Selling Out Show
Selling Out Show

Episode 30 · 3 years ago

Ep.#30 Mexican Marmalade


On this episode of the Selling Out Show, our esteemed hosts end up touching on topics related to the entertainment media.
After Dave tells us about his somewhat frustrating recent trip to Mexico, Nate brings up the fabled days of Saturday morning cartoons, a phenomenon that’s long since dead and gone. After that, we get a history lesson on the origins of that ever present movie theater snack, popcorn.
The show comes to a close after a somewhat dark one-two punch of segments focusing on the darker aspects of celebrity and entertainment. We hear about the current state of Comedian Artie Lange, who’s getting out of a short stint in jail, after years of struggling with addiction and mental illness. And finally, Nates Notes looks at some of those musicians who have succumbed to the demons influencing their saddest work.

0:53- Dave’s resting vacation face
5:11- Saturday morning memories
11:56- History of a popular theater treat
17:16- Artie Lange’s skid bid
27:30- Nate’s Notes (musician suicides)
40:44- Clip: New Dawn Fades by Joy Division

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...with it, and so we had to use the downstairs plumbing and share a bathroom with her mother, which was an absolute fucking nightmare. So I went from being afraid of almost being hit by large vehicles to having to share the crapper yeah, with an Old Lady, which fun. Yes, no, not fun again. ME. My wife fought every step of the way, because here's here's the thing. I am a miserable fucking prick when I'm away from home, the comforts of home. Yeah, understandably, a lot of people say it the like Oh, I get grumpy if I'm not my own bed and my own shower, but I mean I wear it on my face. And the thing is, my wife knows me so well that even when I'm keeping it inside and I'm trying my fucking damnedest to be like, okay, I'm not going to say anything or ruin anybody else's time. She just looks at me and she's like up, vacations fucking ruined. I see your face, motherfucker. I see how miserable you are, and you know she gets in on me about that. I'm like, well, give me a fucking break, I'm in Mexico, I'm tired, I'm hot, come on now. So, yeah, but by survived I'm alive. Obviously I'm here talking to you today, which I am very pleased about. I'm very happy. But Mexico in itself, I've mentioned before, is a beautiful country, a wonderful place to visit. If you haven't, you should do so. Yes, don't listen to the fucking news and think it's all you know, migrant storming the castle or something, which is all a fucking propaganda, absolute shit tool is, hopefully any intelligent person would know. So yeah, definitely, if you ever get a chance, go to Mexico. It is an experience. Just don't go with me, right because you have the resting vacation face. Dave, I was thinking back to a beloved aspect of our childhood that I feel like kids are missing out on today. And it's another thing that I'm conflicted about. But but to get into it, the concept of Saturday morning cartoons. Oh, okay, sure, I was hoping you weren't going to say crack. No, man, I was. I was passed that by by the time I was old enough to be into Saturday morning cartoons, I was done with crack. But you know, crack baby. But Yeah, man, Saturday morning cartoons. I part of me, a large part of me, is I've mentioned this before. Another shows I understand that technology nowadays and broadcasting nowadays, makes Saturday morning cartoons, like so many other beloved things from our childhood, obsoletely right there. Yeah, man, because who needs Saturday morning cartoons with five crappy channels where you don't have really any choice? You know, you have the choice between three or four show can watch it whenever the fuck you want. Now it doesn't matter. You stream anything anytime, right. So no appointment viewing anymore, you know, absolutely. You know, the best we had back then was maybe a VCR and that was as close as we got to on demand viewing. You could record it and then watch it at your convenience later. Yeah, we thought we had it so good, but but man, I remember if so many fun memories of way King Up. It was the only thing that got me up on a weekend because I was always the type to sleep I'm still the type that if you give me the the chance, I will, I will sleep in. You know it means. Yeah. So as a kid I looked forward to Saturday mornings. You Get up, you have your bowl as sugary cereal or whatever. Oh Yeah, man, you watch I don't even know what. I really and I really want remember what you were watching, for you have fun memories of nothing, well, a lot of the serious. Dude, I missed the cereal. I still eat sugary cereals, but but I'm old. My idea of a sugary cereal nowadays is honey bunch's votes.

