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Episode 3 · 4 years ago

Ep.#3 'Murica

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

On this episode the guys go full red white and blue, tackling the subject of the good ol' U.S. of A. Remember when, as a kid, the powers that be seemed like benevolent good guys, not money hungry con-men? We sure do. So what happened?
Is it more than just our personal station in life that makes us vote Democrat or Republican? And are we so fearful of the unknown that we can justify the inhumane treatment of undocumented immigrants?
We find out what ‘Murica means to some of our listeners in this episode’s Selling Out Sound Off.
And finally, Nate delves into the dark opus that is NIN’s the Downward Spiral. More specifically, what was the album’s impact on Nate as an awkward teen, on popular music, and on society as a whole?
Main Topic- ‘Murica
2:30-Walmart patriotism
3:12-Youthful optimism
9:30-How/why we vote the way we do
12:59-Immigration
24:25-a few missteps along the way (Lobbyists, The fairness doctrine...)
41:28-Selling Out Sound Off
48:15-Nate’s Notes

And now prepare your ear holes for penetration as we bring you another great podcast from the book culture extended universe. Hey, they're sellouts. Thanks for tuning into our America episode. We appreciate it. But before we get started, I wanted to let you know that nate and I are not political scientists by any stretch of the imagination, just a couple of dudes from America expressing our opinions about America. Are Views and not represent those of our network or really anybody else. Just a couple of dudes riffing. All right, now I got that out of the way. Sit Back and enjoy the show you were now to dig to the selling out podcast. What it does is beaches into your brain chemically and locate your happiest memory chemically and then blocks on that emotion and reades it chemically, and then it keeps your happy, happy fight right of every manerican. What's right? Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the selling out show. I am one of your host, David Schiltz, and with me is my longtime friend Nate Gore Zinski. Nate, how are you? Great, Dave, beautiful summer day and I just got back from cleaning horse stalls. So that sounds great. Horse Studio, that must be the worst. Yeah, last last time out of his dogs, now his horses was next elephants. Yeah, I I deal with fecal matter a lot more than I thought I would. You know, growing well, I guess we're on the right network for that, right, but the coll see you. Yes, you go, man. You know this. This episode we're going to be talking about America, our views on America, and the other day I did something that couldn't be anymore American. I went to Walmart and I bought myself a pair of American flag shorts from Walmy's. That's from Walmart, right, and to me that symbolizes, you know, the perfect American thing. But, to be honest with you, I wasn't like trying to be, I don't know, Rednecki about it or patriotic about it. I just want to feel like Apollo creed, you know cosplay. You're in Apollo pleat creed. Ever say that? I hate guys play, Oh my God. But yeah, so we're here to talk about America this episode. This will be our main topic. Growing up, right, what we told about America when you were a kid? What was your general feeling about the country that we live in. Personally, you're asking me. Yeah, yes, yes, you directly my friend. Right. Well, I feel like you know, as a child, you, you are taught that we're the good guys, you're your yeah, you know, or I was. I'll keep it on me. So I yeah, I mean, granted, we grow up in a country where we're allowed to criticize our government, and I grew up with a lot of Saturday night live and different shows that were able to spoof the president like so, so I had this image of America as a place of freedom, where the good guys we lived in, aside from the little bit of well, the looming threat of the Cold War with Russia, I mean right, we pretty much had a peaceful upbringing and didn't grow up in a time of war. But but so, I just felt like I lived in this country of yeah, good guys, freedom and yeah, and and good naturedness. Like the fact that there were I remember my parents telling me when I would watch Saturday night live and they were making fun of Reagan or even Bush, and when that happened, when he when he took over, right, and my folks were like, we live in this country where you can do this. In other countries people get killed for criticizing their rulers. And so, yeah, I just had this this image of America as a place of freedom and happiness and, you know, all the all the things that I feel like America wants to be portrayed as. And I don't know, I don't feel like I was unique in that. I feel like that's the image America has already always tried to portray. But Yeah, how about yourself? I grew up completely gi Joe. You know, we...

...were right. Everybody else is wrong. The Soviet Union was our enemy. And Yeah, it was like the land the Utopian place, you know what I mean? It's the land of Golden Opportunity, all that stuff they try to sell you. And I actually have a distinct memory, but being in school and Bush is bushes inauguration, and so they set all of us kids down. We watched. Now I kind of call it propaganda, but he's all this pro Reagan stuff and even there was a little kid on the air being like you're the only president who still has all of his hair, and everybody laughs and it's great and as a kid you feel involved, right, but now you look back and you think about Reagan or someone and you go geese, look at all the atrocities or all the bs that happened during his presidency. But as a child and in school you were told this guy is our leader. You've got to have faith in him and have faith in America. Yeah, man, I feel like there was a lot of a lot of art that was being produced at the time that that did show the atrocities of Reagan, whether it was the dead Kennedy's or other punk Bens things. I feel like I talked about punk rock every episode, but but I wasn't aware of that stuff yet. Is the point as a kid. Yeah, I see. Yeah, we had this squeaky clean image of American I think that's a mix between the image that was portrayed in the media and the fact that we were young and naive and that's just how it goes when you're a kid. Yeah, at what age you think that you started realizing maybe everything's not exactly as it seems? Um, I'm trying to think back, man. I feel like when George Bush took over, I was still a little kid. When when when Bill Clinton took over, it was the S. I was in high school and yeah, I feel like the first time I really saw some kind of shadiness in the in the American government may have been the whole Monica Lewinski thing. It's it's to me to this day it's still pretty harmless, I i. I mean to me personally. I like you like I had a blowjob, no big deal. Well, honestly, I mean no jobs, not bombs. You know right. I did not have of sexual license for that woman. I mean, you can look at this different ways. I feel like it's primarily an issue between the man and his wife and an issue of infidelity. Granted, it happened while he was in office and in the office apparently, but I don't know, that was the first time I really kind of saw some kind of like I guess. I guess see personally noticed a president lying about something and and it wasn't a serious like corruption issue. This was just the first time I saw shadiness in a president that I really kind of paid attention to. You know, I don't feel like it was necessarily harmful to the nation as a whole. I I'm just thinking that may have been the first time I saw a little chink in the armor of our you know, our leaders, our government. So, but I don't know, the kid, you'd see stuff on the news like Iran Contra, but I didn't mean anything to you exactly, or at least it didn't me. Just continue playing with those said Gi Joes, you know, right. So, yeah, I know for me personally, when I was eighteen, that's when I could vote and I took it pretty seriously. I actually voted for Bill Clinton, yeah, for his second term, and it's the only time I can remember that I actually voted Republican, and that was for the governor of Massachusetts at the time, William Well, yeah, and the reason why I did that was he had a policy on deadbeat dad's and having a deadbeat dad. I thought it was important that they were held responsible, yeah, for not paying for their kids and stuff, and and that was an issue for me I cared about. Sure, other than that, I don't think I've ever voted Republican again, right, because there hasn't been a Republican that's spoken to me or really had an issue that that. You hit me where I lived right now. That that brings me to like a topic that I wanted to discuss, and that's like her. So I personally tend towards the left, I mean just personally. Yeah, but I feel like it's dangerous to be a blind follower of either party or any party. Absolutely. And Yeah, I feel like people need to look at the policies individually and how each thing is going to effect and you don't have to vote along party lines every time. And that, it seems like that's the big issue with this divide in our country at this point, is that people are treating it like like sports teams, and you know, it's they'll follow...

