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Episode 29 · 2 years ago

Ep.#29 Indirect Amends

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Our esteemed hosts are easing into the summer with a handful of topics to discuss for your listening pleasure. They talk about Nate’s life on the reservoir, swimming with critters that give Dave the heebie jeebies. Then Dave’s back problems prompt a look at the issue of painkiller prescriptions.
Nate looks back at a few cases of MRSA (the serious staph infection) he remembers witnessing during his time in jail, and the imperfect science of jailhouse tattoos.
Dave turns 41, which gets him thinking of some of the shameful behaviors of youth that he’s since overcome. We learn that it’s possible to really change, and to become better people.
To finish things up, Nate’s Notes revisits Black Metal, but focuses on some of the artists who have done something new and interesting within the framework of the genre.

1:18- Reservoir Reservations
3:04- Dave’s Back and Painkiller Issues
11:19- Jailhouse Tats and MRSA
25:36-At 41, Dave Reflects on Some Past Mistakes
34:32-Nate’s Notes (Black Metal Variations)
44:29-Clip: Come On Down by Zeal and Ardor
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...your energy level and everything, it'slike cocaine, right. Yeah, well, it's a it's a attitude adjuster,it's a you know, you definitely that's that's one of the big issueswith opiates. It's not that people always assume opiates knocked people out. Theythink of heroin x as these people and Drool and fallen over. But man, to the people that use them, you can't really get out of bedwithout them. You they give you the energy, they give you that feelingof of yeah, you could take on the world, man. It's it'sstrange how things sometimes work the opposite way, you think, the way add allis given to hyperactive kids. Most of us get an energy boost fromadderall or riddle in, but the people that need them, it actually focusesthem and makes them super. Yeah, like they they all I don't wantto say they calm down, but they they're able to settle and focus ofallot one thing, you know. Yes, exactly, and that's basically where Iwas coming from with my pain men's too, is as much as Iwas hooting in hollerant about how great purpose that's. Were they actually helped myback significantly and now I'm in this spot where my doctor doesn't want to giveme anything. I've had some x rays done. It's shown that I havescoliosis, which really is common. I guess we from when I found onGoogle. Again, the worst thing you can ever do is Google, butI do it anyway, and and they were like okay, kids, itgoes away. There's different variations of it. When you're older it could be badif it's degenerative. So you got to be weary of that, becausethis is scoliosis, a curvature of the spine. Based exactly it's not it'snot aligned and I've never been diagnosed with that before, even having to backsurgeries previously to lamb and ECTOMIES. So I'm alarmed, you know. SoI'm like, well, I guess we need the MRI, and she's likeyou absolutely do. My Insurance Company has denied it now twice, twice,so I don't know why I get these rejection letters. It's basically like readingGreek, you know, for me. You know, the letter will read. Our independent position has reviewed your file and found with conservative forms of medicine, you might be able to manage your pain. But how the fuck doeshe know that just by the x Ray when everybody else is recommending I getthe MRI? What the fuck is going on here? So I finally,I've had a lot of problems recently my doctor. This is besides the wholetestosterone debacle. For any of our previous listeners, we've heard about that.I won't talk about that now, but you're more than welcome to jump intoour archive and dip into my testosterone pool. It does sound very disguss and wonderful, and I bet you what end or harder than your reservoir. Okay, yeah, well, they is. Now it's like my doctor is kindof washing her hands or cleaning her hands with me. She's like, okay, I referred to you to a pain specialist. From now on you go. You go to her. I'm not giving you anything, I'm not goingto recommend any more MRIs. Insurance companies. Is Not doing anything for you withme, so go to them instead. Maybe they'll have better luck. AndI'm like yeah, thanks for fighting for your patient, doc right.She's passing the buck. And of course I call the pain management specialist andthey're like, Oh yeah, we'll see it in about a month. We'rebooked up and I'm like you gotta be fucking kidney. So here I amwrithing in misery waiting for someone just to say, Hey, let me helpyou out. Your poor crooked bastard. When it was an issue, though, the way it swung back pendulum was when it was the other way andthey were overprescribing. I mean, I knew people. We're in Massachusetts.I knew people that would specifically take a ride, drive down to Florida andhit all the pain clinics they could down there, because their records weren't interlocked, intermingled, whatever you call it. They they were completely separate. Sothese people could hit, one after another, after another, all these pain clinics, drive back to Massachusetts with hundreds of perk assets and oxies and vicingand all these opiates. And because the pain clinics were just they're like stores, man, you just go in and they were given them to anybody.And just to finish this off, I was actually in conquered state prison overa decade ago with a gentleman who seemed completely out of place. This guywas very proper, very very meek and mild. Older gentleman probably in hislate S or Elys s. He was apparently all of a sudden we sawhim on the news one day when he had gone to court. He wasat the time the famous Cape Cod doctor, or whatever they call them, doDr feel good of the Cape, and he was prescribing people left andright, and I, being an addict in there for drug related activities,if you will, I used to get into conversations with the guy because hewas under the the opinion he had that he was of the opinion that whoeverneeded these things, whether they were addicted,...