You know all the wild man, you're fucking rebel. You know me, but we're someone with frosting on one side and regular on the other side. The kind of proster mini weats? Yeah, the mini weets. What a fucking rip off is that? It's like one side is like you think you're eating healthy, but then you flip it over and it's like absolutely and some do. Some of them don't even get it. Have you ever gotten jipped and you get a fucking girl? You get a whole mini weat with none on it, like they missed that one. Okay, you Lufa. Yeah, you've seen a loof out of it yet, of a shower, you like, whe the fuck's my sugar? Yeah, Hey, you know what, can I tell you something, because you just made a memory comes shirling back to my brain real quick. Yeah, is when I was a little kid and I watch Saturday morning cartoons. My mom went to sleep in and my brother was really little. I don't even think he was fully toddler yet. He's probably like one and a half to you, however old you are, to crawl right. I should know that. I have a son, but I can't even remember when he started fucking moving around. But Anyway, he would start crying and I took him out of his crib and I set him down somewhere, and then I did I plunked in front of the TV with a bowl sterials. Are Watching cartoons, and then next thing I know, like a half an hour later, there is a knock on the door. My mother wakes up, she comes to the door and it was a policeman holding my brother. Oh my head. I don't out. He got out and there was a construction site down the road. He escaped somehow and I who boy, my mom was fucking pissed and if you did that nowadays she probably would have been arrested absolutely for sleeping in, for sleeping in and having a fucking lazy kid who just wanted to watch some fucking cat tuns right. Oh yeah, that was but I remember that in that and thanks to you, yeah, you're you reminded me how bad of a brother and human being I truly am. See that, man, but I tell you, I think the first nail in the Saturday morning cartoons coffin that I noticed was when they started playing after school, the sort of Disney afternoon where there was shows like ducktails and Tailspin gummy bears and all these shows that would be yeah, and after school you get home and those so you didn't have to just look forward to because kids got chipped. Man, Saturday morning. I'm glorifying the concept to Saturday morning cartoons because it was a beloved thing in my past, but honestly, that's all we got. You know, they were like yeah, I welcome, give them like four hours. I'm yeah, you get the block. That's and, like you said, there wasn't anything on in the afternoon, especially in the early s, and the stuff. So that's what you got and you were anticipating. I'll week you like no school. I can just fucking sit home and watch my shit. And for me that inspired me for the rest of my life, because that's how I got introduced the superheroes. All right on. That's what did it for me. Like I saw the amazing spider man and his friends and the incredible hulk, and then, you know, watching those cartoons, I walked into a candy store my ot one day saw hulk comic, thought hey, that looks cool. I seen him on TV before. Yeah, and the rest is history. And I'm a forty one year old guy with a fucking boatload of comics and useless information just roll around in my Noggin. Yeah, so Saturday morning cartoons maybe something in the past. It doesn't exist anymore, but the results, in the ripple effect of it has lasted to this day. This summer, you want to beat the heat, not your budget. Plus, with all the activities outside, people having fun, they don't want to be around a filthy smoker. They to sees, is perfect for quitting cigarettes, and the best way to do that is by visiting the Fine Folks Down at Northland Vapor Company. They make it easy to shop for E liquent supplies and more, with three retail locations and so far going North Dakota, warhead and BMIDGIE MINNESOTA. Or, if you're still working on that beach bod, visit their website at Northland vaporcom. All of their products are dike, tone and artificial...

