Selling Out Show
Selling Out Show

Episode 30 · 2 years ago

Ep.#30 Mexican Marmalade


On this episode of the Selling Out Show, our esteemed hosts end up touching on topics related to the entertainment media.
After Dave tells us about his somewhat frustrating recent trip to Mexico, Nate brings up the fabled days of Saturday morning cartoons, a phenomenon that’s long since dead and gone. After that, we get a history lesson on the origins of that ever present movie theater snack, popcorn.
The show comes to a close after a somewhat dark one-two punch of segments focusing on the darker aspects of celebrity and entertainment. We hear about the current state of Comedian Artie Lange, who’s getting out of a short stint in jail, after years of struggling with addiction and mental illness. And finally, Nates Notes looks at some of those musicians who have succumbed to the demons influencing their saddest work.

0:53- Dave’s resting vacation face
5:11- Saturday morning memories
11:56- History of a popular theater treat
17:16- Artie Lange’s skid bid
27:30- Nate’s Notes (musician suicides)
40:44- Clip: New Dawn Fades by Joy Division

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You know all the wild man,you're fucking rebel. You know me, but we're someone with frosting on oneside and regular on the other side. The kind of proster mini weats?Yeah, the mini weets. What a fucking rip off is that? It'slike one side is like you think you're eating healthy, but then you flipit over and it's like absolutely and some do. Some of them don't evenget it. Have you ever gotten jipped and you get a fucking girl?You get a whole mini weat with none on it, like they missed thatone. Okay, you Lufa. Yeah, you've seen a loof out of ityet, of a shower, you like, whe the fuck's my sugar? Yeah, Hey, you know what, can I tell you something, becauseyou just made a memory comes shirling back to my brain real quick.Yeah, is when I was a little kid and I watch Saturday morning cartoons. My mom went to sleep in and my brother was really little. Idon't even think he was fully toddler yet. He's probably like one and a halfto you, however old you are, to crawl right. I should knowthat. I have a son, but I can't even remember when hestarted fucking moving around. But Anyway, he would start crying and I tookhim out of his crib and I set him down somewhere, and then Idid I plunked in front of the TV with a bowl sterials. Are Watchingcartoons, and then next thing I know, like a half an hour later,there is a knock on the door. My mother wakes up, she comesto the door and it was a policeman holding my brother. Oh myhead. I don't out. He got out and there was a construction sitedown the road. He escaped somehow and I who boy, my mom wasfucking pissed and if you did that nowadays she probably would have been arrested absolutelyfor sleeping in, for sleeping in and having a fucking lazy kid who justwanted to watch some fucking cat tuns right. Oh yeah, that was but Iremember that in that and thanks to you, yeah, you're you remindedme how bad of a brother and human being I truly am. See that, man, but I tell you, I think the first nail in theSaturday morning cartoons coffin that I noticed was when they started playing after school,the sort of Disney afternoon where there was shows like ducktails and Tailspin gummy bearsand all these shows that would be yeah, and after school you get home andthose so you didn't have to just look forward to because kids got chipped. Man, Saturday morning. I'm glorifying the concept to Saturday morning cartoons becauseit was a beloved thing in my past, but honestly, that's all we got. You know, they were like yeah, I welcome, give themlike four hours. I'm yeah, you get the block. That's and,like you said, there wasn't anything on in the afternoon, especially in theearly s, and the stuff. So that's what you got and you wereanticipating. I'll week you like no school. I can just fucking sit home andwatch my shit. And for me that inspired me for the rest ofmy life, because that's how I got introduced the superheroes. All right on. That's what did it for me. Like I saw the amazing spider manand his friends and the incredible hulk, and then, you know, watchingthose cartoons, I walked into a candy store my ot one day saw hulkcomic, thought hey, that looks cool. I seen him on TV before.Yeah, and the rest is history. And I'm a forty one year oldguy with a fucking boatload of comics and useless information just roll around inmy Noggin. Yeah, so Saturday morning cartoons maybe something in the past.It doesn't exist anymore, but the results, in the ripple effect of it haslasted to this day. This summer, you want to beat the heat,not your budget. Plus, with all the activities outside, people havingfun, they don't want to be around a filthy smoker. They to sees, is perfect for quitting cigarettes, and the best way to do that isby visiting the Fine Folks Down at Northland Vapor Company. They make it easyto shop for E liquent supplies and more, with three retail locations and so fargoing North Dakota, warhead and BMIDGIE MINNESOTA. Or, if you're stillworking on that beach bod, visit their website at Northland vaporcom. All oftheir products are dike, tone and artificial...

