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Episode 28 · 3 years ago

Ep.#28 One Hit Blunder


This episode starts with a question for Nate about immediate gratification vs integrity and work. Is being a super one-hit wonder preferable to being in a respectable, steadily working band?
Then we look at the current business model of triggering our nostalgia. Have we seen too many King Kong, Godzilla and Star Wars films yet?
Dave tells us about a recent panic attack that struck in the middle of the night. But there was a ray of hope in the darkness...
Also, Have you noticed the way names come in and out of fashion? Nowadays a lot of names are just invented out of whole cloth. Pretty strange concept.
Finally Nate looks at theatrical Swedish rock band Ghost, in this week’s slightly newfangled Nate’s Notes segment.

2:22- Dave’s question for Nate
10:15- The Nostalgia Industry
17:38- Dave’s Case of Nocturnal Anxiety
24:33- What’s Up With Names?
32:00- Nate’s Notes (or Ghost: A Retrospective)
41:00- Clip: “From the Pinnacle to the Pit”
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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the selling out show. We have a great one planned for you. Today. I am one of your host David Scholton. By My side is my good pal make Orsinski. Nate, how the heck are you tired? I'm good, man, I'm I'm just beat of them, doing a ton of yard work and we got a new fucking bunny. So, yeah, you mentioned the bunny last time out. Is it giving you a problem? He's just he's fun, but he's a handful with the with the cats, trying to play a little aggressively with them. I want to, but no, he's cool, man. I'm just it's just a lot going on. I'm just tired and it's nice. I've got the night off. I'm here to talk and have a good night and got the house of myself. The old ladies at work and I'm just tellingous. So you get a box of tissues there. Whatever happens stays between well, not you and me, because I don't want to see him, man, but it's your private business rather, so enjoy yourself and thoroughly. I like you, Dave. I just don't think you that way, man. You know, hey, yeah, I don't think of myself that way either, so even when I tried to. So there you go. But yeah, we're here to talk and we get some topics, if you guys today, that I think are fairly interesting, or at least I hope they are. And first on the docket, nates. Yes, I've got a question for you, and I think I know what your answer would have been twenty years ago. Yeah, but I'm curious as to what your response will be now. Okay, musical career, let's say you had one. I know you jam out with you band, you doing good stuff, having fun. But let's say you hit the big time, or at least you know, a medium level, a big time, you know, you make an albums, you going on tour, whatever. Yeah, anyway, I'm going on and on here. My question is this. Would you have rather been a one hit wonder or a band that staley obscure but can sustain its success over a long period of time? So, when I say this, I mean the one hit wonder. You got girls, you got millions of dollars pouring in. The other option, you got respect, but you're not raking in the cash. Let's say if you were Hanson or something like that. For anybody out there who might remember the band Hanson, probably nobody, but anyway, that's... question. What do you say right? Well, all right, the x fact is in this equation. Now my question is you said a one hit one to now, but you're talking am I making enough money to sustain myself for the rest of did I earn enough where I if I invested correctly, I could live? Because my thing is I would choose the long term one if I was making enough to just do that for a living. You know what I mean, which, okay, everyone, I'm old enough now where, I think, could I set myself up where I'm just good? I'd be happy playing for the rest of my life in small clubs and or for a loyal following and making enough to survive. But if the one hit wonder thing was enough, where it was like back in the day, and because nowadays I don't think the one hit wonder thing is really enough. You know what I mean? Even the bands with the one hits that are huge, it's not like record sales anymore. You know, they're still making their money from touring and whatnot. Well, I guess endorsements. I'm rambling. I I'd go with you're looking for some gray area here. That's what your I go with it. Whatever. One is going to keep me set up where I don't have to do anything else for the rest of my life, I'll put it that way. And if that makes working for the rest of my life playing for smaller audiences, I'm happy to do that. Well, okay, let me put a wrinkle in that. Okay, M Mr looking for the alley out here. Yeah, you could be the one hit wonder, but you most likely going to be a punch line. Yeah, for the rest of your life. Like on who wants to be a millionaire? They'll say, you know who, release this song? I'm vanilla ice. You're your well, Vanilla ice actually did pretty good for himself. Yeah, but I was going to say maybe even like a Milli Vanilli ov, you had more than