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...the goodness. Vendors began selling popcorn to the people outside of the theater allowing for a double profit off the simple passerby and film goers alike. The snack was everywhere. Soon vendors could, for a small fee, sell popcorn in the lobby directly to people entering the theater. Movie Theater owners began to cut out the street vendors and sell popcorn themselves. Theaters that refuse to change with the times and have their own popcorn makers suffered as the cheap snack became in demand. So there you go. That's interesting information. Man, I always wondered about that, because what a bizarrely specific treat to eat, you know, of all the things you could eat. I guess, I guess it makes sense. It's cheap, it's tasty, it's addictive and, yeah, I guess. I guess it's not horrible for you, except when they covered and tons of fake butter. No, it's bad for you. Yeah, it's better to pick their stuff out of your teeth and try and try, yeah, visiting the restroom the following day after gobbling up so much popcorn. But there you go. Is Basically because, you know, the talkies came around and people were suffering from the Great Depression and they needed something cheap to snack on. So that's why popcorn is now the most popular snack in theaters across not even America, across the world. So you're welcome that. Yeah, thanks for that little kernel of information. So, Arty Lang is a celebrity. He's median, he's an actor, he was on the Howard Stern show for years, but he's also had a pretty well documented, well publicized issue with addiction and it's gotten to a point where fans of his in this day and age are definitely let into with social media and things like that, we're all led into celebrities personal lives a bit. Yeah, it's it's bizarre, man. So Arty Lang is about to be released to a program, a recovery program, Halfway House, whatever, after twenty one days in jail in New Jersey. It's strange how, as a celebrity, all your misdeeds and problems get like literally broadcast everywhere in the like I said, in these days of social media, it's I know this concept has been gone into before, like you had Lindsay Lohan constantly fucking up back in the day and Brittany Spears had her breakdown. You remember that hours shaved her head and was attacking A. I'm Rena. She had the fucking umbrella rage as sure. Yeah, so, I mean it tons of cases of the shit, but but ARTI's case is specific Lee and opiate addiction one and it's super familiar to me. All the in and out of jail and drug programs and telling people you're doing grade and then everyone finds how you got arrested again the next day. Right, and and plus I used to listen to him cohosting Howard sterns show like every day. So you get to know a guy and even on that show his addiction was like a big issue, dude, and especially at the end, obviously, like, I don't know if you know the story. They like he he looked, tried to kill himself and ended up in a psych unit back then when he got, you know, at the end of his tenure. I did not know. I didn't know. I didn't know, like, I'm not. You said you follow him in the stuff. Yeah, I don't, and I wasn't Howard stern listener. Maybe I was familiar with him because he was with norm McDonald on like dirty work. You got a dad hooker in the truck, yes, you know, and that kind of stuff, and then again with social media. I saw a video recently of him like dumping gas. Oh, yeah, you know. Yeah,...

I'm sorry, I'm not going to like mince words here, but he looked like fucking dog shit. Yes, yes, like his face was really misformed and everything, and I was like it must be the cocaine. But there's I think about like someone like Stevie Nicks. Yeah, it's you know, Stevie Nicks had all the problems with coke, but she still like pretty good and she's still has like a nose on her face. You know right. Well, the thing with arty's nose he's actually more of a an open like specificly and opiate use. I'm sure he does his sheriff coke, but I guess all the snorting he did was basically heroin, like he was. I don't think he ever moved to needles, from what I understand, but he yeah, his nose is basically gone. The inside of his nose, what holds your nose together and gives it a shape, is just gone. The septem yeah, it's just been eating away. He there's stories going on that he got punched in the face, which exacerbated it. Like the the structure was already weakened by all the drug use and so a punch in the face kind of sealed the deal. But but then there's stories that he snorted something that had broken glass in it or some crazy shide. I don't know, but he looks fucked up. But Dude, back in the day when he was on the starn shown, he tried to kill himself. He ended up in this psych unit and Howard was all weirded out about it, like you talked about on the show. He was all conflicted because Howard stern is kind of like a socially Awkward Guy Anyway. So it really got real and personal and and he like just kind of washed his hands of the guy after a while. So, but dude, the interesting thing, like I remember when already admitted he had an issue on the air on the show for the first time. Huh, and it was crazy, like he so there was this game show thing going on like that Howard does, where this time it was a bunch of homeless, you like a bunch of bums, and they had him come up. I'm sure they gave him money whatever, but they would ask them questions or played some game and basically exploiting these dudes, you know, but sure, but they were all like fuck out there, you're paying me, I'm not worried about it, like I'm already homeless. Will you know? So? But Dude, this one guy, one of the homeless guys, was saying, I'm gonna be six soon. I got a dope habit or whatever, and aready goes, Oh, have you tried these? He had like some boxing's on them, like the substitute, you know, yeah, method own or whatever, some box. I've mentioned them before and they were kind of new back then. This was years ago, but it was funny because he just blurts this out on in the middle of this funny segment and all of a sudden it's like Robin and the Howard on the show. The hosts are like what the fuck, what the fuck, like and he basically just admitted that he used and but oh, I'm on somebox soon or subutext or whatever. He was on one. I'm okay, now I'm yeah, it's basically yeah, yeah, he's like whatever, so I'm good, it's under control. But Dude, then he'd always be nodding off on the show and it got really weird and awkward and yeah, Doude it. It ended with him trying to kill himself like and yeah, I was just a really fucked up sort of sort of issue and very personal and very, yeah, very strange, but it but anyway, I hope the best for him. He's supposedly getting out, as I said, of jail. You just spent a little twenty one days with us addicts and ex cons would call a skid bid. They call it a skid did when you just do a little short bid like that. And I guess a baticles a little skin. Yeah, just do quickly. Yeah, Fun, Funny Story, man. There was this one guy that I knew that was in jail and or he was at court. He had he was in jail with me. They...