...their their party through thick and thin, even if the party's wrong and or are doing harm to to them person people are voting against their own self interest. When I vote left wing or, you know, typically liberal, it's because my life's arecumstances, like you said, with your father right. Yes, exactly. Yes, your personal situation has a lot to do with your politics, or at least it should. I mean it's I personally have found myself in places where I ended up needing to use services or programs that typically are, you know, maybe attacked by the right or or at least cut by the right often, and I've found myself in places where I've met people, other people that are in the same situation and it amazes me how many like people, poor folk, who need typically liberal supported systems, end up voting conservative. And it's usually because poor usually equals uneducated and the unknown is scary. So they they go with the, you know, party of fear. I tend to think of the the Republican Party as more driven by fear, whether it's fear of the immigrants, fear of other religions, fear of gay marriage, it's fear of the unknown and the spending on on military. All it's all fear based. We spend more on military than, I guess, the the top others seven countries combined, or something like I you know, don't quote me on the stats, but but that's you know, that's so based in fear. And so these so people that are uneducated and usually could use the services that the left wing is willing to provide or more supportive of, they go to the right and vote against their own self interest because of the fear they have in you know, that's that's that's touched upon by the Republican Party. So I don't know, a little little tangent, but I just know it's okay because I understand what you're saying. You know, human beings in general, no matter if you live in America, you live anywhere else, fear drives humans will give up anything for protection. Sure, will give up our own rights just be protected. Yeah, so, if you have a lot of money, if you have this this beautiful life, you don't want anybody tampering with it. If I talk to a Republican, the most common answer I get why they why they don't like Democrats or the any of the other parties, is because, oh, they want to put their hand in my pocket. Yeah, they want my money. Right, and for me it's like, well, don't you want to help people, don't you? Well, yeah, yeah, kind of, but as long as I don't really have to give much to do so. Sure, sure, and you know, the borders, the whole thing rowing on right now, but walls and everything else, I always laugh because you know, you know, I've spent an extensive amount of time in Mexico, right, and Mexico is a beautiful country full of beautiful people, much like America. Right, we can kind of try to Pigeonhole Republicans, Democrats, liberals, right wingers, whatever, but people are still people. So for every nut job, you meet that might be aligned with something, they might be an actual cool dude or or really a humble human being involved in that party as well. Mexicans are the same breed, man. They just want to have a good life, raise their families, you know, just be happy. Yet Americans are led to believe, through propaganda and other means, that all the Mexicans want to just cross the border and take what we've got, which is far from the case. But again, fear exactly. This is ours, you can't have it, this is you know. It's like, come on, man, I know the the issue of looking at things policy by policy instead of on the just on party lines and always voting on party lines. I feel like there are certain things where I don't know, I can't I can understand where they're coming from. I feel like, yes, we are a country and we have, you know, their laws for a reason, and there are boarders and you can't just let everybody in, obviously, but when someone has come across and they've whether it's illegally or not, and they haven't caused problems and they have lived here for twenty years and end up getting pulled over or whatever and picked up, it's like, does that person really need to be treated like some eminal? And I don't yeah, I don't know. I'm not the most educated person and I don't want to get into some kind of an issue where we're going to alienate all kinds of people. I mean, I'm sure we'll be doing that anyway. Just, yeah, you know, Probert, you already have you know what I mean. Sure, but but I mean you have to look at things from a human perspective and sometimes laws are I don't know, they they are what they are,...