one hit. Yeah, now I'm all FI. Yeah, but then they got fucked up in one of them, like killed themselves. So, yeah, that's way to Dak way too dark. But but you know what I mean. Like she wrote a song, people kind of make fun of it. Now they're like, Oh, you remember, that's out from ninety nine. My titties, a Bouncy pinakors in skin. Yeah, so fucking stupid, you know. Yeah, we're sir, mix a lot. He did, baby got back with it. Put them on the glass, right, and the weird one knows what the fuck. No one knows what'll put him on the glass. Wasn't wasn't anything, and now people laugh about it and joke about it. That's where you could be, and this is my point of reference. A band like clutch, right, I love, one of my favorite bands, where they had level of success, right, but then they kind of get out of the light. That my light, and they've been around, dude, but they still they tour, but they tour really small venue right now. Right, but I have a lot of information on them. They're there. They because I've been rekindled. My interest in them has been rekindled and I believe you were you're going to say they are still a touring band. That does do? Did they do that for a living? They have their own label, they manage all their own shit. They're completely self sufficient now and they said that they're happier than they've ever been, even when they were on them major label. You know they they're happy now. So it's that freedom and you know, it's just being able to do what you love and and I feel like if you're a real musician. You really love it. That's you'd be happy just doing that. Because think about it, dude, your work day is an hour in the evening and the rest of the day is your time off. Like your work day is like an hour, you know, and it's a so, but you still got to negotiate stuff with partner. Yeah, handmaids, you know I mean, right, a lot of stuff you get to deal with. You driving all over the place, you're touring. Sure, it's not the easy and listen to me, that sounds like a great lifestyle. Yeah, but the reason why I brought that up even to begin with because you said, oh, manage money. Yeah, most one hit wonders don't write. Of course, they blew in a Maserati's and cocaine. Yeah, and they're not penniless, and now they're painting houses and pack keepsion. Right, right, right, you know what I mean. And again the punchline aspect. So I know if you wanted like a lifetime of respect and maintaining a career or like, oh, just show me the fucking money now. Show me all the fame and fortune right this second, and be damned whatever happens to me, because I know, yeah, from knowing you. Had I asked... this again twenty years ago, you would have said longevity. Yeah, you're right, you would not have. You would not have said, oh, I want to be fun with famous for six months and then disappear. Right. You'd rather have the respect of your audience and be able to do that for the rest of your life. Yeah, and I think I'm still there, man, to be honest, I see the appeal of it, and fast money is always it sounds great, you know, but I think nowadays, the way the industry is anyway, you're you're not seeing a lot of those giants stories like that. I don't know, maybe, maybe I'm wrong. Now you're right. I mean it's a different time. I'm still stuck in the so I still assume people like relate CDs and are making money off of, you know, all these other aspects, but it is just tore hmm, merch merchanturing us the only way people make money nowadays. Right, that's right. But I'm going to say for myself, though, fucking one hit wonder all the way. Yeah, yeah, you fuck it. You fucking make fun of me. I'll wear zoobaz on stage. I don't give a fuck. Give me those millions and I'll fucking ride off into the sunset. But yet again, if we go to the past, Young Day would be fuck that man. Yeah, my music is my art. I've got integrity, exactly like I don't care about my face being out there. I want my annimity, sure, I just want my music out there to the masses. And now at forty, don't fuck you, show me the money. I see that appeal. I do. We had a we had our shit backwards from the beginning, though. I remember your uncle telling us you guys are doing it wrong, you're getting all fucked up and trying to live this rock star life before you make it anywhere. We because we were. We were reckless and doing stupid things and, yeah, destroying our homes, you know, partying and whatnot, and just all the drugs in and misadventures were well, there's a reason for that. Is that you're influenced by what you see, whether it be in magazines, movies television, so you assume that's how rock star should live. It's almost like watching a porno and assuming that's how people really have sex, right, right, which is completely undry. It's such a you know, our terrible affair with a lot of blunders and blooper's. Absolutely well, at least for me, sex is a blooper real I don't know about you, but you know what I mean. Like you, you see that image and you're like, Oh yeah, man, I got to throw a fucking TV out of a hotel window. Exactly that's