...brought him to court to get sentenced or whatever, and the judge said something like, you know, I'll give you thirty days for this or bub. The Guy Goes, oh, dude, I'll do thirty days standing on my hood making some made some comment. I think he said it to either as lawyer or the inmate next to him, but the dude, the judge heard it and he goes, well, here's another thirty to get you right side up or some shit. And gave them a double set. Like yeah, so you got a fucking comedy hour in the fucking court room at right everybody had a bunch of singers, you know. So, yeah, man, but but, like I said, I hope the best for AARTI laying in. Man, it's a long struggle, especially when you have that kind of like you said, you saw him. You saw footage of him working at gas station. That's the story, is that he was at some halfway house and he had to get a normal job as part of his program and so, yeah, he was pumping gas. There was some other job I guess he was doing, but but whatever. Yeah, that's great. He's kind of like, you know, you brought up some of the bigger celebrities, Lindsay Lor and and Brittany Spears. You know, he's much on the smaller scale. I know what her tears are named, right. You know if he's like a blister or ce list or dealist or whatever. Yeah, but, like you mentioned, with social media everything, someone can just fucking run up to you with her phone, yeah, record you. And you know, for him he's getting nowhere to hide, he's got nowhere to go and unfortunately, again he was unrecognizable to me. Yeah, and I had to like check the source. I'm like, is it really that fucking guy? Already leg I don't look like no fucking Artylan. He did different. Yeah, but the drugs will the man. You know what, I know it. They will fuck you up so hard. And this guy's been living in this fish as cycle now for how many years? Right, I mean, I again, I wasn't a fan of the show. So when did this thing happen with this to box? It's a ten years ago, five years? Yeah, at least, no more than more than ten. He's been off the show probably for close to ten years ago, over five years. Yeah, so he's he's still fucking struggling. And Yeah, you know, you know, he must have no money. He might, you know. I mean everything else, all the all the fame, all the notor righty he did taste or have a little bit of, wasn't enough to defeat the the addictions in his life. And that's a shame. Team. But that's too bad because as one of those things we always think, Oh, if I could be rich, if I could be famous, if I can have all these things, everything would be okay, right, everything would finally be all right, and it's not the that's not the way it works with a lot of people. Well, let's you know, I'm not a religious guy, but I'm not so I'm not going to say a prayer, but I'll keep, you know, the the addicts that are still suffering. At meetings they always say, you know, keep the addicts that are still sick and suffering in your in your thoughts, and hope, hope, that people can get it me, because it's a shitty lifestyle. One said I kidnapped my best friend's baby and sold it for Angel Dust. Then he sat down. Okay, that was followed by the longest pause in the history of man. Then this is exactly what the counsel said. Andrew took a sip of coffee and she goes like this. Are they feedback day from the selling out show? Here to tell you about spunk loube. Spunk loube is a multi award winning mom can't use by professionals in the adult film industry. Spunk is available in hybrid pure silicone, natural and pick spunk is made with the highest quality ingredients and is non stating, Hypo allergenic and cleans with ease and hands your love life with spunk. Right now. SPUNK LOUBE is by three, get one free. There's no excuse not to give it a try. SPUNK LOUB A high end product for an affordable price, is it? Spunk loubcom today and you can thank me later. Dust up your lps. It's time for...