...but to me, as someone who's been on both sides of the law, I just feel like sometimes humanity is a little more important than some laws that were written. You know, like they're they're separating families, they're separating children from their parents now, and when you ask them why, what's going on, they they they act like, well, these people are criminals, so why are you so worried about how they're treated? And it's like, yeah, they're families, their parents that wanted to bring their kids across and maybe they didn't have the opportunities where they lived and now they're coming to a place where where they can do better and make a life for themselves and give their kid a future. And Yeah, I don't know, I guess I'm just you know, it's funny you brought that up, because I was reading about that just yesterday and I think it was Ted Cruz who said. Well, listen, you know it say any criminal, if you're caught an act and your kid is with you, your kid is going to be taken away. And it made me think for a second. I'm like sure, so if you're in Chicago, you smoking crack and you get a four year old with you, the police will take that four year old away. If you aren't fit, they're of course going to place a child in some kind of a home or whatever the case may be. But yet here it seems like with the immigration stuff, they're ripping the kids away and we're okay, we're where you taking my kid, none of your business, shut up. And they could be moving the kid for a hundred miles away, a thousand miles away, twenty five feet away, but they don't have the right to know where their child is, and that's what disturbs me. Yeah, I don't trust the government said to be watching all these kids, and to see the photos and everything, it looks like a camp right. It's scary, scary imagery, you know. So, while not a coping cruise, don't just go on. I'm summer Yamp, you mean? I know those intration Camp Yeah, there's no merit badges here. You know what I mean. Thank you for correcting me on that. But still, when I when I saw a cruises comment, I go well, okay, I can see how he's appealing to people in his base and how it makes sense to them that a crime is a crime and everybody is treated the same and this is fair, and you get to stop and think yourself. What you would mention to humanity. You're going to be human being, at least tell them, okay, we're going to move your kid to Arizona, we're going to put your kid here in Texas, because as a parent myself, I could even imagine not knowing where my kid is. Right right. First of all, you have your kid taken away from you, which is terrible enough, and then a second of all, you're going through this whole process and you don't know if they're okay, you don't know if they're being fed, you know if they're warm exactly. It's just gut wrenching stuff. So that's just terrible. That's that's really that's some horrible yeah, Oh God, you know. So I do feel strongly about immigration. Sure, again, I love Mexico. I think Mexico's a wonderful country, and people have the misconception that is only Mexico. Of course not. Yeah, of course it's not. Know, the people who are crossing through Mexico are actually immigrants from other countries, other Latin American countries. Yeah, and a lot of people in America that I talked to think that, okay, we catch them and then we let them off Scott free. Here you go, here's a plane back to Peru, which isn't the case. They just drop them right back across the border. So then it's Mexico's problem again, and you have a lot of panhandlers and homeless and that is people that were trying to get in Gut caught and got booted back out, but they're only dropped off right across the border. And I hate making this comparison, but it's something I think about. If you caught a squirrel, and I'm not trying to compare human beings a squirrels, just think of the logic here. Just for the logic in your attic and you're like, well, I'm just gonna drop in my backyard. He's going to try to get back in your attic again. Right, yeah, so you know, hey, he here's the border punt. There you go. You don't expecting to try to cross back over again. So just from one now, just from a logistical point of view, that, even if you are someone that wants them out, it's like that doesn't make sense, you know, but no, it doesn't, it really doesn't. End United States does give millions of dollars each year to Mexico to help control the in patrol the border rather. And as far as this whole wall situation, I think it's utter and complete bullshit. It's not needed. This whole pushing bad ombreis on people. I said earlier, human beings are human beings. Of course you're going to have some people coming through the aren't the highest quality human beings. But to me, really, if you want to stop people who are sinister from coming over, try to attack the drug problem here in the United States. If there wasn't, you know, I need for drugs we brought across the border and people weren't buying whatever here, then you wouldn't have all those bad ombrade trying to smuggle crap. Yeah, across the across the border here. Well, how about this? You want to you want to get crazy, how about we just get nuts? Come on, baby, let's do what other countries have done and just eliminate the war on drugs completely in the legalize drugs period and you treat it like a health issue. You ultimately eliminate the...

...illegal black market for drugs. You you regulate them, the drugs that are released are are at least clean and pure. That would eliminate this this boogeyman fear of, you know, dealers killing, you know, coming into our country selling drugs, are kids killing people, raping and all this. It's like, you know, there's no need for that black market if you just legalize it, and I mean that will never happen here. Never, never, never. Of course, I don't know. It was in the broadest sense. I can completely get behind in that either, but you know, just talking about maybe addiction and stuff too. Just real quick, here is I've told you before, the story about the woman in Arizona whose son was killed by three drunk drivers. I believe they were Mexicans, and when she was talking about it, she had said if they never crossed the border, my son will be alive, and to some extent that is in fact true. But you got to think of it. More is a drunk driving situation than an immigration issue. Right, in my personal opinion, I could never begin to try to say I can understand her feelings completely. That's a terrible loss, but just as an outsider, hearing her speak Mexicans this, Mexicans that, I go Whoa Lady, I'm sorry for your loss, but you know, what does it have to do with it? Yeah, alcohol is a problem in generally. You know, people drunk driving. It could have been anybody committed, someone from Poland, it could have been an American person, I don't know. But it's easy to blame other people and I think it's again back to fear. Right. Sure, they're still in our jobs, they're ruining our economy. There, this, they're that, there every damn thing, and that's not what America should be. We were built on immigration, right, that's who we are. We shouldn't be isolationists, we shouldn't be cruel to other people, and that's why the current administration right now is extremely frustrating. Yeah, they talk about and a merit based system like this. The trump administration has been talking about. Well, maybe we should allow this is old news now, but maybe we should, you know, make a merit based system where if you don't have anything to offer, maybe you're not so high on the list of getting in like that. If you have some kind of a trade, a skill, something like that, then that's in demand, then you're more likely to get in. And while I see the benefit of something like that, I mean you look at the Statue of Liberty. I know this has been said before, but the poem on the Statue of Liberty is all about sending the weakest, the people that need help, the you know, the poor huddled masses. It seems like are the original dream has been lost somewhere along the yeah, totally, yeah, and totally. And we've become so successful over the years. Our country has been a place where people can pursue their own riches, their own dreams, and that's a wonderful thing, and that's a purely obviously capitalist point of view. Somewhere along the way, I feel like we lost the original intent where it was this safe harbor for people who are fleeing corrupt governments or need to get away from where they are. I mean, it was started because we wanted to to have a more free society where we weren't under some kind of a pressive system. And and now here we are with, you know, a borderline dictator and I don't know, I keep say they it's a great question. WHERE DID WE LOSE OUR WAY? Right, where did the country lose its way? Was it? Was it lost from the very onset of everything, or did a series of events lead us to where we are today? I have a question for you right now. Do you trust the government? Do you believe in the government as it stands now? No, and I've no. I wouldn't either. And you know what, I don't whether it's Obama in the White House or if it's trump in the White House. Either way, I don't believe one shred of information coming from up top. Nope, not at all. You know, and there's a couple things where I want to kind of bring up that I think kind of fucked over America. Okay, in the s lobbyists, basically the whole the whole idea of lobbying good jacked up on steroids right and that's where retired politicians started entering, entering the lobbyists and could become lobbyists themselves, and where corporations came in, starting putting a lot of money behind something and making policy. That disturbs me to no ends, because that's where we are today, and that's one of the biggest problems we have with our country, is that a pharmaceutical company can dictate what we are going to do, what our freedoms are, simply because they want to push some pills down our throaty. The the companies that make...