...however they came to be addicted,if they came to him, he was like, look, my issueis if they have access to the drugs they need, they're not going tocommit the crimes, they're not going to do all the problems. Then basicallythe supplies the only issue. So he was thinking, as long as theyjust have what they need, what's the problem? And I myself have alwayspointed to someone like Lane Staley from Alice and chains, where if someone hasunlimited access to their drug of choice, eventually all you want to do isthat drug and your habit gets bigger and bigger and bigger and before you knowit. That's all you're doing. Lane stalely from Alice and chains was wouldlock himself in his house for weeks on end and when he died, noone knew he was dead for over a week because no one would ever seehim anymore. So my argument to this doctor was just there's more to itthan just the criminal problem. Like, eventually it does take over your life. So it the best route is always to get off the drugs. Folks. You. Yeah, I'm sure the doctor wanted to hear. That wasmy argument. The doctors like, yeah, you know, I was driving aMaserati. What do you fucking talking about? But you are absolutely correct. The best thing is to get up drugs if you don't need to takethe drugs, but if you are in pain, right, tough noogies now, baby. You know, and I'm yeah, hopefully right. Assume Floridahas fixed your system, because I just think about being like they're just usingpaper. It's like they don't even use electronic yeah, no forms of communicationanymore. Record keeping. Yeah, right, like then, when the fucking Chads? They just sticking with it. Yes, no technology, fuck youtechnology. Yeah, that's that's fucked up. It's in interesting I don't know ifif you've ever seen the look of the jail house tattoo, Dave,there's there's a very specific look when you see Chintzy Jail House Tats, youknow, and yeah, they have a look and I was surprised actually inmy years of being in jail I did see some quality ink, some greatartists that actually did some great work. But the problem is the ink fades, of course, over time because they're not given real good ink. Thethe dude, the ink in jail that they use for tattoos is made basicallyby burning plastic, whether it's as usually the it's usually the disposable razors thatyou buy on canteen and you burn the handles, the metal, the plasticrather handles, and you put a paper bag over the burning razor. Becausethe floors are stone, you don't have to worry about burning the floor.So you so you burn this razor, you light it on fire, asit's flaming up, you put a paper bag over it, standing up overit to catch all the smoke, which acts both to kind of cover thesmell a little bit so the guards don't smell it as easily, which youknow, doesn't really work. But anyway, that then when you're done, whenit's done burning, the inside of the bag, the paper bag,is coated with a fine layer of soot, black coating, you know, overthe bag. So you basically scrape all that black damn dread off thebag. Yeah, it's like a powder at this point, of black,fine black powder, and you scrape it into a container. You have thisblack powder. Then they mix it with water and basically it's just, Ibelieve, water and then they throw a little soap or shampoo in for somereason. And this, I believe, is just jail house, Dude.This is like jail house and Sterilisa. That's exactly what I think, Dude. I think that the jailhouse folks think it makes it all cleaner, becausea lot of things they do in jail don't make sense, you know,but people have their reasons. Like, for for example, people make homebrewand they'll have the fruit and the sugar and everything, which is all alluse want to make home but but some of these people will throw bread,look slices of bread, because they say, oh, it's got the yeast manbeer has eat. Dude. They they don't realize yeast and bread isalready activated and dead. It's not making your alcohol any better, from whatI understand, but they do it and that basically just makes it so youhave these clumps of soggy ass bread, in fermented fruits. It's fucking girls. So Fuck Yeah, Du imagin drinking and getting the chunk of saggy's boiledmilk or so there's just sounds. So yeah, feeling it's awful, man. But but back to the the ink. So yeah, they basically that's allit is. mean, it's just the water and whatever whatever, disinfectingsoaper, whatever they throw in there. Mix It with the black powder andthen whatever. They make a tattoo gun out of a motor from the hairclippers on the block or whatever, and they make a needle out of asharpened paper clip or or piece of the...