...nate. No, no. Musicians can be emotional people. Something about that creative spirit and the desire and ability to put feelings into words and then set them to appropriate melodies. Often a songwriter can capture feelings that the listener identifies with completely but maybe couldn't express personally. This is a big part of a songwriter's value. Sure, music can entertain, it can make you forget your daily grind and move you to dance or even bang around in a mosh pit, but for some of us the best songs are the ones that convey powerful emotion, whether it's the powerful feelings of love and hope or the pain of love lost in the agony of grief. I don't know why, but I always been drawn to the sad at her songs and ballads. Even as a young child. I had parents that were always big music fans. My mother not only used to bump billy Joel and Dan Fogelberg, while she did house cleaning and other tasks around the house, but she would often sing me songs when I was going to bed as a little kid. I loved it and she had a great voice, but for some reason, when she would ask what Song I wanted to hear her serenade me with, I would always say sing me the sad song. The sad song in question was what'll I do, a song that was apparently written by Irving Berlin in one thousand nine hundred and twenty three, but it had been re recorded by everyone from Frank Sinatra to Judy Garland, and old standard, but a sad, mournful one. Some of the lyrics are what'll I do with just a photograph to tell my troubles to when I'm alone, with only dreams of you that won't come true. What'll I do not exactly your usual Lullaby for kids, but even at that young age I loved the raw feelings of the lyrics and mostly the minor key in which it was sung. Just quickly years later, but still as a boy, I saw an episod so of the golden girls, where Dorothy as played by B Arthur sings what'll I do at a bar accompanied by a guy on the piano. You can find the scene on youtube. It's actually a pretty great little performance, but anyway. So yeah, as I grew into my teens, I slid into the Goth scene pretty seamlessly with my penchant fur downer sort of tunes and my interest in black clothes. I've spoken before about discovering nine inch nails, the gateway drug for people getting into industrial and Goth Music. Trent resner from nach nails was a guy who basically made his career out of being hurt by nameless lovers and wrote primarily about how sad he was. Mr Resner seems to have come out of his years long funk looking less like the frail, drug adult Waif of a man he started as and more like a healthy, almost bodybuilder type in his older years. His music served its purpose in my teen years, simultaneously helping me feel slightly less alone and prompting me to focus more on those darker emotions. My own forays into songwriting ended up being as one note as nine inch nails is. Early albums,...