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...the goodness. Vendors began selling popcornto the people outside of the theater allowing for a double profit off the simplepasserby and film goers alike. The snack was everywhere. Soon vendors could,for a small fee, sell popcorn in the lobby directly to people entering thetheater. Movie Theater owners began to cut out the street vendors and sell popcornthemselves. Theaters that refuse to change with the times and have their own popcornmakers suffered as the cheap snack became in demand. So there you go.That's interesting information. Man, I always wondered about that, because what abizarrely specific treat to eat, you know, of all the things you could eat. I guess, I guess it makes sense. It's cheap, it'stasty, it's addictive and, yeah, I guess. I guess it's nothorrible for you, except when they covered and tons of fake butter. No, it's bad for you. Yeah, it's better to pick their stuff outof your teeth and try and try, yeah, visiting the restroom the followingday after gobbling up so much popcorn. But there you go. Is Basicallybecause, you know, the talkies came around and people were suffering from theGreat Depression and they needed something cheap to snack on. So that's why popcornis now the most popular snack in theaters across not even America, across theworld. So you're welcome that. Yeah, thanks for that little kernel of information. So, Arty Lang is a celebrity. He's median, he's anactor, he was on the Howard Stern show for years, but he's alsohad a pretty well documented, well publicized issue with addiction and it's gotten toa point where fans of his in this day and age are definitely let intowith social media and things like that, we're all led into celebrities personal livesa bit. Yeah, it's it's bizarre, man. So Arty Lang is aboutto be released to a program, a recovery program, Halfway House,whatever, after twenty one days in jail in New Jersey. It's strange how, as a celebrity, all your misdeeds and problems get like literally broadcast everywherein the like I said, in these days of social media, it's Iknow this concept has been gone into before, like you had Lindsay Lohan constantly fuckingup back in the day and Brittany Spears had her breakdown. You rememberthat hours shaved her head and was attacking A. I'm Rena. She hadthe fucking umbrella rage as sure. Yeah, so, I mean it tons ofcases of the shit, but but ARTI's case is specific Lee and opiateaddiction one and it's super familiar to me. All the in and out of jailand drug programs and telling people you're doing grade and then everyone finds howyou got arrested again the next day. Right, and and plus I usedto listen to him cohosting Howard sterns show like every day. So you getto know a guy and even on that show his addiction was like a bigissue, dude, and especially at the end, obviously, like, Idon't know if you know the story. They like he he looked, triedto kill himself and ended up in a psych unit back then when he got, you know, at the end of his tenure. I did not know. I didn't know. I didn't know, like, I'm not. You saidyou follow him in the stuff. Yeah, I don't, and Iwasn't Howard stern listener. Maybe I was familiar with him because he was withnorm McDonald on like dirty work. You got a dad hooker in the truck, yes, you know, and that kind of stuff, and then againwith social media. I saw a video recently of him like dumping gas.Oh, yeah, you know. Yeah,...

