe ext if so, but hey, you know what, a little pressed for time and nate is waiting around the corner. So when we do have to kind of wrap this up, but before we do, I want to ask you a few random questions here should and see what your response is would be okay. First thing, if you were going to recommend any comic to a new reader, a virgin, someone who's never opened a comic before. They have some general interest but not sure where to start, what comic would you recommend to them? Wow, that's a that's a really good question. You know, I don't know that I have a good answer for that. I came in very, very unknown, abnormal way to the to the medium, with Elf quest and I don't think I would recommend that to everybody because I don't know that everybody would get. Well, hell no, that it worked for you. I don't think that work for it works for me. Yeah, might work for some other people, but I don't know that it would work forever, especially if you're coming in with with an expectation of spandex masks. Right, yes, but one book that I always recommend, and it's another it's another hit or miss, is is who is Dona Troy? It's an issue of the new teen Titans, IFUE, thirty eight, I believe, and it's just a it's got very limited superheroics, but there is a superhero feel to it, but it's just a very personal story and it's one that I feel like you might, you know, you might. You might read it and be completely bored your mind, but you might also read it and realize that there is more to superhero comics than, you know, punching and breaking buildings. I think it shows that there is a lot of potential for the for the genre, outside of what somebody might expect from, you know, from someone, you know, some robin running around in, you know, bikini shorts. Right. It's a I think that that might be eye opening to some folks. But again, it's a very talkie book. I know not everybody wants to read such such compressed dialog, but I guess I really don't have a good answer for that. Okay, well, you sticking a teen titans. That's fine, we'll do it. That's cool. The next question I have where you kind of addressed already on the show, but I have it written down, so I'm gonna fucking asking anyway. Your biggest pet peeve about collecting? My biggest pet peeve about or collectors in general, like, you know, just something that fucking drives you mad. You know, we talked about pay dues, talked about you know, we talked about having to go to go to a comic shop physically and and find things. I can't hold... against people who do order things online, but I feel like, like I mentioned, the hunt is part of the collecting process for me and I feel like I'm actually putting some skin in the game. I'm putting miles on the ground, I'm put leaving, leaving rubber on the ground here to go find things and dig and procure and you know, it's very easy to go on ebay or Amazon and click by it now and have it two or three, four days later. But I feel like there's it's not so much an art, but I think there's a passion that comes with the hunt and the fact that and it's I don't know if it's Catholic guilt or what, or just the the need to feel like I've actually paid dues on something to have it and to enjoy it, but for me that kind of fuels my my the hobby. For me, it's when I find out that I there's something that I'm missing, it's, you know, I get the big exclamation point over my head and it's and the hunt is on and I'm never going to be a buy it now person. I'm never going to be that guy and the fact that it is so easy for so many people that it does bother me in a way because for me it just never been that easy. It was never that wasn't that easy in the s. It wasn't that easy in the S and I refused to let it be that easy. Now it is more fun. You turned me on to that because I was buying a lot of stuff online. You like, come on, Guy, lame. You got to get out the weeds, you know, crawled around the animals to get your fingers there exactly to get your finger it is way more exciting, I gotta be honest. Oh, you know, going to a different place and you see something you've been looking for, searching for, holy cow, here it is compared, yeah, just sitting, you know, in your underwear scouring the Internet looking for a book and probably overpaying for it, to be honest, possible. Another problem with the sharp upping on Ebay or online in general. So, yeah, and and collecting is become like more of a boutique thing where, you know, you see people share their pictures of their you know, quote unquote, Shelf Porn. Oh, yeah, and you look at it and you look and everything has the same trade dress and everything looks like. What it looks like is you spent an afternoon on Amazon with your tax return and and you bought all the marvel omnibuses and you bought the the you know, the the big fat DC absolutes, and they look wonderful, they look beautiful on your shelves. But I'm looking at mine now and I've, you know, I've got DC trades with the warner books logo on them. You know, I think when you look at a when you look at a bookshelf that has mismatching spines and different trade dresses, that that set of shelves has a story. Yeah, there's a journ, there's the collector's journey in there. You know, I can tell you where I was when I picked up any of these. It wasn't me sitting on Amazon saying okay, Ed Card, Ed card, ed to God, Ed Card. Okay, there we go. I'm I just I just extinguished my tax return. Now we got and then I can post this picture on the Internet. It's very much like Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park. It didn't require any discipline to attain it. You know, you read what others had done and you'd and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility. Last question is something that I'm kind of embarrassed to ask. I don't even know why I wrote this fucking thing down, because it's the kind of question that, if I heard it in it boxers, okay, oh, hey, low sweet Cherryot. This was one of those things. If I'm in a combook shop and I hear people talking about this kind of Shit, I go, Oh, that's fucking lame. There's so lemon, lemon, lame Lobo and beat upolverine. Yeah, most what is this is all right, I'm having a hard time getting this out. What is the greatest superhero costume of all time? Oh Boy, Oh boy, that is that actually is a good question, you think. Oh...