...screen out of your window. Theybreak off and make like a little needle. It's all making moused. But but, dude, jail is all jailhouse, mcguy verus like. I've seen peoplesmoke crack out of a chicken bone and there's the it's like I likeit, I believe. But so jail has tattoos. It gets me thinkingof these these two guys. Man, I don't know if our listeners remember. It was a big thing a few years back and I'm sure it's stillan issue in a lot of facilities. But Mersa, it's a. Itstands for methicillin resistant Staphylococcus Aureus, some mouthful, but it basically means it'sstaff infection. It's a staff infection that's resistant to Methicillin, which is likea strong aunt about. So it's basically super, super staff infection and anyopen soars, open spots and your skin are susceptible, especially in facilities likea jail or hospitals have Mersa all the time, ironically. But anyway,do these two guys is that I knew got locked in. They were cellmates and they got locked in together. They both got whatever, it wasa week of Lockins for some reason. So they had a tattoo gun.They were both tattoo artists. They were just like fuck it, will justsit in here and Tattoo each other for the week we're locked in and justbe covered with ink by the time we get out. So Dude, theseguys just yeah, they were writing on each other these shitty ass tattoos.They weren't the best artists, and so after a few days we notice they'recalling the nurses over because they notice they were having all these blisters and brothersall over the fucking fresh tattoos. Yeah, they're all gross and infected. Theyhad to fucking tell the nurse to because they got to try antibiotics.And this shit's serious, dude. You know, it's fucking mercy. Theywere trying to deny that they were fresh tattoos, like it's just a coincidencethat these mercer bubbles just happened to be forming under some like scabbed up inkon them. Like, on top of that, do when you go intojail, they document all your existing tattoos and scars and whatnot, so foridentity and and to know right if you're getting new ink on the insect.That's a fence in there, you know. So so these morons we're getting shittytattoos made with ash and Shampoo and then they get bubbles all of themselves. They they get lugged to the fucking hole after that because they have aretattooing each other and they lose their good time that they've been a crwing andand on top of it, yeah, they contract some crazy staff infection that'sreally hard to fucking cure. So anyway, those dudes were, yes, notthe brightest guys, but but anyway, I don't know, man, thisI got me thinking also about so the Mersa got me thinking about thisdude I used to buy dope off of on the street and I didn't knowthis guy from jail really, but I knew him on the street and hewas in a wheelchair when I met him because he had actually lost his legfrom Mersa that he got in jail and I don't know if it was fromtattoos. But yeah, he dude. He lost a leg and he hadhe had a big lawsuit going against the jail and when I knew him,like I said, it was on the street but the lawsuit was still goingon at that time and he sold dope. So he was one of those dudesthat holds a sign on the street corner, like the homeless guys.They call it stemming. You stem for cash, you stand on the streetwith a sign for some reason to call it stemming. But I would callthis guy ahead of time and he would hobble over from his spot on thecorner where is signing over to the Dunkin donuts or whatever to go use thepublic restroom, and then in the restroom he would remove the appropriate number ofbags of dope that I had ordered from inside his crutch where they were hidden. It was pretty fucking clever, you know. People Aren't searching his crutchesor even thinking about like then you would go post back up at the streetcorner with the Shit in his hand, the dope, and I would driveup hand him the money and he would hand off the dope and it alljust looked like I was giving this bum money at a charity. So nobodywas nobody was a wiser dude. It's pretty clever, you know. Idon't know. That was a pretty smart, smart dude. I don't know howhe contracted the Mercer, but anyway, I don't know. I don't knowwhatever happened to him, like if he ever got that settlement. Buthonestly, dude, if he did, he probably just od on dope withit, you know. And knowing the guy, he probably odd and diedbefore he ever even saw that money. It would he was like, dude, he was a rough Junki just like this old, fucking crusty junkie thatspent the majority of his life on Dope,...