was expected to me. So we were doing that, even though we weren't famous, because we thought, hey, this is the behavior, that's you know, to make it right, I'm gonna Act that way. Fake it till you make it, baby. That's us, man. Everything nowadays is rehashed. There's the new God zilla movie. I'm seeing commercials for the new Guy Zilla movie. Yes, it looks really, really fucking good. I want to see that, I agree. But it got me thinking, like we've had a few King Kong movies in the past decade or so, and you know, even the new star wars movies are just they're they're all just playing on our nostalgia. It's like, Yep, dude, like come up with something new, man. It can't be that all the lasting good ideas have already been done. Like in in the public will only respond to familiar shit. I mean yeah, there have been multiple King Kong's from back like black and white days to the s Jeff Bridges and Jessica Lang version all. Yeah, yeah, all the way to the Peter X in fucking Jack Black ones. And I just watched that Kong skull. I was that. I haven't seen that. It's not very good. Yeah, well, listen, it's very action pack yeah, and it's one of those, like I described it to my wife, it's like the perfect you have nothing to do...

...on a Sunday afternoon and can't reach the remote because you're on the couch. It is on, so you watch it kind of movie. Yeah, man, sometimes those are the best. The plot stupid shit like that. But there's some great action and great monster fights and stuff like that. But it's really definitely not one for those who love good scripting. Yeah, Dude. Well, Hey, man, I I'm a sucker for those big monsters, like do you remember, dude? I remember when Godzilla one thousand nine hundred and eighty five came out. I don't know if you remember that, but yeah, of course I do, Dude. That was like a big thing. That was nostalgia back then. Back then it was like, oh, they're bring it back Lla. So yeah, man, and now here we are. And there was the fucking Matthew Broderick one in the s. That was horrible. And Yeah, but that ad campaign was fierce. It was guy's Zilla. Every time Taco Bell, you remember, it was like the law. Yea, that that was the most famous thing. Yeah, the Little Dog, you know. Oh yeah, he's trying to capture Gods Zilla. I think we need a bigger bucks and all that. But yeah, like, the thing that I'm noticing now, the one that's got my attention, is that on Netflix they're rehashing like one of my favorite sets of characters and settings, like do you remember the dark crystal? Yes, of course, Jim Hanson, dude, that's like that was my shit as when I was a kid, and your jam, dude, I loved it. When, like there's a part of me, a big part, that is looking forward to that, like I know that it's just basically playing on the nostalgia. It's technically the Shit I'm bitching about, like it's not an original thing, but like I'm definite wait for it. You just trying to see your love that Shit. Man, like guy, have a cat named fizz because we named a Fizz Gig, after the fuzzy creature in the dark crystal there was this like little fuzzy, I guess, comic relief pet thing, but it was called Fizz Gig, and so that's what I named my cat after. Now, all these years later and here we are and we got the fucking the it's interesting, though, that you bring up Netflix, because their most successful show, yeah, stranger things. Yeah, Oh, it is really it is like a nostalgialite. Yes, like it gets on your brain. It just sucks, sucks, you drive. But I like stranger things a lot. That's good. But I think the success there is a kind of steals from a lot of different elements. Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean even to the year that it's set in and the early s, to a lot of the the nods to horror movies at that time and family values and on and on. I mean is a laundry us. They're definitely. But, and I bring this up specifically because you're like all fucking King Kong. How many times can you fucking make King Kong? And you're right. So, if you really want to appeal to that that Nostalgia Nugget, yes, side to everybody you know, make it an amalgam round different thing. It's still a new ideal to you. Yeah, but that's that's interesting. That's a good point, because that one, I mean to a lesser extent. There was, I don't know if you remember, Jj Abrams did that movie super eight a few years back. Sure, and that was I remember. The big thing was it's got elements of all those s big blockbuster, family friendly but still like close encounters or et. It's eat. But yeah, but it was its own thing. I thought it kind of came out should he was disappointing in the end, but as I don't know, you're right, it's an interesting way, just like stranger things, to pick that that nostalgia scab and still be killed a nugget. You called it a scam, because I don't have a completely positive view of it. To me it is like, I don't know, it's it's it's not entirely it's. I guess it's all right. I guess it's nothing wrong with it if it's if it's done original like we're talking about. It's when you just keep,...