...called the money, are able to pay for people to get elected, and now that these people are elected, there beholding to the people that help them get there. Nothing they say can be true because they receive thirty six thousand dollars in campaign funds from X on Mobile, or ten million from this guy, whatever the case may be. Everything they say is utter fucking bullshit. Of course, man. There's not one thing you can believe. And they don't do anything. They don't care about your kid, they don't care about you. You are a number, you are nothing, and that that troubles me, man. It just drives me insane. And the other thing too, was in the S in one thousand nine hundred and eighty seven Reagan Nicks, the fairness doctrine and the fairness doctrine. I guess I could be called a snowflake for bringing this up, but by some people. But it was a lot of said that news media had to represent both sides. Okay, yeah, within reason. So if you came on harping about the Republicans, they they would let a Republican come on and harp about the Democrats and kind of know, counterview points here. So at least a public watching television at home or in the newspaper could have both sides of the story and kind of, you know, decide things for themselves. And by eliminating this, this opened up just the single minded media and most commonly people now think of Fox News. If this had never been axed, you wouldn't have stuff like Fox News, which is just one idea, right, one political belief for one faith or whatever, just being driven into your brain twenty four seven. Right, right. It's terrifying. Man Like is zombies. We become zombies. It's like, okay, well, I believe wholeheartedly in this, so I'm going to do nothing but watch everything that is supporting my point of view all the time. I don't even need to consider hearing someone else's point of view. Sure that they're dumb, they're stupid, they're losers. Is They fucking ridiculous? They call it the the Echo Chamber, when you get in a zone where all you hear is the same things that you say or things that that in enforce your biases. You know, that confirmation bias thing where where everything you believe is just reinforced, because now the Internet has oh boy, it's set up so all the things that you tend to look up and tend to be interested in, they just send more and more of it your way via some algorithm, and now you think that that's all there is. That's what's true. It's a little scary, man. It's like moths still bugs, apper baby. I don't know. That's what it is. I don't know how it's going to change. I don't know what is going to fix this rift between the right and the left. I feel like our society right now is so fractured and we live in this strange time where where people are more connected than ever globally. We're connected so easily. We have instant connection with other people anywhere around the world, but at the same time we're more isolated than we've ever been because we do it all from behind a screen and it it removes humanity from other people. We may be talking to someone, another human being, but it to us it's just words on a screen. It takes even subconsciously, it's taking away that humanity that exists, that you that you acknowledge in someone else, and it's much easier to to lash out and and be mean and inhuman to someone. It's it's interesting there. It reminds me of an occurrence that happens in the prison system, in jails, where people, when the doors are open, maybe a little less loud and willing to run their mouth, but when they're behind their doors they are saying all kinds of things, yelling at other people and act in real tough they call him sell warriors and you know, yeah, you're a cell warrior and they're talking a big game because you're not right up front and and I feel like people are a lot tougher when they're behind a keyboard. You know, it's the same. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's he that's whether you're talking about politics or if you time about comic books. Yeah, it doesn't. It really doesn't matter what you're talking about because you have that anonymity. You're not yeah, well, I'm not Dave Schultz. Now, I'm at Labahai and I can go spew whatever I want, because you can't reach out and touch me, and you know I do. Can say nasty things about me, but you can't physically hurt me or reaching to my wallet or you know. You know the things that matter, right, and that's what that's what I just yeah, I just meant general. I feel like this, this goes beyond politics, like we've lost so much of that human connection while we're gaining the connection, you know, more than we've ever had, like...

...we've got such an easy connection with anyone. Like I said, you know and but somehow we are less empathetic and less willing to understand where someone else is coming from. It's it's so strange and I don't know what's going to fix it. Man, I don't know how we do that. Well, first off, what you brought up a little bit earlier is where everybody wears a political party like a badge of honor. Right, right, and they just blindly follow whatever that party may say whether it is Democrat or Republican, that's going to be stopped. You can't do that. Yeah, yeah, you know. They always say, oh well, you know, pick the lesser of two evils. That's not a way to live, right, that really isn't right. Why can't we do better? I get why can't we? And then, you know, you start to wonder, is the president the true source of power in this country? Is there really an Illuminati? A lot of people believe so. You know, are there just the rich people, like I was mentioning, the people the donations, the lobbyist? They're really the people who, I believe, a driving this country. So there's so many influences, is so many fingers in the pot, I don't know, man. Where where we fix it? How do we begin? You know, I used to get angry with people who be be out there, you know, picketing, trying to change policy, because to me, and this is a very jaded point of view, but you can have fiftyzero people in a town square demanding change, but some fat cock sucker on his couch who's got fifty grand in his pocket can do more, make more of a difference than those Fiftyzero people, because he's got the money. It's and that's where that's where we live. So sometimes I say, well, nothing's ever going to change until the power goes out right right, because then we're kind of going more to a savage society, more basic way of being. Trust me, I don't want to see that happen. You know, I love electricity, but I like power. But the thing is is like yeah, man, how would it change? And there's even times I have to look inward and I go, let's say I was a politician, if someone's throwing money at me to do to this, what I would I do? That? What I what? I be a crooked bastard, I might. It's hard. It's hard to say what it's hard when you're in that situation. You know, it's when money is staring you in the face and you enter that world, it's it seems like pretty pretty seductive. You know. You. Yeah, and if you grown up poor, if you've never been rich, and someone says hey, you know, here's a certain amount of money to do this, you can to say well, you know, I can do put my kid through college or I can do all these great things. That's why I don't really understand the fat casts who keep wanting getting getting fatter. Here. It's like, do you already get millions of dollars? What? What was the big deal about? You know, comcast thrown you an extra fifty grand. Is it really worth it anymore? Is it really worth being a, you know, in a moral prick? But Hey, I don't know, money who? We kind of went off here just saying all this crappy stuff about America, which is all true. But America is still full of diversity, is still a fall of wonderful to human beings, and much like when I compared it to Mexico. Most folks here, they just want to live a good life, raise a family, be happy, you know, rinse or wash, rinse, repeat. Basically right. It's the cycle that we all live and we always want to be fairly content doing so. The pursuit of happiness seems like maybe you know. Well, if not, the most important part of that is rg it's it does seem rigged, do you? I mean? It's it's should, it's it's nice that we are are raised in this country where we're able to pretty much pursue our happiness. I mean to be honest, man. Yes, we have politics that are intruding in our lives. We have certain issues that affect US personally. But to be honest, man, I went a lot of years doing what I wanted to do and living completely oblivious to the system. And I mean I don't know. Granted, I was, I was living a criminal lifestyle look and whatnot, but yeah, you know, here I am. I didn't get my hand chopped off, I didn't get true, you know, very true. I wasn't imprisoned for life. We live in a country where they're you know, there's there's still a lot of opportunity and I'm pretty happy to be here. But the Hyperboley of of this is the best country ever. And right like. I don't believe that, man. I think we're a great country. But and it's the best country I know because it's, you know, I mean, aside from traveling a little, it's the only country I know and I guess Jen generally happy. Here I am, you know, generally. Yeah, and so, I mean you've at least got a little bit of experience living in another country. I've traveled, but I've never lived outside of America. I'm glad you know that. Seems like...