I'm sorry, I'm not going tolike mince words here, but he looked like fucking dog shit. Yes, yes, like his face was really misformed and everything, and I waslike it must be the cocaine. But there's I think about like someone likeStevie Nicks. Yeah, it's you know, Stevie Nicks had all the problems withcoke, but she still like pretty good and she's still has like anose on her face. You know right. Well, the thing with arty's nosehe's actually more of a an open like specificly and opiate use. I'msure he does his sheriff coke, but I guess all the snorting he didwas basically heroin, like he was. I don't think he ever moved toneedles, from what I understand, but he yeah, his nose is basicallygone. The inside of his nose, what holds your nose together and givesit a shape, is just gone. The septem yeah, it's just beeneating away. He there's stories going on that he got punched in the face, which exacerbated it. Like the the structure was already weakened by all thedrug use and so a punch in the face kind of sealed the deal.But but then there's stories that he snorted something that had broken glass in itor some crazy shide. I don't know, but he looks fucked up. ButDude, back in the day when he was on the starn shown,he tried to kill himself. He ended up in this psych unit and Howardwas all weirded out about it, like you talked about on the show.He was all conflicted because Howard stern is kind of like a socially Awkward GuyAnyway. So it really got real and personal and and he like just kindof washed his hands of the guy after a while. So, but dude, the interesting thing, like I remember when already admitted he had an issueon the air on the show for the first time. Huh, and itwas crazy, like he so there was this game show thing going on likethat Howard does, where this time it was a bunch of homeless, youlike a bunch of bums, and they had him come up. I'm surethey gave him money whatever, but they would ask them questions or played somegame and basically exploiting these dudes, you know, but sure, but theywere all like fuck out there, you're paying me, I'm not worried aboutit, like I'm already homeless. Will you know? So? But Dude, this one guy, one of the homeless guys, was saying, I'mgonna be six soon. I got a dope habit or whatever, and areadygoes, Oh, have you tried these? He had like some boxing's on them, like the substitute, you know, yeah, method own or whatever,some box. I've mentioned them before and they were kind of new backthen. This was years ago, but it was funny because he just blurtsthis out on in the middle of this funny segment and all of a suddenit's like Robin and the Howard on the show. The hosts are like whatthe fuck, what the fuck, like and he basically just admitted that heused and but oh, I'm on somebox soon or subutext or whatever. Hewas on one. I'm okay, now I'm yeah, it's basically yeah,yeah, he's like whatever, so I'm good, it's under control. ButDude, then he'd always be nodding off on the show and it got reallyweird and awkward and yeah, Doude it. It ended with him trying to killhimself like and yeah, I was just a really fucked up sort ofsort of issue and very personal and very, yeah, very strange, but itbut anyway, I hope the best for him. He's supposedly getting out, as I said, of jail. You just spent a little twenty onedays with us addicts and ex cons would call a skid bid. They callit a skid did when you just do a little short bid like that.And I guess a baticles a little skin. Yeah, just do quickly. Yeah, Fun, Funny Story, man. There was this one guy that Iknew that was in jail and or he was at court. He hadhe was in jail with me. They...

...brought him to court to get sentencedor whatever, and the judge said something like, you know, I'll giveyou thirty days for this or bub. The Guy Goes, oh, dude, I'll do thirty days standing on my hood making some made some comment.I think he said it to either as lawyer or the inmate next to him, but the dude, the judge heard it and he goes, well,here's another thirty to get you right side up or some shit. And gavethem a double set. Like yeah, so you got a fucking comedy hourin the fucking court room at right everybody had a bunch of singers, youknow. So, yeah, man, but but, like I said,I hope the best for AARTI laying in. Man, it's a long struggle,especially when you have that kind of like you said, you saw him. You saw footage of him working at gas station. That's the story,is that he was at some halfway house and he had to get a normaljob as part of his program and so, yeah, he was pumping gas.There was some other job I guess he was doing, but but whatever. Yeah, that's great. He's kind of like, you know, youbrought up some of the bigger celebrities, Lindsay Lor and and Brittany Spears.You know, he's much on the smaller scale. I know what her tearsare named, right. You know if he's like a blister or ce listor dealist or whatever. Yeah, but, like you mentioned, with social mediaeverything, someone can just fucking run up to you with her phone,yeah, record you. And you know, for him he's getting nowhere to hide, he's got nowhere to go and unfortunately, again he was unrecognizable tome. Yeah, and I had to like check the source. I'm like, is it really that fucking guy? Already leg I don't look like nofucking Artylan. He did different. Yeah, but the drugs will the man.You know what, I know it. They will fuck you up so hard. And this guy's been living in this fish as cycle now for howmany years? Right, I mean, I again, I wasn't a fanof the show. So when did this thing happen with this to box?It's a ten years ago, five years? Yeah, at least, no morethan more than ten. He's been off the show probably for close toten years ago, over five years. Yeah, so he's he's still fuckingstruggling. And Yeah, you know, you know, he must have nomoney. He might, you know. I mean everything else, all theall the fame, all the notor righty he did taste or have a littlebit of, wasn't enough to defeat the the addictions in his life. Andthat's a shame. Team. But that's too bad because as one of thosethings we always think, Oh, if I could be rich, if Icould be famous, if I can have all these things, everything would beokay, right, everything would finally be all right, and it's not thethat's not the way it works with a lot of people. Well, let'syou know, I'm not a religious guy, but I'm not so I'm not goingto say a prayer, but I'll keep, you know, the theaddicts that are still suffering. At meetings they always say, you know,keep the addicts that are still sick and suffering in your in your thoughts,and hope, hope, that people can get it me, because it's ashitty lifestyle. One said I kidnapped my best friend's baby and sold it forAngel Dust. Then he sat down. Okay, that was followed by thelongest pause in the history of man. Then this is exactly what the counselsaid. Andrew took a sip of coffee and she goes like this. Arethey feedback day from the selling out show? Here to tell you about spunk loube. Spunk loube is a multi award winning mom can't use by professionals inthe adult film industry. Spunk is available in hybrid pure silicone, natural andpick spunk is made with the highest quality ingredients and is non stating, Hypoallergenic and cleans with ease and hands your love life with spunk. Right now. SPUNK LOUBE is by three, get one free. There's no excuse notto give it a try. SPUNK LOUB A high end product for an affordableprice, is it? Spunk loubcom today and you can thank me later.Dust up your lps. It's time for...