...and the the worst thing, dude, that I think about him is that that settlement that he had againstlike coming from the lawsuit or whatever May, may have fucking been the best thingto happen to this guy. Like, I know that's really sad, butlike it's just kind of fucked up like that. Dudes, like yeah, I lost, you know, I lost a leg and I was injail for a long time, but dude, I got all this money coming.I can get so high, like hey, listen, it's no slitdown, dude. Really, he won, he got the money and he startedto eat internet start up and created a company that sells a new kindof crutch with various compartments. Tell do hold things and he's actually like amillionaire right now. We don't know. Wow, we'll see him on sharkexactly? You could see him on shock Tang I do. I do thinkit's funny. Like people behind you must have been thinking like, oh,that's one of those motherfuckers that gives those people money. What a nice guy. That's a nice guy right there, giving that poor son of a bitch. Ten dollars. Wait, how much? Well, I mean, I'd gothere with anywhere from he sold s. So I'd go there with at leastforty bunch. Somebody's watching there, like Jesus, it's a really niceguy. You just hit him a couple of times. I think I'm thinkingabout is these two dudes that you told me that ended up contracting the Mercaif you're if you're in a cell and you tattooing shitty tattoos on each otherfor a week, there's going to be like, you know, a momentof lost inspiration at some point where you just like doing tick TAC toe onthe bottom others feet or something like that, just for shits. And Gay guys. I mean, how many of you? If you were in therefor a week, how many tattoos could you think of? Right, I'mstopping myself from saying from you know what you'd actually want, because I thinkat that point you doesn't even matter what you do. Would do not want, but but still like what would sound like a good, good or badidea. Like if someone said to me, yeah, you put a dragon onyour wrist, you like yeah, cool as bad ass, right.But then you know, four days later it's like, yeah, what abouta Tweedie bird on your ankle? Man. You know what was left to do? Yeah, how many crosses and fucking rosary beads can you do?Man? Spider web tattoos. It is a jailhouse and you see fucking spiderwebs and rosaries. Dude. That was always the tattoos. Like, Ihad let a few bids that I did. I let people know that I wasan artist, which is well, that I draw. That was ashitty thing to do, because people are always bugging you and if you wantto, if you're that tape of Dude, you can make a ton of money. I've mentioned before there's a lot of jail house entrepreneurs. But,Dude, if you I'm not the type that likes to draw on demand.I just like to own it when it strikes me. Yeah, and thesepeople would be like, Oh shit, dude, draw a picture of mykid this, you know, draw a picture of this. And then itwas always dude, everyone has a pair of hands praying with a rosary wrappedaround them and like whatever, saying please forgive me, or Mama, Itried, or Blah, Blah Blah. You know, it says. Itsays ubiquitous or whatever, as the tear drop or the arm wires, andshe's yeah, or the lightning boats on the white dudes. You see alot of those Yai. Yeah, man, I was going to say the theone I think they should bring back is a tiger clawing through the skid. That needs to make a triumphant return to people's bodies everywhere, because nowit's all fucking different languages that people don't know what the fuck it means anyway. Right, right. so He's a white frat boy with the fucking Chinesesymbol on his neck. It was, and you know that they're jokingly,you know, Asian people are putting like, I don't know, I eat humanwaste. You know, are weird symbols. That's a stupid shit,you know they're. People are like, Oh, it means pride and honor, but then a Asian person looks at it and, giggling, because Ican handle to really, says ha ha, yeah, exactly. Pop Star.WHO's that one? Arianna Grande, and she did something on her hand. It was some kind of I figured what language it was and of courseshe'd immediately had to rush to Instagram to show off that she's got this thisink on her hand, and then people flocked to reply and say that isnot what that says, you have it wrong. And of course she mustbeen fucking embarrassed beyond belief. But Hey, that's the culture we live in.Everybody's going to be like, look at me, look at me,I'm first, or Oh my God, look at this cool thing I got, like shut up, shut the fuck up, relax. Everyone wants tobe unique, and the funny thing is people conform into nonconformity, if youknow what I'm saying. They all they...