...it would be good for you and, like you said, it has given you a new perspective on things you've already brought really has. It really has. And I remember people in Mexico saying to me, you know our politicians here, Dave, they're so crooked. Yeah, they'll take money from you, they deal with the narcos or the drug dealers and they do little side deals and stuff. And I'm like, Whoa, Whoa, whoa. And you don't think American politicians do this? I'm like, they may not knock on your door and demand money. Or, for example, when there was an earthquake in Mexico, if you donated things, you had to write teramoto on the package of beings or cans, because politicians would take this, go to poor rural parts of the country, give it to, you know, people who didn't have food, and say well, here's food so you can to vote for me come election time. And you think, how could anybody do that? That's so despicable. But realistically, our politicians here doing anything different? No, but by glad handing and making promises again with corporations and and lobbyists and stuff like that. There's no public interest being done here. There's nothing good for the people being done and I hate sounding like that, rotten, just miserable, get off my long kind of guy, because I do have a friend who mentioned to me, Dave, you got to get out there and be vocal. You get to do this, you get to do that, and on more of like a local scene, I guess it could work maybe in a town or a small community. You know you need to stop, light fixed or whatever the case may be, right and that's great. I'm not trying to dissuade anybody from being active in their communities and doing what they want to do. But in the grand scale of everything, when I look at the two countries or the countries I've been in, boys some scary stuff. Sometimes it really does freak you out. And it was a parent. You thinking, go what kind of future it's my kid going to have? And I don't really know what's going on. I'm just an aunt on this giant mud ball that's being flung around the sun. You know so. But again, America is a lovely plate. I love it here. So for any anybody who is listening, is like, fucking motherfuckers, you love it. Are you leaving? Yeah, I do love it, but it's not without his problems, so many, many, many problems. So that's something we have to accept. This Americans, we can't think that this is all just sunshine, rainbows and UNICORNS, American flags and Eagles landed on your front porch. That's just not the way it is. And and human beings, we're born to fight, we're born to argue. That's what we do and unfortunately, in my perfect America that would be put to the side for I don't want to say for the common good or for the greater good, because that's even a dangerous thing in itself, but just just for people being kind to another person. Yeah, man, that's all we need, is this human kindness. I think in this country, and there's plenty of examples of that individually, but I think currently our political landscape shows none of that whatsoever. And Yeah, it's scary to me, and it has it in a long time. Yeah, it's at this low point where we are so disconnected from each other and in this rift is so great that it's dehumanizing people. Are at the point where, like I was talking about, with the taking away the humanity through interacting via keyboards and whatnot, didn't yeah, it's we're at the point where, you know, we we need to remember that we're all human beings. Like, when I look at people nowadays, I tend to try to see people as what they looked like when they were a child. Maybe, and I know this sound, this is coming out of nowhere, but it's a good way to humanize that person, because at one point we were all these innocent young, you know, wide eyed, beautiful shovel babies. Yeah, and and when you look at someone who you may be thinking negative thoughts about or or, you know, look at this piece of Shit when you're out in Noblique or whatever, it's like, you know what, I look at that person, I see damn and that that person was once this little, you know, kid with his whole life ahead of him and and, you know, with some kind of curiosity in it helps me to empathize and it takes down that wall in between us. And so I recommend that, if you're the type of I don't know, try it sometime. You know, if you're you're feeling like wow, man, I'm being really negative, it's like it's a good way to kind of bring you back to this feeling of togetherness. And, yeah, you know that we're all part of the same thing here. We're all part of the same tapestry. So yeah, absolutely, and I think, I think we both can agree that's what we want the country to be. Yes, yes, you know, it's like we're not in control all of the big picture. We can't do anything about that. But we can't control is being generally nice to other human beings. We don't have to be picture perfect, you know, human beings like given money everywhere or anything, but just show a...