...although admittedly less well written. Emotions are tough for a teenager or young adult. The hormones are surging, social clicks are forming and relationships seem like the most important thing in the world. It's easy to write sad music when you're going through all that. I tend to kind of laugh at those bands who continue to pump out woe is me material long after they break through into the mainstream success and public adulation. But of course there are people that struggle with genuine depression, and some of them are musicians. So when is it a matter of someone just cashing in on easy subject matter, and when is it simply a medium to truly try to exercise those sad demons that really are plaguing a person? Unfortunately, sometimes it's hard to tell until it's too late. I never liked the band Lincoln Park. They seemed very manufactured and polished. The music was very trendy and paint by numbers, but their singer, Chester Bennington, who seemed to be one of those guys perpetually writing about how sad and awkward he felt, actually killed himself a few years back. I was never a fan of his, but the story is a sad one and I hate seeing people fall prey to self destruction like that, especially when they have a family, as I guess he did. His suicide followed another similar situation in which Chris Cornell of sound garden in Temple of the dog fame took his own life in a hotel after playing a show about an hour prior in Temple of the dog. Chris Cornell basically wrote songs as a tribute to a close friend and fellow Seattle musician, Andy Wood, who himself died of a heroin overdose. Chris's lyrics are so evocative that I almost tear up still when I hear the temple song say hello to heaven. No one as of yet has put a band together and tribute to Mr Cornell in the vein of what he did for Andy would, but his loss is definitely still felt in the music community. A common thread among these deaths seems to be addiction. Being an addict myself, it's not hard to imagine feeling so trapped and hopeless that the only way out seems to be suicide. I spent a long time in that frame of mind, but I just never had the drive to actually go through with it. Addiction is a life of enslavement and with that comes self hatred and a lot of shame. You can't be there for loved ones much of the time and you lie and you do a lot of shitty things. You make stupid choices even when deep down you don't want to. Like you're on a ride, not completely in control of your own actions, and it's easy to get sucked into that feeling that the only way out of that shitty roller coaster ride is to destroy the roller coaster itself. Imagine being Kurt Cobain, feeling that hopeless when you're possibly the most famous and influential person on the planet. His actions confounded a lot of fans, but I have no problem seeing why he did what he did. I wish he never did, but I understand it. Elliott Smith was another Indie rock songwriter with a history of addiction and depression. He started in the band heat miser, but he really shone when he went solo. His music is sad and quiet, largely acoustic,...

...and his tender, frail voice is unmistakable. Smith actually got an academy award when his Song Miss Misery was featured in the film good will hunting. Back in one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight but accolades mean little when one is struggling with not only addiction but severe depression and Adhd, as he was. The primary story of Elliott Smith's death is that he stabbed himself in the heart back in two thousand and three while he was at the apartment he shared with his girlfriend, which, after years of struggling with his mental health issues, doesn't seem that far fetched. But technically, the autopsy results were in conclusive as to whether his death was self inflicted or a homicide. He stabbed himself twice, and, after all, one would really have to be dedicated to stab oneself in the chest not once but twice. Imagine the pain of just doing it that first time. Jesus, there have been tons of suicide by famous musicians. I realize I'm just scratching the surface here. Even painters, artists and writers throughout history have succumbed to those dark urges. Sadly, a lot of the most creative minds are often the troubled ones. I think it's just a common side effect of being an artist. Obviously not everyone has that creative spirit. The human mind is fascinating and some work differently than others. A common trait of depressive people is that they get stuck ruminating on thoughts. I know I've had lots of episodes where I just get stuck thinking about something and someone will catch me just standing in the dark staring into space for like minutes on end. It often impedes normal day to day life, but that sort of obsessive spirit is often helpful when it comes to realizing a creative endeavor or getting a song or piece of art just right. So, before wrapping this up, I want to discuss Ian Curtis. Ian and his band joy division were instrumental in formulating and popularizing the sound of Post punk and even inspiring the goth sound. Ian Curtis struggled from a chronic and progressive case of epilepsy. Some say that his bizarre and spastic on stage dancing while fronting joy division seemed similar and possibly inspired by his epileptic fits and seizures. Ian would try different medications, which in turn caused mood swings and led him to drink and smoke too much. When his daughter was born, he was rarely allowed to even hold her for fear that he would go into a seizure and drop her. Eventually, playing in the band became an issue as well. On stage lighting effects and even certain percussion sounds would trigger the epilepsy. All this was made more tragic by the fact that joy division were becoming a really popular band in England. Things should have been great, but IAN's personal health was keeping him from really succeeding. After his relationship fell apart and with his condition worsening more and more, he finally hanged himself while listening to an IGGY pop record in his flat. I don't know why that's relevant, but it's part of the legend so I'm mentioning it. Joy Division were a unique band, not for everyone, but undeniably they were doing something different for the time.