...yeah, playing on that the Oh, this is a familiar character, so we're going to bring them back like there was a bit that you used to do when we were young men that was so funny to me at the time, and it was you were talking about like the homophobe who hates gaze. I don't know, hey, listen, I don't know if you want to do that right now, but anyway, when you know, you know why it came to my mind was because you're like, oh, the dark crystal. Yeah, I can't fucking wait. Yeah, back in the same time you like fuck that. Yeah, ruined my childhood. Yes, it was. It was the the impression of a homophobe sucking a Dick. So it's like confect and quizer, hate and queers. Right, but he's leads, he's still eating the bone exactly. Maybe he's right instand. That's me. That's me, that's you. With a dark crystal, you're still probably probably just pissed off a ton of people, but you know that the spirit is there. I'm saying it's a self hating homophobe. So my intentions are good. So, yeah, yes, but but that. But you see how I can relate that to what you're saying about the dark crystal, because you know you want it, but you don't want it I don't know what the fuck you want. Yeah, exactly. I'm confused. I feel yeah, I I can't help myself, but I'm pissed off by the by the condition, the situation. So, yeah, but whatever, I'm watching the fucking dark crystal me and physic going to chill and kick back and watch some fucking puppets. Sure, we all know vaping saves lives, but now I want to save you some money. Visit Northland Vaporscom, probably made in North Dakota. Northland Papers Line of Elich we is contain no artificial sweeteners, are dike tone free and won't gunk up your coils. Whether you're quitting smoking or an experienced vapor northland carries a variety of flavors and hardware, making it a onestop shop for all your vaping needs. Northland believes quality doesn't need to be costly, and right now you can use coach, selling out nineteen and save nineteen percent off. They're already amazing prices. So what are you waiting for? Getting your head into the clouds and shop online at Northland vaporcom or visit their locations in more head and but Midge, Minnesota. Some products contain nicotine adults. Only the other night something happened to me that rarely ever occurs anymore, mate, because I've had this lifetime, as far as our as far back, because I can remember being a kid, a series of panic attacks focusing on one thing in particular, my own mortality, my place in the universe, life after death. All they how all I mean all that Krid stuff. I believe I've talked about it in the past on the show, but it hit me again. It was two am, sound asleep, woke up, can't breathe. These these thoughts are attacking my brain from every angle, stabbing me with their little fucking knives. And I don't take medication. Yeah, I don't. I'm not prescribed anything. So I need to calm myself down. I need to find a way to say day fucking breathe right, take a second, stop and in, calm the fuck down. And my I'm just aimlessly searching my mind, trying to escape these evil thoughts. To do so, and that one ray of light broke through. MMM, and that was fatherhood. HMM. I thought of my son. I thought of him as a baby, him growing up and the potential of what he could be mm. And so, no matter how many of these voices that I just described as knives were nipping at me, saying your failure, you know you're going to rot, you know it, or you're going to disappear entirely and you never done anything in your life, I thought, well, I brought him in to the world right, I've done something good, and now he has again the potential to be anybody or anything he wants, provided I raise him properly right and show him the way. And it gave me a...