No, absolutely, it absolutely is. That's design. All this look whatever, is something that means something to you. You know, spider man has an awesome costume. You know not. It seems like anything that came before, like one thousand nine hundred and seventy great costume. As for the best, though, boy, yeah, I love the I love the flash is costume. A yeah, the Barry Allen Flash, HAL Jordan's Green Lantern Costume, basically the classic costumes. I really couldn't pick a favorite, though. The silver age, silvery, and when you try to make flash like a spoils cat kind of with the red and the yellow and you know, and the seams. Yeah, well, now he's all surrounded by lightning all the time. They obscure them so bad. And you know, again the mirror the movies a little bit. They have to put like the the again, yeah, the seams or whatever, the stitch to us and they'll like show you that it is actually fabric. It's not like some really skin tight fucking SPANDEX or whatever. It's not a yeah, it's not an unstable molecules anymore. I was I was surprised you said that, cause I thought you just going to pick superman. You are a big superman fan. Is Og iconic, but not you go with a Flash and HAL Jordan, Hall and Barry So. But Hey, Chris, I want to thank you so much for being on taking the time to talk comics with me, which we do on the regular, but nown put it out on the air waves. This is a very special edition of selling out for me, being able to chew the fat and shoot the breeze with you again. Like I mentioned, nate will be back after the break to talk some Muse Ach. But yes, thank you very much, my friend. I appreciate it any time day. From the selling out show, here to tell you about spunk Loub. Spunk loub is a multi award winning mom can't use by professionals in the adult film industry. Spunk is available in hybrid pure silicone, natural and Pik. Spunk is made with the highest quality ingredients and is non stating, hypoellergenic and cleans with ease. Enhance your love life with spun. Right now. SPUNK LOUBE is by three, get one free. There's no excuse not to give it a try. SPUNK LOUB A high end product for an affordable price. Is it spunk lubecom today and you can thank me later. Dust up your lps. It's time for nate. No, no, Hey, there everybody. I know I promised Nate's notes, but I've kind of encountered a little bit of a problem. I can't seem to find the guy anywhere. I've been looking around, I've been up and down lefty day. What Dude, Dude, I've been here the whole fus in time. Man, Hey, there you are, whole time, dude. You telling people that I was on vacation drinking my tyes. I've literally been sitting here the whole time. You just never introduced me, so I just figured you didn't want to talk to me. You are stealthy, my friend. You are quiet. Wow, my bad. I really apologize for that. Hey, no problem, and you think you got some time. I do have in need's notes, if you you know. If you don't mind, I would love to hear it. H All right, cool man. So while back I did a piece on how I'm currently in a band that does a fair amount of covers of other people's music, which was an unexpected move after basically shunning the concept of cover versions throughout my whole musical life playing in bands. I never saw the point of playing a song that already existed when the possibilities of writing original material are pretty the endless and, to me, far more exciting. The thing that...

