Selling Out Show
Selling Out Show

Episode 22 · 3 years ago

Ep.#22 Dirty Taco


This week we find our esteemed hosts on the mend, Nate with the remnants of a sore throat and Dave with some pretty serious issues resulting from his recent surgery. They take a look at the current anti-science trend, specifically the rash of Flat-Earth conspiracy theorists that seem to be spreading at an alarming pace.
After that, we learn about Nate's new guilty pleasure. '60 Days In' is a reality show based in jail, which seems like the last thing an ex-con would want to watch, but for some reason he can't get enough.
And finally, Nate's Notes is all about the many faces of punk. From its roots in the 70's to the way it has inspired other musical genres, from grunge to black metal. What better way to wrap things up than with a toast to that punk rock spirit of rebellion and bare-bones musicianship...

2:57- Post-surgery woes
6:45- A not-so well-rounded conspiracy theory
25:00- A look at "60 Days In"
38:00- Nate's Notes (the many faces of punk)

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Give your mornings a remix with the delicious new beyond Sausage Sandwich from Duncan say, but it's a tasty beyond meat sausage patty with egg and cheese, all on an English muffin. Oh Yeah, that's ten grams of great tasting plant based protein, great taste. Play break. Wait, it's plant based. Yeah, it's flat based and it tastes great. Yea Dry duncans beyond sausage sandwich. It's a whole new way to start the day America runs. I'm Duncan Infirmary media. You were now to Dick to the selling out podcast. What it does is beaches at your brain chemically and now cat your happiest memory chemically and then blocks on that emotion and reases it chemically, and then it keeps your happy, happy. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the selling out show. I am one of your host David shows, and by my side is my good pal and partnering crime, Nate Gore Zinski. Nate, how the heck are you, good man? And we're coming towards the end of winter. We had a nasty storm where I'm at, but hopefully it's the days are getting longer the season is almost over, so I'm happy. How about yourself, man? I'm actually very happy because you're saying winter is coming to a close and for me it's cadbury cream egg season. WHO. Yeah, man, I love my Easter candies, man. I can't get enough of them. They're perfectly constructed cells of sugar confection absolutely man, and they only come around that one time a year. You got to stock up. Yeah, you like him too? I do, man. I like those. I like the mini eggs to you know, even they're just chocolate, but they're you know something about that candy. She'll definitely makes a difference and you can't get them all year. They're not like yeah, EMINEM's, you know so right. And that's the thing that drives me mad, is because there's peat people and Cadbury Cream Egg people, and that the people. I say, it's just marshmallow coated and sugar, right, I could just make that at home. Yeah, man, and then they'll say to me, hey, man, it's just like running snot inside the egg, and I say you call it it's not. Well, I hope you rot. These things are delicious. I'm with you, man, I'm totally with you. I am not a peep guy. I don't understand peep people this, you know, it's this just gross, man. I don't know. I was never a marshmallow kid anyway, you know, growing up. But but I definitely, I definitely enjoy with the the cream eggs and and somehow they've had the same damn commercials for like decades now. I don't know if you guys know the cadbury commercials, but yeah, I'll tell you something right now. This is why we are best friends. Yes, sir, everyone wants to be the cadbury buddy, because only he brings delicious cadbury cream eggs. Others may keep trying. No Bunny knows Easter better than hail. So, nate, I've been sliced, I've been diced and it's not been so nice. My surgery happened and it just wasn't so great. Man. Now I talked about this previously on our last episode before we you know, about me going in and my my worries, my concerns. Well, it didn't. It didn't turn out so hot. It really didn't. Oh No, man, tell us, tell us, tell us about your ills. Man, what's going well? I should have known, like from from the get go because I had an orderly before I get started on this, let me let me say something. I encourage anybody with disabilities to be able to work. Yeah, okay, if you have any kind of problem in your life and you want to work, more power to you. Sure, this guy, his job is to get me around on a Guarnie right. Yeah, problem is he had two lazy eyes, Oh man, and he was like banging me against the wall. He couldn't, he couldn't find a fucking elevator to save his life. So here I am on the fucking bed, you know, just like, Oh God, please, you know, I'm already nervous as is right, and he's taking me, you know, on a tour of the entire wing. And the other thing about him is everything was blessed. Oh No, yeah, oh, yeah, how you doing today, blessed man? I'm blessed. I'm like, Hey, I have a blessed day, and I'm like Yo, Yo, loose lends, lucious buddy, just fucking pray for an elevator. That's what you should be blessed about. Blessed me with a ride up to my freaking O R, will you? And then he got blessed with a couple of Lazy Eyes. Man Boy, son of a bitch, and that's what I mean. I feel...