...goal, it gave me a purpose, it gave me a feeling like I belong here right now, I'm here for a reason and sure as shit, I fucking calm down. That was the ticket. Wow, you know what I mean, and I mean good God knows, in the past I've had to search for any kind of weird thought to try to get me out of my punk right. I mean, you know, you name it, but this one really was the hand that reached out and pulled me back to normalcy. And at the same time I almost felt like it was a selfish thing to think or to use to make me sit them or down, because I'm like, my life isn't over right I still have a lot of hopefully, you know, I still have a lot of time. There's many things I can do to give back to the world or be creative or achieve some of my own dreams rather than just put all that pressure on my own kid, you know, by being like I hope he becomes somebody of significance. You know what I'm trying to say. I know, I know my words aren't properly nailing down when I'm trying to execute here. I think you, I think you're you're making you understand where I'm coming okay, good. I bet you all the listeners are like, Dave, what the fuck are you talking about? You having a panic attack right now? No, man, I mean the things don't do, the things you're talking about, that are that are worrying you in the first place. It's are big issues. That's Shit I feel like everyone grapples with at some point or another, just like mortalities. Heavy Shit, man. The the fact that we are flying on this ball that's like technically a speck of dust and the middle of an endless beach. You know it's not. It's we're tiny, we're insignificant, we're not even on the we're not even the rock. where the we're dust on the rock. The Rock is flying around in you know, we're we're beyond insignificant, out of Control. Yeah, it's out of our can. Shit, I'm depressing myself right now. No, no, what am I done? I'm in trouble breathing, dude, and but that's because you just fucking slept coffee down. You're not rob me. Yeah, man, and I know. But my point is I remember you struggling with that a lot when we were younger, and as a kid I always had that that kind of youthful in invulnerability thing where I wasn't even worried about death. I never really the concept, never really bothered me of impermanence like that, I'm going to be gone forever after this is over, like I never thought of it. I mean now I do a bit because I'm getting older. I guess it is kind of heavy, but my point is I know that back then you struggled with it and it would drive you nuts, and it's good to hear that with the changes you've made in your life and making a family and having a son has like become a cure to an extent for some of your troubles man and that's not selfish. That's that's the purest fucking good, you know, positive, altruistic thing you're you're showing someone else the way and preparing someone for life and hopefully making the world better by introducing a positive person into the world. I don't think anything about that is selfish. If you feel better about it, if it helps you out, all the better. You earned it, I feel like. I mean, I don't know, that's just how I feel. You know, it does make me feel better. And I had a good friend and you know him to his name is floyd. Yeah, it was. Nickname is floyd, but because who the fuck names are kid floyd anyway? But the thing is is, just like he told me, don't worry about Shit you can't control. He's like Dave, you can have you driving yourself insane over something you have no power or over. Just enjoy what you have while you have it. And it really set me straight because I was always afraid telling people my fears was to infect them with those fears, to like transfer them on to somebody else and give them the same emotions or problems or even panic attacks that I had. Yeah, he's like Nope, not, no big deal, just fucking relaxed, Dude. Just,... know, go with the flow, and I'm like, Whoa, this is great, free and clear. He's not fucked up. I didn't fuck them up. No, the unbreakable fluid man. Yeah, and in turn it really made me feel better and S Y. These attacks or such a rare occurrence. I can't recall the last time I had had one. So it was just I didn't sleep for the rest of the night. are just kind of like thinking about life and everything. But I was cool with it. MMM, it wasn't like I was up, you know, fucking losing my shit. I was like, okay, I'm finally good, I'm finally at peace right now. And then, you know, rock and roll. But I just mean it as far as I don't want to. I'm not the kind of forceful father anyway. It's like you gotta be great, run that, I love you no matter what. You know. Yeah, but but still, that is my role in life. I may never earn a million dollars, they may never be like again some of the dreams that I've had in my life, they may never be fulfilled, but as long as I'm a good human being and teach my kid to be a good person. I've done something and I'm happy with that. You ever think about names? Do? I yeah, like, do you ever think about the what names? How names come in kind of waves of popularity, like, you know, there's certain names you just don't hear anymore. You don't know a lot of young girls, or even people our age, that girls named Mabel or, you know, NDA, myrtle. You know. We yeah, right, we had a wave of names that, according to my parents, became popular with our generation. It's usually, it seems to be usually female names, girl names, but heather and an amber, names like that, didn't really you didn't hear him as often before our generation, and our generation we had a we had a