...little human kindness from time to time and it's going to go a long way. Yeah, Ye, so, so I guess we just fucking snowflakes, man. Yeah, man, I guess that's what we are because we want to be nice. I'm a libit hard. Just be cool, man, be cool exactly. All right. You have anything else you want to add? A should we move on? No, I think. I mean, we could talk about this all day. Oh, yeah, I know. Right. I do recommend anybody out there listening. If you haven't want to join in on the conversation. You can follow us on twitter at selling out show, or shoot us an email at selling out show at GMAILCOM way in and let us know what you think. Right now, we're going to play a quick promo from one of our pod pals and when we come back a little bit of the selling out sound off. There are only two types of people in the world, those who love infirmary media and those who have never tried it. Hi, I'm Carla and I'm Michael and we're go postal podcast, the podcast were reread your drunken ramblings, postcards, emails, whatever you can think of really, and how do you get these sent to us? You can send it to Po box one nine hundred and eighty five, one four in Nashville, Tennessee three hundred and seven two, one nine, or go postal podcast at gmailcom. You can also find us on twitter and facebook. You can find us on spotify, itunes, stitcher. We release an episode every Monday. I'll see to say. Sure, Sir Suirp sure, sure, all right, we are back with the selling out sound off. I asked on twitter this week what does America, well Merica, which a lot of people like to say, mean to you? I got quite a few responses here. A couple of them I like to read and they're not the most positive things, to be honest with you. I was kind of hoping to get some more Gung Ho patriotic people. Yeah, but unfortunately, I guess they just didn't want to, didn't want to chime in. I have Lee meanderthals wrote. Confused gluttoness, sort of like a kid who thinks you're doing the right thing while totally ruining it. A land of contrast and excellent humor that puts too much stock in itself. HMM. At shamss the host wrote Poop to the point. The yeah, very, very direct. Their shamess same straight up poop. At IWB podcast mentioned she's traveling with two of her kids to the UK and Ireland next month, same time as number forty five. Will be in London practicing her Canadian accent just in case. So maybe she's not thinking, I don't know what will be a country to come back to. Well, now, what's happening here? I don't know. I was taking it to mean maybe she was embarrassed to be an American so she wanted to pretend to be a Canadian while she's out there. That's true. That, yeah, that's a good you know, I think you get that one right. At Killer Fun pod wrote, we love this country. Hope the current discord is just growing pains that lead to a more unified nation. That's a I guess, a good way to look at things. are more positive way of looking at things, you know. Yeah, and then we have Carla from at go postal podcast, who America is kind of fucked up. Where the richest nation in the world but can't be bothered to give healthcare to everyone. Our social benefits of garbage. Education is unaffordable. The gap between the wealthy and the impoverished is ridiculous. which drives me crazy is that we claim to be number one, but number one at what we can do better and take better care of our citizens and planet. Let's actually claim to be the leader, or, I'm sorry, let's actually be the leader we claim to be, which is great, because that's a lot of stuff we didn't discuss on our main topic, whether it's healthcare, the educational system. I mean, we just kind of got really angry and started spewing off our own personal beliefs. But she's right. You know, there's a lot of things where healthcare, for me, I've noticed when in Mexico you don't have the common insurance problems you'd have here. You can go see a doctor and there's no copays. You just pay the doctor what he charges you, HMM, which isn't a whole heck of a lot. Well, yeah, man, we I feel like those responses, a lot of them. It's it's undeniable that we're in a kind of dark period of America. But I feel like there is some hope and some of those answers, and you know whether you do. I do because well, some of them mentioned it's it's a temporary spot that hopefully we can get back on track. I mean, like I said, it's pretty undeniable. It's hard. It's hard to look at where we are now and think, all right, we're doing great. So it's it's to be expected that we got a bunch of negative it's I'm surprised, yeah, like you said, that we didn't have more patriotic little red, white and blue right. I feel like maybe, you know, our listeners are are more along our sort of mindset, which is which is hopeful, which is you know. Yeah, and I again I just want to mention real quick we didn't come with our statistics, we didn't come...

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...on. Now something about the age I was at and the depth, the creative depth, of this record and the way you could just get lost in it, always noticing more details, a little sounds buried in there that every listen, and probably my dabbling in drugs at that time made me pretty obsessed with this album. I I went and saw them on tour for that album four times at different venues throughout that too. All, yeah, from from shows with Marilyn Manson before he even had an album out to I finally saw him with David Bowie. The last time on that tour was with David Bowie and I was really grateful to get to see that show. But but anyways, a nine snails seems like a gateway to other less accessible industrial bands like skinny puppy frontline assembly. In the the whole goth culture at large, where I felt pretty comfortable for a while, Trent resoner brought that mopy underground scene to the mainstream, for better or for worse, and that's kind of the point of this segment. You notice, since that era, popular music, at least in the rock side of things, has kind of made a shift from that good time party vibes of the s hair metal bands to the woe is me. Feel bad for me. Nobody understands theme that you see in a lot of bands today. It didn't necessarily start with nine inch nails. There was Nirvana and a lot of the grunge acts that delved into that sort of topic, you know, subject matter. But nine inch nails and later the new metal acts like corn and all those bands kind of got the tough dude metallica fans to whine about their feelings while they worked on their IROXI's or whatever. Mind you, that's usually when I lose interest, when the mainstream really accept something and kind of waters it down. But in the early S I was fertile ground for that Shit. I was a self centered, confused Goth Kid who didn't even know how to interact with girls or most of society in general yet. So I thought I'd brewed about it. And you know, good solution, right. Anyway, yeah, yeah, this. This other point I mentioned is that, while I'm in no way saying that artists shouldn't write about their darker feelings, and it's cool that kids can relate to angsty songs, but now we have this generation, this culture of entitled my feelings are paramount individuals who all think they have the right to not be offended. And and you have the the in Cell Movement, where guys actually feel that they have a genuine grievance because, you they can't get laid. The the the object of their unrequited affections, is the one to blame. It's not fair that you don't like me. You can almost directly trace all that back to this shift in lyrical content back in the s again. I'm not. I'm not against writing songs like that. I I feel like I wrote nothing but that Shit for years, but maybe that's kind of my point. We we all go through awkward teenage years. We all look for artists we can relate to, but the mix of hormones, drug experimentation and sexual frustration in my case made me like wallow in my dark periods and revel in the self destruction of drug use and abuse. When it got to that point, like when I started shooting heroin, I would feel like I really understood a song like hurt by nine snails or anything by Lane stalely and Alison chains. By the time I realized that there was nothing romantic about this junkie lifestyle, I was like so far gone. It's been decades of struggle trying to claw my way out. I I turned around one day not long ago and thought that any of the artists I liked who had heroin in their history and maybe cleaned up but wrote deep songs about it, they had maybe used for like six or seven years, if they weren't dead. But like Anthony Keyedis from red hot chili peppers or Dave gone from de Pesche mode, even Trent resner. Those guys dabbled for a few years, made a living out of writing about it, and that's it. I ended up in and out of jails, prisons, rehabs and dtoxes, or just wishing I was dead for years on end and not dying. No effects, because we have to mention them every episode, apparently. He Yeah Right, they have. They have a song on their most recent album called six years on dope, and they say it like it's a long time. I'm like, if I had stopped after six years on dope, I I would have still had most of my twenties...