...changed my mind and got me interested was the way one can change these songs up so the listener can recognize what is being played, sing along even, but the song sort of has a different energy, something new and unique. A lot of covers are done this way, and that's how we usually do it in my current band, the tribe. Of course, there's a definite skill involved in recreating the exact sound of the original material, and audiences do enjoy hearing something familiar, but doing a cover your own way makes that familiar piece into something not just new and interesting for the listener, but it adds a sense of ownership for the performer. Plus it just makes a sometimes old and maybe overplayed song new again. One of my favorite bands when I was younger was the pseudo goth electro pop British act to pesh mode. They right great, catchy yet dark songs and use interesting Chord progressions, mostly in minor keys. A while back I found for the masses, a great tribute album of depech mode songs covered by a lot of different acts that sound really nothing like to peesh mode s alternative bands like mashing Pumpkins, Veruca, salt and failure present their takes on their respective song choices, replacing synthesizers and drum machines with Jangly guitars and more traditional rock structures. The German Weirdos in Romstein turn the spaced out love song stripped into a weird, heavy industrial banger. There are electronic bands like rabbit in the moon and meat beat manifesto, who turn their tracks into tripped out, danceable anthems. The whole album serves as not just a tribute to a classic band, but also as a collection of really interesting music on its own. Again, it's called for the masses a tribute to to petch mode, and I would definitely recommend checking it out, whether you like to petch mode or not. Now for our recommended song this episode, I chose to highlight a band who are great at what they do. The easy star all stars embody that concept of taking familiar music and truly making it their own. It's easy to just cover a song and let its familiarity and original qualities do the work for you. The easy star all stars not only work to make their interpretations unique and great songs in their own right, working primarily in the genre of DUB or Reggae, but they put as much passion into the myriad covers they do as they do into the original work they started releasing a few years back. To be honest, when I chose the song airbag, a radiohead cover off their radio dread album. It was pretty random simply because I wanted to just recommend the whole album and air bag is the first song on it. Honestly, the whole record is great, featuring some collaborations with great artists like toots in the maytalls, mad professor, citizen Cope and the Great Kirsty Rock. Air Bag features guest vocals from Horace Andy, who I know from his work with trip hop pioneers massive attack. Easy Star have also released their take on pink Floyd's dark side of the moon, retitled dub side of the moon, and an album called easy stars lonely hearts dub band, which is pretty self explanatory. It's all really impressive work and you should do yourself a favor and check it all out, including their original...

...material. Anyway, here's a sample of the air bag cover I mentioned from the radio dread record, and then in a Jack Knight Chapter. Uh, I am fun. Anyway, great stuff, as I said, check them out. It's quality stuff in my opinion. But Dave, what, what do you think about it? I was not a fan of this particular tune. Yeah, I'm not a big reggae fan to begin with. Okay, I mean, of course I love radio had but this, this particular Ditty, was not my cup of tea. I think you know, you mentioned the singer's name is Horace Andy Horse or its and the okay, he wasn't. I really didn't appreciate his style either. Right on. So I can understand that it's kind of an acquired style, vocal style, but yeah, it wasn't for me. I can see the appeal of it to others, but again, just for me, you know. And that's kind of unfortunate too, because you mentioned that. You know, they cover the entire album. I only listen to that track because it kind of turned me off to well anymore. Yeah, man, that that is unfortunate, just because there's so much variety in it's not all just the straight, like upstroke reggae like keep. It's not all that. It's like they do some interesting things on other tracks. Like it's interesting. I kind of wish I had chosen paranoid android because, first of all it features Kirsty rock on vocals, who's a friend of a friend, as as will say, and so that would have been cool, right. Yeah, I didn't real election there. But but is, yeah, style like different. Is it better? Yes, man, yeah, yeah, man, it's I mean every song is unique. So it's like the different artist that come in, whether it's a different vocalist and, like I said, toots in the maids halls are on on a track, but the yeah, like it's they each song is totally I would recommend at least checking out like, say, the paranoid android yeah version, or if there's any songs that you're particularly fond of from okay computer. I don't know. You know, I that whole as really like in phenomenal. Absolutely, but you know so, I mean don't be turned off by that one. Like I said, I just randomly kind of pick that and and I also, like I said, recognized Horace Andy's name from his work with and I like the work he does with massive attack. But so I was kind of, I don't know, whatever it's, it's everyone's tastes are different. Subjective. I did, is what it is. You don't have to defend yourself to me. You DIG IT, other people diget. That's fine. Again, it just wasn't for me. But you know what, right now that you mentioned the the other vocalist, I might have to go back and give it another crack just to see. Yeah, you know what's up with the other songs? Yeah, Dude. Yeah, man, it's definitely worth checking out, like I said, Dude. Also, their dub side of the moon record is is really good to like my favorite pink Floyd Song has always been us in them, a great song, Great Dude, and their version of us in them is like pretty damn good, man. It's it's yeah. So, anyway, just just, you know, thrown out songs here. You know, I like me, like them. Hey, one thing I appreciate when it comes to cover bands is having a more unique take on the original song. And it's funny to me actually, you mentioned that to pesh mode tribute record. Yeah, I in the S, in the early Os. Yeah, there was so many fucking like tribute cover CDs. It seemed like we were fucking bombarded with them. Yeah, man, there was one for like every fucking band on the face of the earth. And then again, if it's a run of the mill cover, don't call me, let me alone, right. I want to hear something different,...