bunch of ambers and heathers. Well, God, yeah, those would, yeah, popular nations. But I was thinking, I wonder if in the future it'll come full circle in all the little girls will be named Myrtle and Mabel and and they will be saying to each other what, what kind of person would name their Kid Jennifer or Jessica? Yeah, the AMETHYST. Yeah, that that's another thing. The people name their kids whatever now. They don't even have to be existing name. Sometimes they're not even words their collections of syllables. But but a lot of those celebrities do that Shit right, like right, yeah, the there's a apple, apple, which is Chris Martin and Gwynth Paltrow's kid. I forget if it's even a boy or girl. You know, you can't tell this. Name it after a fruit. Yeah, it's a it was on the kitchen table. What the fuck, why not? Let's go for it. I wonder. You know, you know, nothing drunk here, but the legality of everything. Yeah, because let's say I had a kid tomorrow and I just want to say, Oh, yeah, you named Dr Pepper. Yeah, you know, can I'm drinking a Dr Pepper. I'm like yeah, you know what I mean, because it's like how much thought really goes into that? I mean, if you talk to Chris Martin, he's probably like, the apple started with the Batels, but then also symbolizes Adam and Eve, right, and this and that, and they had to share they fucking fruit pan and then whatever. I don't even know, but I'm saying they'll fucking Mumbo jumbo you to fucking death. Yeah, yeah, they put some some depth into it. They symbolism. Then there's what was the other name? Oh West, Kanye West, and Kim Kardashian's kid northwest. They can northwest. Now that name is like a joke. I remember when when frank is APPA had his kids, it was all weird because his daughter was moon...

...unit, but she would go by moon, so it was a little more tasteful, I guess, or feminine. But then his son's name was Dweezel, and even David Bowie named his Kids Zoe. Zoe bowie his son who changed his name to Duncan Jones, who's now a director, but that his yes, his name was originally Zoe Bowie. So I think another problem is rich people don't have to worry about their kids getting bullied here. I guess that just got so much they can do whatever the fuck. Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, northwest, Hey, you get the directions. You know where's this little north Wales home? I no one's gonna fuck with her or him. I don't know if you know if it's the right girl either. They'll just slap a kid with a stack a cash in the face like fuck you, smack you know. Call me. Yeah, ask me for directions. Again, motherfucker. Slap. Yeah, here's some money and Sinus. NDA. Yeah, man, I don't know. It's strange, I think. I think it's it's dangerous. You know, kids can be cruel. We all know that. Kids are awful and find ways to rhyme names with whatever and and just do cruel things with names. and Oh yeah, do it, do it to me right now. Dave, your the cock slave. Dave that. Oh, yeah, I'm still young. A has a going. Yeah, nate, do you like the master? Exactly? Yeah, here we go. Yeah, West, west, your parents of fucking cuts. That could yeah, yeah, no, no, that didn't work. They are fucking pieces of ship, by the way. I'll go on the record by saying that. But absolutely, you know. But yeah, I don't know, man. I where do you draw the line? What's allowed with us? I didn't like I said, I don't even know if you can just do whatever the fuck you want. Right, right. I really, I really don't know. I remember our friend Bob speaking of kids named after fruit. Our friend Bob, when we were teenagers, used to say when I have a kid, I'm going to name him the grape and just call him the grape, and so that was me. Oh, that was you. I thought that was Mo. I said if I ever had a kid, I was gonna name him grape. Bob Said Egg. That's right. So y'all, both fruit people. Your both, I mean food people. Sorry for the record, I didn't do that. Yeah, well, either did, but not well, bow he didn't either. Yeah, I guess he would call his son the egg once in a while be like I got to go watch the egg. I've heard of I had heard him say that, but yeah, sure, it's more of a term of endearment by that point. Yeah, I mean some are creative, some are not. Like my name, Dave. I know it's from the Bible. Yeah, we both have biblical name. Lookal yeah, but where in the Bible? I don't know. So it's like, you know, thanks for naming me something that's reference to something I'll have I have no concept or clue about. So I think you're whatever. King David, Dude, I think that was, listen, one of the names in the Bible. I think the most significant thing about my name that I can recall was one time in a Hustler magazine, I believe it was, they did a study on women. If they didn't know the name of their lover and in the in the throws a passion. Yeah, what name would they just yell out to yell out of? Name Number One was bill. Number two was Dave. So that I've got that going for me. Bill and Dave. But I've yeah, but I bet if you ask that same question in the future it'll be like Sigmund. There are some weird shit that we you know how people haven't been naming it. Well, I guess Sigmund maybe a foreign name. I don't know. Don't listen to me. You named your cat, but fucking fish JI, FIZ gig man, I know, I thought it was fish Ji. Yeah, you're not an expert on names whatsoever. Day from the selling out show, here to tell you about spunk loube. Spunk loube is a multi award winning Luber can't use by professionals in the adult film industry. Spunk is available in hybrid pure silicone, natural and pick spunk is...