...all think they're being unique, butthey all end up doing the same things. So they're all they're all doing thenonconformist thing, so they're convailed it. And you know, just to youdon't mind me closing this out here. My thought is not these motherfuckers togo get that foreign language shit that you can't understand or you don't knowwhat it is, tattooed on you. Here's what's going to happen. Weare going to lock you in a hot cell with two dudes with massive casesof Mersa for a week. Sure, we all know vaping saves lives,but now I want to save you some money. Visit Northland Vaporscom, probablymade in North Dakota. Northland Vapors Line of e liquids contain no artificial sweeteners, are dight tone free and won't gunk up your coils, whether you're quittingsmoking or an experience. Vapor Northland carries a variety of flavors and hardware,making it a onestop shop for all your vaping needs. 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Thisin itself is a triumphant thing and it should be celebrated. I shouldbe happy, and, in honesty, I am, even though I'm moreof one of those guys that I prefer atmosphere over gifts. Okay, ifyou know what I mean, like experience. Well, when people say, Oh, we're going to have a party for you, going to have cake, when I have this, that's all fine and Dandy. I don't mind. But for me, a perfect birthday is just like a day of relaxing. Like you don't need to buy me a bunch of Shit. I don'tneed a fucking, you know, expensive this or whatever. I mean,they're Nice, and I did get some presents this year that we're very,very kind and very thoughtful, don't get me wrong, but the most importantthing for me is, again, the atmosphere, how the day goes ifI'm able just to be happy and be with my loved ones. But backto the reflection thing is I started thinking back on my life and I havea lot of regrets, a lot of people do, you know, andone of those things that I wish I could change is a laundry list ofthem. But one thing in particular that kind of bothered me this year morethan any other was how badly I treated women in the past. Oh Yeah, and when I say this, it's not because I was abusing women,hitting women. Well, I should stopped myself. It may it probably wasa form of abuse, but it wasn't violent. Right, okay, I'dnever hit women or did any kind of violent acts. I cheated them likeconquests, especially when I was younger. Guy Viewed all women as sex objects, and there's a couple of girls in particular that I can recall that were, you know, all over me and interested. God only knows why,why, you know. I mean, mind you, I was an okaylooking guy back then. I mean, if you looked at me now,you'd be like, who the fuck would fight over you fat ass? Butstill, and one of them I spent the night with, one I kickedher out. The other girl came in and I was treating her bad andI made her perform a sex act on me, okay, and I said, if you do this, well you can sleep in my bed, butif you don't, you have to go sleep somewhere else. And this,who the fuck does this? And Anyway, I woke up that morning and shewasn't in my bed, she was on the little love seat across theroom. And I know, and I'm not it pains me to admit thatthis is the kind of person I used to be. And Mind you,it was a long time ago. You knew me then. Yeah, youknew I was then and I was terrible. Yeah, we were all, youknow, to wish hid point in time. Yeah, yes, Iwas a foolish kid, but even then I should have had more respect forwomen, and especially, especially the ones that were willing to to, youknow, be involved with me. Yeah, I have us. I have asingle mother who worked very hard to raise me without a father, youknow what I mean. I never had any sisters or anything, but Ishould have taken her as an example and thought to myself, well, thisgirl or that girl that I'm not treating so well or being rude to howwould I like it if someone treated my mother that way? And it soundsvery simple and basic when you put it forth like that, but but that'sbecause it's the right thing to do. It's the right way to think rightand unfortunately, is taking me, you know, all these years to well, I should say all these years I've been good. You know, Itry to live a good life. You...

...know what I mean, but ittook me a long time definally realize that was bad fucking behavior. Yeah,you know what I mean. Sure, man, it takes a while tolearn things. That takes a well to break behaviors. Break Habitch you willbehaviors, you know, and I don't know, man, I did alot of things, obviously, that I'm not proud of in my life too, and we all can just hope that the decisions we make going forward orbetter. And and then you put enough good experiences behind you and next thingyou know, it's that's your new habitual behavior. You know, hopefully thegood ones are the become habits. So I don't know. I was speakingof the same Sun. That's a pain in the ass, or reminding meof forty one every every ten minutes is I try to instill in him.You've got to treat people well. Yeah, you know, you great, reallydo well. That's the thing. I can't do anything about the past, nothing, and it kills me. But all I can do is affectthe world I live in now and do the best I can not to besome kind of toxic fucking lunkhead, you know, or or exhibit that kindof behavior at all, because I really stopped acting that way. I wasgoing to say my late s maybe. Yeah. So here I am atforty one finally looking back when not fuck, but it's I spent more time,I think, being a fuck wad that I have been a decent humanbeing. Yeah, but you're that's the scale. Is is tipping. It'sgradually going the other way, man. You know, the years are addingup and and it's interesting in the twelve step community, the whatever, thesecret society's if you will, the the whole eighth and ninth steps are allabout making a list of amends, and then the ninth is, you know, making the amends, and there there well documented talk about them and moviesand whatnot. And the thing is, there's there's an issue that a lotof people have where the amends they need to make can't be made, whetherthe person that you wronged is dead, there's no way for you to contactthem, or they just don't want to talk to you, or whatever itis, or it's it's something that it's too general. You, it's notone person or one thing. You just feel bad about a situation. Sothey suggest what's called