...ahead of me. I'd yeah, I would have cleaned up at twenty four, if only. Anyway, I don't really know what my point is, but after all, I don't think artists should stop writing about their darker shit. I I don't think I want to hear the radio just blaring happy songs about doing blow off hookers, tits and in an all night party at the whiskey a go go like it was in the s. But I just I just noticed that the comfort I found as a confused, awkward team ultimately kept me trapped in those darker spots. And it's my own fault. I just twisted my favorite art into a justification for my shitty, self destructive behavior. I made some bad choices and I've been dealing with them ever since, and if not for some great supportive people in my life, I may never have gotten out of that gutter. I don't know, man, what what do you think about this sort of thing? Do you do you understand what I'm talking about? Like, well, I can say cocaine and titty. Sounds pretty damn good. Yeah, that's universal. The thing is, so I'm thinking you're saying like the music influenced a lot of your bad decisions. I think more that. Yeah, I don't know if it. I guess it. I used it to justify some of my bad decisions and it definitely yeah, yeah, I'd go so far as to say it influence them. Yeah, I can feel that. I mean in many ways, if it wasn't just music. I remember as a late teens I was really into Charles Bukowski. Oh Yeah, Oh yeah, and I would read his stuff and I would romanticize the idea of just being like a useless drunk and getting into all kinds of trouble and associated myself with some really unsavory people. So with that I wonder if we had more a the role model in our lives, maybe would that had been the case. Well, we had been so influenced, whether it's me by reading Bukowski, you buy nine nails or whatever, the music we were both listening to, because, you know, I remember but whole surfers was really big at that time for me as well, and I used to think, Hey, man, these guys are tripping balls on LSD. That's great, it's amazing, that's fun. I'm going to do LSD to you know or whatever. So yeah, yeah, man, I feel like we were in our teens listening to a lot of pretty crazy drug fueled stuff, whether it was the buttle surfers like you mentioned, or I remember we would listen to Mr Bungle, who, who? Oh, yeah, who, coincidentally, aren't really drug users themselves, but the the music was so crazy and yeah, freaking yeah, I used to joke with our friend Floyd, who we've mentioned before, that that I felt like back then. Oh if I think we should use as a punishment for children, give them LSD and make them listen to Mr Bungle, because it would terrible up their minds like Oh yeah, I'm gonna I'm going to give you this acid, I'm going to put on the Mr Bungle. You know, after one we are just talking about human kindness and our main topic, like yeah, I want to dose kids that make him listen to freaking Mr Bunk. Yeah, man, I'm not perfect now, but I mean this goes back right, right. Let's say if you were, I know we're time about nine nails. You brought up pink floyd, but let's say you were into a music scene. So many people in the s might have been into psychedelic rock and that influence them. The guys, the kids at would stock, you know. I mean on and on and on. The Brown asked that they circulating around us is not specifically too good through the ages of rock and roll. I'm sure there's many people looking back with some regret gone. Man, I really let that dictate who I was going to be at that time. Yeah, man, so we're not the only ones. Of course not. And I again I feel like I'm sounding like some kind of a fuddy duddy who's like there's music as bad for kids. I'm not saying that, I'm saying personally myself. I was so impressionable and I had, and I think there's a lot of people like that, when you're impressionable and you don't really know how to interact and all of a sudden you find this music written by someone else who's like singing, I don't know how to interact, I'm just gonna do drugs and and my heart was broken and I'm going to write a song about it's like that. Of course is going to find seem appealing to a to a kid going through the same thing. It's just when did it become a possibility or a real option to take that angst that maybe you're sympathizing with the music and actually go and and shoot up a school or kill yourself or, Geez, you want you know what I mean. It's gotten to that point where who do you blame? You blame music, you Plame Video Games, movies, but we become typical. I don't know what to say many either. That's what I'm saying. There's no really answer. I I present...