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Even the face of the pope singer was concealed, but where the other members were disguised by black cloth over their faces, the singer wore this weird, somewhat realistic old man mask which was then painted like a skull. He went by the name Papa Emeritus and he introduced the other members simply as nameless ghouls. It was all very mysterious in really theatrical. It was like watching a mix between a rock concert in some bizarre black mass on stage. The music was somewhat dark and creepy, but not nearly as heavy or sinister as you might expect from their tongue in cheek satanic cult image. I wouldn't exactly call them a metal band, at least not compared to a lot of what I listened to like. Maybe they were metal in the way that black sabbath or Pentagram were metal in the s. There was a sort of retro feel to them. They had a definite sense of melody, like if you mixed the distorted crunch of Sabbath with the sweet vocal melodies of the Blue Oyster cult or even the Beatles. There was something classic about their sound, their way of crafting a catchy song, and the retro feel extended to their bizarre image. They had that dark cult Motif, but it was like something out of a late s movie or something out of the Satanic Panic era of my childhood. Like I said, all very tongue in cheek. They were like some relic from the past, but they had never actually existed before. I mean they were a new band. They only started putting out music in two thousand and ten. Their first album, opus eponymous, was solid. The strength of their songwriting was present and it's set the pace for what ghost was all about. The production was a little week but that kind of added to their sense of seeming older than they were. Like. Their production almost felt a little dated compared to other new bands. I remember digging what I heard, but I wasn't yet a huge fan. When the second album came out, like a year or so later, it mostly flew under my radar. I remember some articles in promotional videos that were claiming that they had a new singer, but the voice was basically identical. This new singer, called Papa Emeritus, too, was also concealed by a realistic mask of a human face painted to look like a skull, but the mask was of better quality. In fact, all the band's costumes seem to have gotten... upgrade. The nameless Ghoul's all heads strange new masks under their cowls, looking something like the masquerade seen in labyrinth or something from Kubrick. Size wide shut. I didn't really get into that second album, but I continued to appreciate the band's esthetic from afar. My interest was rekindled in two thousand and fifteen when they released their third and best album, at least in my humble opinion, called Meliora. The album kept up there neo retro feel, fusing S S pop sensibilities with heavy rock distortion, all wrapped up in that shadowy anonymous cult concept. The singer on this album was listed as Papa emeritis three, but by now I had come to realize that it's been the same dude the whole time, just with costume and mask upgrades each time out. By the meliora album, both the music and the outfits were at their peak. Papa three was dressed more like a priest in a fancy tailored suit rather than flowey robes, and the nameless guls had these awesome silvery masks that looked like mouthless metallic demons. Anyway, by now ghost had gotten quite a bit of press. They were catchy enough to pull in a lot of new listeners, and Meliora actually got them a grammy. There was a lot of buzz about this weird Swedish band and inevitably a few online sleuths were able to figure out the band members true identities. Apparently they were a group of guys who had been toiling in relative obscurity playing in different indie bands and Sweden until they came up with this sort of concept band and that ended up taking off. Papa emeritis was in fact this skinny little hipster kid named Tobias forge who played in underground bands in his home country, like subvision and repugnant. A few of the nameless guls were in a great melodic indie rock band called the Magna Carda cartel that's well worth checking out. But yeah, the mystery was fading. After a surprisingly long period of mostly protected annonymity, after millior a ghost released an EP of mostly cover songs, from the rhythmics to echo in the bunny men tunes. But by now there was trouble in paradise. Apparently to bias or Papa Emeritus came down with a case of lead singer syndrome. The contracts have been rewritten to where the nameless ghouls were all just being treated as a backing band that just supported to bias