making indirect amends where, yeah, you do something positive forin that person's name, if they're dead or if you can't contact them, you you do something that you know they would have appreciated or they wouldlike you. You help someone if that something that would have made them happy, or you don't eat money to a charity they would have liked, oryou whatever it is. You you kind of pay it forward. You dosomething nice while thinking of that person, right and with that intention. Sothose are called indirect amends. So you know, at the very least,are not at the very least that's that's just something you can do rights.So yeah, man, I think it's enough that you've changed the way younot only act but think about things, and hopefully that's all we can hopefor, man, that's we get to stop objectifying women. Absolutely now Ihear these stories about, you know, women getting cat called and everything else, I mean on and on, or women not getting equal pay for equalwork. All this stuff just fucking infuriates me absolutely. I worry that Icontributed to that in my past and I really want to change the future anywayI can, and this podcast, I guess, serves, is one way, because I could have said as my birthday. Hahaha, look at me. Everybody say Happy Birthday, but rather than that, I said it's mybirthday. Look at what kind of fucking piece of Shit I was, youknow what I mean? Like look, you know, and I think Idon't know a lot of a lot of times for me, and I ama very conscious guy about what I did and everything else like that. IHmm, I just really wish maybe my message we get out to somebody elseand they'll go dude, I don't want to be like Dave looking back allthose years later and being angry and filled with regret over my behavior. Ihope, I hope anybody out there listening, if you are acting that way,it's not too late. Change now, because I live a fucking happy life. Day from the selling out show, here to tell you about spunk Loub? Spunk loube is a multi award winning mover can't use by professionals inthe adult film industry. Spunk is available in hybrid, pure silicone, naturaland pick spunk is made with the highest quality ingredients and is non standing,hypoellogenic and cleans with ease. Enhance your love life with spun right now.SPUNK LOUBE is by three, get one free. There's no excuse not togive it a try. SPUNK LOUB A high end product for an affordable price. Is it? Spunk loubecom today and you can thank me later. Doesyour lps? It's time for nate.

No, I've done segments in whichI've mentioned black metal before on this show. It's a Um colorful, Jean Ounraof metal music with an equally colorful history. I don't need to gointo the theatrics and costume re the corpse paint, the leather and spikes.I don't need to re mention the church burnings and murders that marked the earlyNorwegian scene. All this stuff has been gone over add infinitum, but notjust me but by countless books, magazine articles and film documentaries. It's inherentlycompelling subject matter, saying nothing of the actual music. But of course themusic matters. Sure it's interesting to know that a bunch of Scandinavians were worshipingSatan and committing arson and murder while dressed up like weird viking metal heads withpainted faces. But without a unique musical identity, black metal wouldn't have spreadout countless other countries and thrived the way it has in the years since thosefabled beginnings in the early S. black metal started as a more stripped down, gritty reaction to the overblown and almost mainstreamifi'd death metal scenes at the time. The signature black metal sound back then was largely an underproduced ones, scratchyand fuzzed out, lots of distortion over frantically tremolo picked minor key melodies onthe guitar, a lot of simple and primal blast beats on the drums,which were mixed so muddily that it was just a hissy blur of noise,sloppily keeping the beat. The vocals were screeched harshly and unintelligibly. Often thelyrics were in Norwegian or Icelandic, but you couldn't even tell, especially theway they were mixed into the rest of the distorted blur. I realized thatthe way I'm describing those recordings one might assume it's unlistenable garbage, and it'sdefinitely an acquired taste. But oddly the speed of the guitar and drums justgets washed out by the gritty production and the result is a unique musical atmospherethat is really much more than the sum of its roughly recorded parts. Astime went on, a few bands started experimenting with things like keyboards and somewhatcleaner recording techniques. Some bands would even put elements of norse folk music andchanting vocals and their songs. It definitely added to the unique identity of thegenre, but as a scene started by Grumpy purists who were rebelling against toomany frills and their metal music, there was a fair share of blowback.Early bands like mayhem and immortal, who stuck to the neanderthal pounding on drumsand guitars, had a lot of fans who thought it was too wimpy andcheesy to add since an actual singing to the mix. To this day thereare the black metal equivalents to the Simpsons Comic Book Guy Who refused to validateanything that isn't, quote, true black metal, meaning anything recorded audibly oranything that dares to step outside the strictly basic formula created by the originators.But to most of us the bands that do add some different elements are oftenthe most exciting. In the decades since that initial Scandinavian explosion, black metalacts have popped up in countries around the world, from Asia to South America, France and Greece to the United States, and while there are a number ofthem that stick to the tried and true original formula, it's become moreand more common to use that original formula as more of a canvas to workon top of. I mean, to me, the most interesting bands fromthose original acts were the ones that added keyboards, etc. To spice upthis new sound. Emperor was one of the first acts to come out ofNorway in those formative years, and they used keyboards and pretty common plex rhythmsto make their own more symphonic version of that sound. Olver was another onefrom that first pack of Norwegians who actually moved on from the very traditional andbasic sound of their first few albums to create some truly unique in experimental workever since. Nowadays, I don't think...