...something more unique again, like a different style or whatever the case may be. But otherwise, you know what's the point of hearing a cover when the original is fine the way it is. Absolutely I totally agree, man, I I that was basically my whole point in this is that that whole album of the pet mode covers are so unique. It's it's got that familiar little thing that you're like, I know those lyrics, I know that basic melody, but it's a totally different style and definitely worth checking out. So that, as we talked about, easy star for a good length of time. But yeah, that to pesch mode tribute album is as you mentioned, there's countless tribute projects tribute albums out to check out, and but these are just a couple things that I was into. So so, anyway, now I had a question for you. Go ahead. How about your own band, the tribe? Yeah, when you do cover songs, right, I imagine if you would like playing like a fucking bar mit smote or something. Yep, you gotta play a Pretty Standard Yeah, but you guys deviate with your covers. You kind of like try to open up, you know, a new avenue of the way the songs played. Absolutely, Man, I we I think just the fact that that we have certain instruments that are somewhat unconventional to the covers we do, because we'll do we'll do some standard classic rock covers from, you know, credence clear water songs to Jimmy Hendricks to the Beatles and all that. But but we're doing them. Say, see, instead of Jimmy Hendrix doing a Guitar Solo, we've got a violin player who may add some effects on his violin and rock out and it's totally new. It's a psychedelic sort of think. We have a mandolin player who does the same thing. He'll he'll play the mandolin with like a slide, you know, and up the fretboard and and a Wah Wah pedal on a Mandolin. You know, he's right. So just the instrumentation is different. But yeah, well, coincidentally, we actually do a cover of for what it's worth, by by Buffalo Springfield and that, you know, stop, Hey, what's that sound? Everybody, look what's going down that song. We do a cover of that, but in reference to easy star, we do it kind of in a reggae style, which is, you know, it changes it up. So okay, but I need a zoo player. Oh Man, dude, we're open for anything. Sometimes play a mean Kazoo. Sometimes we hand out hands percussion to different people in the crowd just if as long as you can sort of keep a beat, they know jump in. Man, we're open. We have a pretty revolving roster of people. So it's it keeps it interesting and it's yeah, we try to keep the covers interesting as well. So look out, baby, here comes David Shulton, is killer Kazoo. So now, children, your homework these next two weeks is to check out the song dot in the sky by the Los Angeles Dark Wave Group Drab Majesty and Wow. Yeah, they're they're good. Bad Man. I I don't want to say too much you as usual. Right put, I'll put a link up on the old facebook page and the next episode we'll get into it. But you know, it's yeah, I have a feeling you might like this one. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot or set up some false hope for you know whether you're gonna like it, but I feel like this one might be somewhat up your alley. I don't know, but we're going to find out, baby. Well, the one way to find out. I canna listen that son a bitch. Yeah, man, I feel like I've been having a pretty low batting average. Man, is a lot of these weeks I'm like, this song's not really a cup of tea. Huh. So, maybe one of these weeks will hit one. But well, you're in a cover bandy take requests. Hey Man, maybe one of these weeks I can throw a little a little pinch a spice and a stew. H Yeah, yeah, I'd be down all right. Cool. Hey, and you mentioned the facebook page. Yes, sir,... I of course I have to promote our social media. Yes, and if you ever want to follow the selling out show, you can do so on twitter at selling out show. The facebook page when nate post the music videos and stuff, is at selling out one, and that's only because I fucked up our facebook page to begin with. Yeah, yeah, and they like blocked it because they thought I was a bot or something. Oh Man. Yeah, so we had to put the one at the end because I finally get it right the second time. So you can blame that on me. By the people out there goes, why the fuck is that one, this and that one? All, it's because Dave's a fucking moron, right. That's why. So give me a swift kick in the ASS, and that's fine. We also did an email address selling out show at GMAILCOM. And there's a fucking phone number, but I can't remember it. I'm too lazy to look it up. So get get your yellow pages out, try to find us all. Good stuffy, but nay, I'm really sorry that this whole time you've been sitting in the corner. Yeah, man, well, I've been having a grand old fucking hoot nanny over here. That's my bad and I'm never going to forget you again. It's all right, man. I enjoyed watching you guys. You have good chemistry. Yeah, your Voya, yes, that's you. Wow, that's right, caky motherfucker, creepy best in the corner. We can get to that next time around, but for now we got to hit the road. I want to thank each and every one of you for tuning in. Virtual hugs for all of you. We appreciate it. I am Dave. That is nate, and this has been selling out. Why? Infirmary media? It's very much like Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park. Never say, I'm well, I know you didn't by inserting. I'm inserting clip right now. From the kids. DWANT sue keep your whole family connected on all their devices with crowd pleasing gig speed Internet from expinity. Now that's simple, easy awesome. Go Online, call one a hundred excinity or visit today. Restriction supply, actual speed very and not guaranteed. 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