is songwriting, and they were making like a fraction of his pay. It all ended up in a nasty lawsuit and ultimately to bias said the rest of the guys could leave if they didn't like it. So that's ultimately what happened. Tobias claims he did the majority of the songwriting, but the next album to come out, two thousand and eighteens Prequel, was a huge departure, at least from my point of view. It was the first chance for Tobias to prove his claims that he didn't need the other members, and he hired a whole new backing band, claiming that ghost had always, in truth, just been a solo project. But when the first single was released, it had a much cheesier sound, more like some s hair metal band. The darkness had turned completely tongue in cheek and there were even hints of Musical Theater bombast. That just didn't work for me as a listener. When the rest of the album came out, I couldn't really find a single song on it that gave me the feeling that ghost had always given me. It seems pretty apparent that they relied more on the chemistry of all the members than Tobias wanted to admit, and the results s speak for themselves. The buzz had mostly worn off. The reviews were more lukewarm.

Even the costume on the new album was a letdown, opting away from the papa emeritus character completely in favor of a much less impressive cardinal copia character who honestly just looks a lot less cool. The whole thing was just a huge disappointment for a lot of US fans. But fortunately, in the wake of the breakup the pre ghost project, the MAGNA Carta cartel was reformed by the spurned other members and has since put out some great new material. A lot of the aspects of ghosts music that I liked best are present in the MAGNA Carta Cartels, so it seems pretty clear where a lot of the talent was coming from. So insimation, the story of Ghost is, I guess, a tragic one. They were an exciting band that put out a few really solid records, but ultimately fell prey to greed and ego. It's a shame really, because as much as I do enjoy the new magna Carta cartel record, there was something special that happened when all those dudes work together. It's a story that's all too familiar, although not always with such fancy outfits and personality. I don't really dude. I I pick this song because I like the song. Obviously I've interest in the band and I figured it was a catchy enough song and like accessible enough song to kind of start this new nets notes thing. I mean I hope to do more with it and not just do showcases on a band like that, but hopefully tie it into some greater subject matter in the future. But but anyway, did you have a chance to listen to the song? I don't know if you I did and for those who may be tuning in for the first time, we started a little bit of a listeners club because nate talks about music every episode, so we're trying to tie in a suggested song right by our good friend maid here, and then the following episode he will discuss the song and in this case the song you suggested was from the band ghost and the name of the Song was again from the pinnacle to the pit. There you go. Personally, it wasn't my cup of tea. I thought it was okay. There's nothing particular really wrong with the song, but it wasn't the type of tune that would make me come back looking for more right. I did notice immediately, because I saw the youtube video, what you said about the costumes and everything, and I find it very interesting that it's almost like, thank you, Ziggy Stardust, yes, for showing bands the way it's like. You toil away doing your tunes. You're not getting any recognition, so change your image, change your style a little bit, try something new, and it's going to garner people's attention. We seeing that throughout musical history, of course. Most notably, I believe, would be like a Marilyn Manson or a Madonna along those lines. But here we are with ghosts. They did the same thing. No one's listen to us. Put some fucking makeup on, man, you know. Next thing you know, they're winning a fucking grammy. Go figure, gammy. There you go. And inevitably, like any band, there hubris is or at least a lead singer. Right, guess, far too big in the band falls apart, and that's what we need to do with this show. Yeah, right here we need to change our image. I think we should just go straight onto youtube, make ourselves look like space aliens or something and produce the show that way. And I just want to let people out there know if you are interested in seeing that or just telling us off or saying anything to us that you feel like telling us.

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