...you could even classify over as ablack metal band at all. They work with electronic instruments and produced mostly ambientmusic and trip hop. A few bands, like France's Blut House Nord, whichI guess means northern blood, have found that industrial music partners well withthe black metal template. They've produced a lot of really cool albums. I'llsest is another French band that formed later on, but they worked in alot of elements of shoe gays and Indie Rock, a strange pairing, onewould think, but the sort of dark, somber feelings of shoe gays, asfound in bands like my bloody Valentine or Slowdive, Mesh pretty seamlessly withblack metal. I'll sest has a huge following, and for good reason.They actually inspired a lot of bands to create similar music, of course,with its own subgenre title now called Black Gaze in Sirt I roll here.The Black Gay's phenomenon has caused a lot of controversy and black metal circles.I've already mentioned how fans of the genre are pretty attached to genre norms andcan be resistant to say the least. Two changes in their beloved scene,at least, I'll sest, kept some of the visual trappings going for theirearly work. The real problem started with some North American acts working in theblack gays structure. Deaf Heaven is one of my favorite bands in this subgenre. They've gotten mixed reactions from the public at large. Hailing from San Francisco, they've basically ditched the whole spikes and corpse paint thing for your standard hipsterhaircuts and skinny jeans, maybe a leather jacket or two. But these guysare charismatic dudes that smile a lot, and that just pisses off a lotof curmudgeon Lee purests. I know it sounds petty and silly, and itis to me, if someone is making genuinely interesting music that I couldn't careless how they cut their hair or whether they wear enough bullet belts in spikedbracelets, but these black metallers are passionate to say the least. So asa result, deaf heaven is one band that gets a lot of hate,at least in the comment section of Youtube. And to finally get around to thesuggested song for this episode. Zeal and ardor are another band that didsomething new with the black metal template. It's the brainchild of one guy actually, Manuel Gano, or Gagno, I'm not sure you say it, buthe's a Swiss American artist of biracial descent. Not that it should really matter,but black metal unfortunately also has an unfortunate subset of racist fans. Notto get into it, but one of the subgenres of black metal is NSBM, or national socialist black metal. I'd rather not acknowledge those acts, butI'll just say that when Manuel from zeal and ardor first started releasing metal onhis social media pages, after initially being like an indie chamber pop artist,he asked the listeners online what they thought would be an interesting combination of genresfor him to try mixing. Being a black man, Manuel got some cringeworthyresponses, including one that said try mixing black metal with N Word Music.But of course they said the word, which could have meant like hip hopor rb mixed with black metal. But Manuel took it differently and decided toblend black metal with old time slave music and blues. The irony is thatthis guy was trying to insult menuel and inadvertently gave him an idea that wasnew and exciting, and ultimately zeal and ardor gained all kinds of buzz andrespect for their work. So, insimmation, black metal is a genre that,despite occasionally being resistant to change, can really be an exciting field inwhich to explore new ideas. If you can get past all the harsher elements, there's a lot of stuff for a music fan to explore. Now,for those listeners who maybe didn't get a...