When Ian Curtis died, the rest of the band went on as the largely popular, though in my opinion, underwhelming, new order. Ian Curtis's story is a tragic one. To finish off and all to depressing installment of needs notes, let's go have a picnic together in the sun and listen to some mindless, happy pop music to try to wash off such a depressing topic. Although we can't have our little picnic and listen to mindless pop music yet, Dave, because we have to throw a little clips so the listeners who didn't get a chance to listen to our suggested songs past week and can check out a little snippet of it this this song is one of Ian Curtis's sad dirges, if you will. It's called new Dun Fades and you can hear a section. But Anyway, man, yeah, so I feel dark. I feel I feel think, yeah, dude, it's a depressing coming. Not only where we talking about already lang, but now a're going into all this. It's well they I will say, per usual, fantastic piece with some excellent research. So thank you very much for that. And I mentioned, and I feel like we said this a lot this show, like we've said this before. We've said this, but I have mentioned this in the past. I like listening to these as much as anybody else, if not more, so I get to sit back and hear your pieces, the nates notes, and they're fantastic. So good job. Thank you, man. Thanks he lout. So I don't know, I I think that I feel. I feel kind of bad man that we're we're wrapping up us with some dark segments. We didn't wrap it up yet, but do you still have to tell people what they need to listen to prior to next episodes. NATES notes and I hope, hope, it has something to do with like ice cream music from like the ice cream man or something, or I don't even like. What's popular now, Kapop, with those with in. Yeah, what are they? I don't want to say what I'm thinking that. Yeah, but they they're like lady boys. Oh, yes, yes, lady boys. That's what they called him out there. Man really hit us with some lady Boy Music. That please, wow. Well, I'm not going to go that far, but I will. I I've been getting into this one album, so I'm gonna the whole album is great. The band has a bizarre named. They're called the easy star all stars. So Shady. Yeah, the easy star all stars. They're a band of reggae and dub musicians that primarily do really interesting covers of other people's music and they put out a whole album called radio dread and it's technically a cover of the okay computer album from radiohead. So I'm going to suggest the first track from the okay computer album by radiohead, but as covered by the easy star all stars. So we'll put a link to this, but the song is called Air Bag by the easy star all stars and, as I said, I'll post a link to it on facebook and will hopefully make it easy for you guys to listen to it. But if if not, will play a little clip next week, I'm sure, our next episode. I'm sorry. Yeah, you know what, though, you're throwing out the curveballs here with the cover or cover stuff the band's because I'm like radio head. Wait, was this other band called again the easy star all stars? Yeah, I'm never I'm not familiar with them, so very interested in checking this out. So, even with that little curveball you through, you actually gave me a nice little segue point..., because you're going to post it on social media and that's an easy way to find the show or communicate with us. You can find us on twitter at selling out show, on facebook selling out show one. You can drop us a voicemail at seven seven four seven and one thousand nine hundred and ninety three, or an email, which seems so antiquated now, doesn't it? I'm gonna send you an email, but you can and as a selling out show at GMAILCOM. So as long as you know the name of the show. You can pretty much fucking find that's anywhere. So I like to say easy peasy lemon squeezy. That's I get that tattooed on my gut because that's where Nice, that's for the easy peasy lemonade, goes anyway. And I made no sense whatsoever. Yeah, I got to get the fuck out of here. Before I do, I want to thank each and every one of you for listening. Virtual hugs for all of you. We love you, we appreciate it. We had nothing without you checking out the damn show, so big thumbs up. I am Dave. That is nate, and this has been selling out infirmary media. How to show up with cocacola energy. You're tired and you're thinking of canceling on your friends. Don't do it. Every time you cancel on a friend, a Unicorn loses its horn and becomes a regular horse. Do you really want that on your contents? Instead, grab an ice cold can of cocacola energy with delicious coke taste and reinvigorating energy. Keep the UNICORNS alive. Show up every day with cocacola energy. Energy you want taste, you love. How to show up with cocacola energy. 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