...questions, I don't have the answers and I don't know if there are answers. I just I feel like in my case, I looked up to a lot of people who were drug addicts, who were, you know, creative dark souls. It's fucking John Denver and his Rocky Mountain High. That's what it was. fucked us all up. Yeah, Dude, fucking John Denver. Yeah, he was the beginning of the end for me. Rainbow for great boat connection. It's a beautiful song, by the way. I still listen to it from time to time. Yeah, man, I'm turning into such an softy in my old age. You doing the second high school like yeah, crank the Cannibal Corpse, man, and now you're like, oh, it's kermit at the band Joe. Yeah, crank it up, Dude. Yeah, I don't know. I'd still go see Cannibal course, personally, but there you go. Yeah, I wouldn't. To each their own, you know, absolutely. But yeah, I think when you start out with your whole thing, it made a lot of sense thing, you know, and I was there, there many people that were there. Being a teenager sucks. You so impressionable. It's just it's just the age, you know. So again, if, like many people across the world, if you don't have that strong influence in your life, your mom, your dad, a brother, I don't even know a friend that can kind of say to you, Hey, listen, that is just music, this is just a video game. You know, it's not you. You gravitate towards that and it's relatable to you, and that's just who we are. Yeah, man, but anyway, those I just wanted to bring up some of that. It's I think a lot about where things went wrong in my life. You know, it's hard not to, especially the years I spent locked up or in different facilities. I'd often be thinking, like what made me go the path I went? And and so it's like sometimes I, you know, want to Muse on one of the possibilities. So it's like, you know, I think all of these are factors. I don't think there's one thing. I think, you know, we are a some of our parts are influences and are, you know, the people around us and the things we like. We're we're some of that, and so whatever it is, I think it was a mix of influences of music, art and yeah, maybe lack of role models and being monitored, like we touched on last episode. But ultimately I think it was a lot of bad choices, man. All I'm Trent Residu. Yeah, I actually need to be honest. I find it interesting. Where and you were like, well, you know, they were only on drugs for six yeah, dude, but in a way, like, is that like something fault, Somebody Order? No, I'm like, Hey, it's always almost like saying like they weren't really in the scene. Now I know that, as I'm saying it, I understand that it sounds like those pussies, they were only on Harrow rights. But yeah, but what I think more, what I mean when I say that, is that these guys, at least, we're able to get out of it. I'm they say some are sicker than others. I think my point is just that, wow, man, I was so messed up that. Take any of these famous addicts. I was deeper in a hole than any of them. And it's not a badge of honor. I'm saying like wow, like things got fucked up, man, and right, you know, I'll keep it real. It's like life got fucked up for a long time and that's a story for another day. But you know, I just future episode, future episode, Sure, man, but I don't know, I just just an interesting topic and yeah, no, definitely, yeah, exactly how much you are the influences from, from these forms of media. You know, how much do they take control? And, to be honest with you, a lot, a lot. It's just can we resist them? And even then, you know, maybe your little testimonial there, if you can take it from both sides of the coin once. I would be like, well, there you go, there's a prime example why you shouldn't be exposed to certain things or a certain things shouldn't exist. But then the other side would say, well, listen, that's just a prime showing a freedom right and how some people could listened to that same album and not been taken down right and not, you know, had a drug habit and what have you. For so long, so different strokes for different folks. Right, millions have listened to the albums and dark artwork and not had issues. I'm just I don't know, it's some of us just took it a little more literally, I guess, than others. Yeah, no, absolutely. I used to get in trouble into school for my my band t shirts. Were band t shirts were everything worse man, you had to go rep you know, and I got in trouble for a bad religion t shirt yeah, and a Danzigg t shirt. I had had to meet in front of the school. But yeah, and Bartlett High School and Webster Mass and I had a really cool principle, Mr Charboneau. He was cool dude, and he'd always said to me like, Dave, man, what's with all the rage? You...

...know, I get you want to express yourself. Why can't you just listen to the Beatles? And I was like, Beatles are fucking Shit, man, you don't, they don't know how I feel. And of course, what am I listening to now? I love the Beatles, the Beatles. Yeah, so, you know, I like the othern as. I was watching how fleetwood Mac on PBS, I'm like, Damn, these motherfuckers know how to jam, rocking good stuff, man, it's rocking good time, exactly like bands now can't produce music like this, you know. So, yeah, old fogy, but again, luckily we both made it through our dark times. And then wherein I am lucky enough to be able to watch fleetwood MAC on PBS. This is this is the pinnacle of existence, people, right, this is what putting it all back together looks like. Yeah, and you look at Stevie Nicks and you think, man, for such a bad cocaine habit her nose doesn't look half bad, right. Yeah, you know, yeah, so, yeah, I would have thought you would have looked a lot like more like Michael Jackson at the end. You know, yeah, not too many will, as that's as some hard living. Right. There is some with was it himpy had? Was the name of the Monkey? Bubbles? Bubbles? Yeah, yeah, when he when he start rocking a monkey around with you to public events? You know something, right, why do I know that his name was bubbles? I don't know that, but hey, sou useless information will follow that, right. My mind is so full of youths useless information. Man. I've I'm good at Trivia Nights, but as far as like just skills for general living, I don't know. I got to open up some room, some memory somewhere in my head. Hey, you know, nate enclosing on this, I do have a question for you. Now, as a young teen, that music made you do or feel a certain way. Yeah, what about when you listen to it now? It's funny, man. I listened to the old stuff that I used to listen to and by now I've listened to it so much a lot of that visceral meaning. I don't want to say it's lost, but it's definitely dulled. It's definitely I could I just hear a good song now. I mean if I, if I get baked and listened to downward spiral, it's still can blow my mind if I'm paying attention. But but Trent Resner as a man, it's funny. I went a couple of years back, two thousand and fourteen, my girlfriend and I went to see the twenty anniversary of the downward spirals of the album being released actually, and I was lucky enough the opening act was sound garden was there too, and because it was the twenty anniversary of super unknown, from them. But that's besides the point. A lot of twenty if anniversaries going at well, this was one Thousan nine hundred and ninety four was fuck, we're old ude. Nineteen and ninety four was a great year from music and and so. But yeah, I was able to see Chris Cornell before he died. Is My point with that. But but Trin Resner, the way he writes music musically, like with the equipment he uses, the way he writes songs is so different nowadays and his subject matter has has changed a lot too, because he's not this angsty kid. I get pissed off when an artist gets successful and grows up and is a lot older and they're still writing songs about Mommy didn't love me and you know, I had a horrible childhood and Blah, Blah, and and still write songs like they're in high school. But I don't know, it's like it's where do you find your muse? I think it's great that Trent Resner has continued to write music. I'm not as interested in the new stuff because I don't know, it just doesn't connect with me the same way it used to. But okay. But anyway, now it's time for the MOMS in the popp is bro exactly, man, I don't know. I play in a band and we do like bluegrass and psychedelic weird stuff. Man. Yeah, so I know I will. I will stand by this, though, when you're a kid, he'd always hear. Yeah, when the band is stopped doing drugs, they start to suck and overall, there's generally true. It is true. I hate to say it, but it's true. Yeah, you know, it's terrible, right, but they just like everybody else. You stopped the drugs, you suck. Hey, you know it is. What is? They still a millionaires and we are not, or billion air's or whatever the case may be. So, yeah, I don't know. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Here you go, buddy, and right now we're going to wrap up the show. I want to give everybody out there a big old virtual hug. Thank you for tuning in and again, if you ever want to reach out to us or fall the show at selling out show on twitter. You can talk to us on they're selling out show at gmailcom is our email Addie, so feel free to send us some electric correspondence. But yeah, we dig get man. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. We love you, we do. So. I'm Dave and that's nate, and this has been selling out. Awesome guys like you do the time. So what you...

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