...chance or didn't feel like listening tothe song suggested, which was come on down by zeal and ardor, willjust play a little clip of it for you guys here. So yeah,dude, I don't know. I think Zelond ardor is one band that definitelythey take elements of things that may not sound completely unique, but the waythey put them together is unique, and that's that's what I was getting atabout. You know them at I know it's not your cup of tea,you're not a metal guy at all, but could you at least appreciate theelements that he threw together and we did it at all? Or Yeah,you know, I like the most is a backstory that you told me aboutthe racism. Yeah, and it was like, okay, with this guywants to come at me like this, you know what I'm going to dothat. And it is pretty pretty. It's a genius, yeah, itreally is. So that's a really great approach. Right man, like afew years ago, the song full disclosure is actually a few years old,and the first thing that he put out was some I forget. It wasa short ep that he just put online. It was never released physically and itgot so much buzz somehow. I guess nowadays, all these soundcloud artistsor band camp and whatnot, people are breaking through that way. So peoplestarted listening and he got reviews by popular youtube reviewers and whatever, and thebuzz was created and his next album, his full length, which is calledstranger fruit, which is a great album, is yeah, it was looked forwardto and, you know, highly anticipated by critics and it really didn'tdisappoint. I feel like everything he's he's put out his has been unique.Some of it gets a little repetitive, some of it it's all done bythis one guy man. Well, he plays with a live band, obviously, but all the music he records is just him with recording on to acomputer. It's all done by this dude. And Yeah, yeah, like Isaid, he was guy. Yeah, he was online and was asking forsuggestions, like and, like you said, he he took, hetook the lemons people were throwing at him and made fucking black metal lemonade.You Go. And also, speaking as suggestions, if anybody out there everwants to reach out to us, it is easy. You can find uson twitter at selling out show, on facebook at selling out show one.You can give us a call and leave us a voicemail at seven, seven, four, seven hundred one, one thousand nine hundred and ninety three.We love to hear from you, and you know your thoughts to on thiswhole nate's note segment, because I'm really digging this. Setting us up witha song, an episode ahead of time, and man, thing that you doinghere, I like. I think that's cool. So what do youhave planned for us next? Well, to be honest, I was Iwasn't sure. You know, we're down to the wire here recording this andI realize I just I wasn't sure. So I'm gonna I'm going to goold school. Nothing new here. I never claimed to be breaking new artistshere. I just wanted something that will pertain to what I'm going to speakabout next week. So I will throw out the song new dawn fades byjoy division. We will post a link to that on our social media pagesand we will, yeah, talk about it next week right on. Soundsvery, very cool. I look forward to that. And before we letyou all go, I do have a couple of notes about fellow podcasters.I want to bring up some guys that we really care about. First off, it's Chris from the Professor Frenzy Show. I got to say thank you Chrisso much because he keeps getting me out of some comic book buyings andit's he's not someone I know like in real life, personally, you knowwhat I mean. Yeah, only on the Internet and everything, but hecouldn't be a nicer dude. The professor frenzy show could not be a betterprogram I mean they shout us out every week, absolutely put they put forwardtop notch content on indie books. If you're into that, check them out. But he's been sending me some swamp thing books that I have not beenable to get a hold of on my...

...own. Wow, is yes,really, really kind. That's gold to you, oh baby, like nobody'sbusiness. And actually I've been reviewing the swamp thing television show over at theGwwcom if you want to, you know, read those, maybe get my opinionson what's on screen. Are we say, from source material to screen, because I'm a I'm a tagline motherfucker. The other thing I want to mentionis our friend Reggie, who actually had a guest appearance on this showand he's from the cosmic treadmill podcast. He fell ill, seriously ill,to the point where he could have lost his life, but luckily, Jesusis right, luckily he bounce back, and I really didn't want to I'veknown about this for a while now. I really didn't want to bring itup until I knew I had good news, and thanks to his partner on hisshow, Chris, we've been informed that Reggie is doing well. He'sdoing great, excellents talking again, he's moving again, and I couldn't behappier. He's a real nice guy and an asset to the podcasting and comicscommunity. So good for you, Reggie, and I hope the best for youand your family. Absolutely. Now. As for us, it's time tohit the bricks. The parties over. You don't have to go home,but you can't stay here, and if you want to, thank eachand every one of you for tuning in. We appreciate it. Virtual hugs forall of you. I am Dave. That is nate, and this hasbeen selling out piece. Why? Infirmary media? This podcast is sponsoredby oasis, a PAYCHECKX company. Oasis provide small and medium sized businesses withan all in one solution to simplify back office complexities like payroll, benefits,HR and compliance. Let oases take care of the HR administration so you canfocus on growth, your customers and continue to run your business fearlessly. Learnmore at Oasis Advantagecom. PODCAST. Hey, I'm Maurice. As a barber,you might think my scissors are my main tool, but really it's metro. That's where I got my iphone seven. It's camera makes sharing my cuts assimple as snip, snap, share. Right now, get an iphone sevenwith a camera that shoots K for just for thousand nine hundred and ninetynine. When you switch to the number one brandson prepaid metro by tmobile ruleyour day requires port, inevidual number not going to be acted on, tmobilethat were port active on metro past ninety days, and verification of piding andindependent Datas than it for percounts householdirty too, GID by iphone seven model on you. No tever and C STORE FOR DETAILS IN TERMS OF CONDISSIONS.

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