...nate. No, no. Musicianscan be emotional people. Something about that creative spirit and the desire and abilityto put feelings into words and then set them to appropriate melodies. Often asongwriter can capture feelings that the listener identifies with completely but maybe couldn't express personally. This is a big part of a songwriter's value. Sure, music canentertain, it can make you forget your daily grind and move you to danceor even bang around in a mosh pit, but for some of us the bestsongs are the ones that convey powerful emotion, whether it's the powerful feelingsof love and hope or the pain of love lost in the agony of grief. I don't know why, but I always been drawn to the sad ather songs and ballads. Even as a young child. I had parents thatwere always big music fans. My mother not only used to bump billy Joeland Dan Fogelberg, while she did house cleaning and other tasks around the house, but she would often sing me songs when I was going to bed asa little kid. I loved it and she had a great voice, butfor some reason, when she would ask what Song I wanted to hear herserenade me with, I would always say sing me the sad song. Thesad song in question was what'll I do, a song that was apparently written byIrving Berlin in one thousand nine hundred and twenty three, but it hadbeen re recorded by everyone from Frank Sinatra to Judy Garland, and old standard, but a sad, mournful one. Some of the lyrics are what'll Ido with just a photograph to tell my troubles to when I'm alone, withonly dreams of you that won't come true. What'll I do not exactly your usualLullaby for kids, but even at that young age I loved the rawfeelings of the lyrics and mostly the minor key in which it was sung.Just quickly years later, but still as a boy, I saw an episodso of the golden girls, where Dorothy as played by B Arthur sings what'llI do at a bar accompanied by a guy on the piano. You canfind the scene on youtube. It's actually a pretty great little performance, butanyway. So yeah, as I grew into my teens, I slid intothe Goth scene pretty seamlessly with my penchant fur downer sort of tunes and myinterest in black clothes. I've spoken before about discovering nine inch nails, thegateway drug for people getting into industrial and Goth Music. Trent resner from nachnails was a guy who basically made his career out of being hurt by namelesslovers and wrote primarily about how sad he was. Mr Resner seems to havecome out of his years long funk looking less like the frail, drug adultWaif of a man he started as and more like a healthy, almost bodybuildertype in his older years. His music served its purpose in my teen years, simultaneously helping me feel slightly less alone and prompting me to focus more onthose darker emotions. My own forays into songwriting ended up being as one noteas nine inch nails is. Early albums,...

...although admittedly less well written. Emotionsare tough for a teenager or young adult. The hormones are surging,social clicks are forming and relationships seem like the most important thing in the world. It's easy to write sad music when you're going through all that. Itend to kind of laugh at those bands who continue to pump out woe isme material long after they break through into the mainstream success and public adulation.But of course there are people that struggle with genuine depression, and some ofthem are musicians. So when is it a matter of someone just cashing inon easy subject matter, and when is it simply a medium to truly tryto exercise those sad demons that really are plaguing a person? Unfortunately, sometimesit's hard to tell until it's too late. I never liked the band Lincoln Park. They seemed very manufactured and polished. The music was very trendy and paintby numbers, but their singer, Chester Bennington, who seemed to beone of those guys perpetually writing about how sad and awkward he felt, actuallykilled himself a few years back. I was never a fan of his,but the story is a sad one and I hate seeing people fall prey toself destruction like that, especially when they have a family, as I guesshe did. His suicide followed another similar situation in which Chris Cornell of soundgarden in Temple of the dog fame took his own life in a hotel afterplaying a show about an hour prior in Temple of the dog. Chris Cornellbasically wrote songs as a tribute to a close friend and fellow Seattle musician,Andy Wood, who himself died of a heroin overdose. Chris's lyrics are soevocative that I almost tear up still when I hear the temple song say helloto heaven. No one as of yet has put a band together and tributeto Mr Cornell in the vein of what he did for Andy would, buthis loss is definitely still felt in the music community. A common thread amongthese deaths seems to be addiction. Being an addict myself, it's not hardto imagine feeling so trapped and hopeless that the only way out seems to besuicide. I spent a long time in that frame of mind, but Ijust never had the drive to actually go through with it. Addiction is alife of enslavement and with that comes self hatred and a lot of shame.You can't be there for loved ones much of the time and you lie andyou do a lot of shitty things. You make stupid choices even when deepdown you don't want to. Like you're on a ride, not completely incontrol of your own actions, and it's easy to get sucked into that feelingthat the only way out of that shitty roller coaster ride is to destroy theroller coaster itself. Imagine being Kurt Cobain, feeling that hopeless when you're possibly themost famous and influential person on the planet. His actions confounded a lotof fans, but I have no problem seeing why he did what he did. I wish he never did, but I understand it. Elliott Smith wasanother Indie rock songwriter with a history of addiction and depression. He started inthe band heat miser, but he really shone when he went solo. Hismusic is sad and quiet, largely acoustic,...

...and his tender, frail voice isunmistakable. Smith actually got an academy award when his Song Miss Misery wasfeatured in the film good will hunting. Back in one thousand nine hundred andninety eight but accolades mean little when one is struggling with not only addiction butsevere depression and Adhd, as he was. The primary story of Elliott Smith's deathis that he stabbed himself in the heart back in two thousand and threewhile he was at the apartment he shared with his girlfriend, which, afteryears of struggling with his mental health issues, doesn't seem that far fetched. Buttechnically, the autopsy results were in conclusive as to whether his death wasself inflicted or a homicide. He stabbed himself twice, and, after all, one would really have to be dedicated to stab oneself in the chest notonce but twice. Imagine the pain of just doing it that first time.Jesus, there have been tons of suicide by famous musicians. I realize I'mjust scratching the surface here. Even painters, artists and writers throughout history have succumbedto those dark urges. Sadly, a lot of the most creative mindsare often the troubled ones. I think it's just a common side effect ofbeing an artist. Obviously not everyone has that creative spirit. The human mindis fascinating and some work differently than others. A common trait of depressive people isthat they get stuck ruminating on thoughts. I know I've had lots of episodeswhere I just get stuck thinking about something and someone will catch me juststanding in the dark staring into space for like minutes on end. It oftenimpedes normal day to day life, but that sort of obsessive spirit is oftenhelpful when it comes to realizing a creative endeavor or getting a song or pieceof art just right. So, before wrapping this up, I want todiscuss Ian Curtis. Ian and his band joy division were instrumental in formulating andpopularizing the sound of Post punk and even inspiring the goth sound. Ian Curtisstruggled from a chronic and progressive case of epilepsy. Some say that his bizarreand spastic on stage dancing while fronting joy division seemed similar and possibly inspired byhis epileptic fits and seizures. Ian would try different medications, which in turncaused mood swings and led him to drink and smoke too much. When hisdaughter was born, he was rarely allowed to even hold her for fear thathe would go into a seizure and drop her. Eventually, playing in theband became an issue as well. On stage lighting effects and even certain percussionsounds would trigger the epilepsy. All this was made more tragic by the factthat joy division were becoming a really popular band in England. Things should havebeen great, but IAN's personal health was keeping him from really succeeding. Afterhis relationship fell apart and with his condition worsening more and more, he finallyhanged himself while listening to an IGGY pop record in his flat. I don'tknow why that's relevant, but it's part of the legend so I'm mentioning it. Joy Division were a unique band, not for everyone, but undeniably theywere doing something different for the time.

When Ian Curtis died, the restof the band went on as the largely popular, though in my opinion,underwhelming, new order. Ian Curtis's story is a tragic one. To finishoff and all to depressing installment of needs notes, let's go have a picnictogether in the sun and listen to some mindless, happy pop music to tryto wash off such a depressing topic. Although we can't have our little picnicand listen to mindless pop music yet, Dave, because we have to throwa little clips so the listeners who didn't get a chance to listen to oursuggested songs past week and can check out a little snippet of it this thissong is one of Ian Curtis's sad dirges, if you will. It's called newDun Fades and you can hear a section. But Anyway, man,yeah, so I feel dark. I feel I feel think, yeah,dude, it's a depressing coming. Not only where we talking about already lang, but now a're going into all this. It's well they I will say,per usual, fantastic piece with some excellent research. So thank you verymuch for that. And I mentioned, and I feel like we said thisa lot this show, like we've said this before. We've said this,but I have mentioned this in the past. I like listening to these as muchas anybody else, if not more, so I get to sit back andhear your pieces, the nates notes, and they're fantastic. So good job. Thank you, man. Thanks he lout. So I don't know, I I think that I feel. I feel kind of bad man thatwe're we're wrapping up us with some dark segments. We didn't wrap it upyet, but do you still have to tell people what they need to listento prior to next episodes. NATES notes and I hope, hope, ithas something to do with like ice cream music from like the ice cream manor something, or I don't even like. What's popular now, Kapop, withthose with in. Yeah, what are they? I don't want tosay what I'm thinking that. Yeah, but they they're like lady boys.Oh, yes, yes, lady boys. That's what they called him out there. Man really hit us with some lady Boy Music. That please,wow. Well, I'm not going to go that far, but I will. I I've been getting into this one album, so I'm gonna the wholealbum is great. The band has a bizarre named. They're called the easystar all stars. So Shady. Yeah, the easy star all stars. They'rea band of reggae and dub musicians that primarily do really interesting covers ofother people's music and they put out a whole album called radio dread and it'stechnically a cover of the okay computer album from radiohead. So I'm going tosuggest the first track from the okay computer album by radiohead, but as coveredby the easy star all stars. So we'll put a link to this,but the song is called Air Bag by the easy star all stars and,as I said, I'll post a link to it on facebook and will hopefullymake it easy for you guys to listen to it. But if if not, will play a little clip next week, I'm sure, our next episode.I'm sorry. Yeah, you know what, though, you're throwing outthe curveballs here with the cover or cover stuff the band's because I'm like radiohead. Wait, was this other band called again the easy star all stars? Yeah, I'm never I'm not familiar with them, so very interested inchecking this out. So, even with that little curveball you through, youactually gave me a nice little segue point..., because you're going to postit on social media and that's an easy way to find the show or communicatewith us. You can find us on twitter at selling out show, onfacebook selling out show one. You can drop us a voicemail at seven sevenfour seven and one thousand nine hundred and ninety three, or an email,which seems so antiquated now, doesn't it? I'm gonna send you an email,but you can and as a selling out show at GMAILCOM. So aslong as you know the name of the show. You can pretty much fuckingfind that's anywhere. So I like to say easy peasy lemon squeezy. That'sI get that tattooed on my gut because that's where Nice, that's for theeasy peasy lemonade, goes anyway. And I made no sense whatsoever. Yeah, I got to get the fuck out of here. Before I do,I want to thank each and every one of you for listening. Virtual hugsfor all of you. We love you, we appreciate it. We had nothingwithout you checking out the damn show, so big thumbs up. I amDave. That is nate, and this has been selling out infirmary media. How to show up with cocacola energy. You're tired and you're thinking of cancelingon your friends. Don't do it. Every time you cancel on a friend, a Unicorn loses its horn and becomes a regular horse. Do youreally want that on your contents? Instead, grab an ice cold can of cocacolaenergy with delicious coke taste and reinvigorating energy. Keep the UNICORNS alive.Show up every day with cocacola energy. Energy you want taste, you love. How to show up with cocacola energy. You're tired and you're thinking of cancelingon your friends. 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