...bad. I didn't say anything like rude to him at the time, sure, but anyway, the whole thing. And then I get up there and I got like a philebotomist who can't find my veins. So I'm getting jabbed and stuck in. I'm like, this is just fucking this is a bad sign. Okay, but here's the real kicker is, after everything is all said and done, I opened my eyes, I'm like, Oh, baby, I've made it, this is great at you know, because I know it is only a hernia surgery. Only. Oh well, here's the thing. A lot of people will say, dude, it's a day surgery. What are you freaking out about? People have open heart surgeries and, you know, brain surgeries. I understand all that, I get it, but even then I'm at that age where I'm like, I didn't live a wholesome life right, you know, I'm expecting like Karma to catch up with me and be like, you know, this is how you fucking die. I always say it's like the guy who like cut his finger on a carrot peeler. Read about him in the paper. I would be that guy. But Anyway, I wake up and I'm sore. I guess I'm general soreness, but there's something even more unusual. I I have a nut the size of St Louis. Oh my God man. And the reason why I call it a nut, not nuts. It's because my sack is the size of a cantaloupe. Oh No, I don't eat fruit, so I don't really know what a size of a cante little base. I'm just assuming it is big. Yeah, yeah, it is, anyway. That yeah, this thing is hanging between my legs. I'm like Ope, do they do the wrong thing? MMM, what happened? What is going on here? I call over to the nurse. Yeah, and she's like, Oh, nope, they filled you with air the access yes, well, this is what happened. They drilled me and put air into me to make my belly larger because robotic surgery, and they say some are got down there. Oh No, so, yeah, your sack is like a like a fucking party favor. You got to like a balloon sack. Yes, I'm available for parties, Bar Mitzpaz, whatever you need, I am balloon balls and it was like freaking me out. You know, yeah, at least that's not helium and they're not floating away on you. But actually that might have been even cooler. You know, I'm just floating around the hospital. I'll look at loose Lens Lucius. Hey, buddy, I can find the elevator on my own now. So I was a party a couple weeks back and I was around a bunch of friends who I hadn't seen in a long time, which was which was really cool, but one of whom, you know, we had had a few drinks and get to talking and he starts talking about different conspiracy things and he's he's starting, you know, is drinking, so he's but he's getting a little crazy. It's one of these where you like looking at the guy like man, you know, are you? You know he's talking about the Illuminati and all this shit. Oh boy. Yeah, so, I don't know. I made some comment like you know, well, Hey, you just don't tell me you're you're one of these flat earth guys, because that's something I've been hearing about online here and there. Right, dude to WHO? He looks at me and he's like dead serious and he's like well, dude, have you read up on that stuff? And I dude, I opened this can of worms asking him about it, because it turns out this friend of mine who always seemed I mean he was always a strange cat, you know, we all were back in the day, but in the interim since I'd seen him, apparently, yeah, he's one of these guys. I don't know if our listeners are familiar, there's a pretty big, you know, section of the population now who are doubting the globe model of our planet, which, dude, I I figured that was a pretty set in stone, just like, you know, common knowledge that we are as right, right, you know. But but anyway, he's telling me, you know, you got to look up videos by this and that and mentioning different figures in the flat earth, the movement and Dude, I mean I checked up on a few things just out of sheer curiosity, and it's as bad, if not worse, than I thought. Just like with my cursory knowledge and any of our listeners that are curious, there's a great documentary on Netflix that I had, you know, suggested you you watch and and yeah, I was really, really enthralled by it. Was a very interesting look at the flat Earth Movement. But the movie is called behind the curve, which is a pretty awesome title. I mean it's if you look at it's like the curve is obviously a reference to the shape of the earth, but at the same time, when someone's behind the curve, you think they're behind the learning curve. They're there, you know, not up to par education wise, there behind the learning curve. So you know, it was a subtle, little, I don't want to say a jab at the movement, but it was definitely planned out that title. But this documentary was suggested to me by some friends on facebook who they had made it sound like it...

...was like they were like, dude, this flatter thing is out of control. There's even a movie about it on Netflix now, and made me think, yeah, it was promoting the flat earth. You know, point of view. Yeah, but yeah, but you, you watched it. Now, I mean how did how did you like it? You, you, you find it interesting. I actually did and, as the case with most things that you recommend to me, I really do enjoy these things, because it wasn't on my radar at all. HMM. But of course I didn't spend a night drinking with a flat earth or to kind of, you know, right, sperm you on to to investigate right right now. I've heard about celebrities and stuff believing in this, but you kind of just throw it off, you don't really take it too serious. Sure, so it is pretty amazing to see that these guys, over a very short amount of time, we're talking to a couple years, have created this international movement where they're having seminars and meetups and merchandise and books, and I mean you, you name it, everything right, and I'm one of the guys where it's like, you can believe in whatever you want to believe in, as long as you don't hurt other people. Right, I may not agree with you, yeah, that's no big deal. There's a lot of religious beliefs I don't. I don't go along with a lot of political beliefs, but as long, again, as long as you're not hurting anybody, that's fine. I've also found in my life this this one thing I really stand by is that people who feel marginalized flocked together, sure, and folks who want to be famous fabricate facts and then makes a perfect marriage. And I see a lot of that happening here, and that was exposed in this documentary. Yeah, man, it's definitely getting out of control. Like, yeah, you mentioned celebrities that are into it. There's certain hip hop guys, this Guy Bob, there're certain athletes, I guess basketball players, and what hiry irving from Yah and Celtics? Yeah, yeah, even Shaquille O'Neil is supposedly a flat earth or so this flat Earth Movement. I mean these guys. The problem with it there's a there's a how do I put it, like a phenomenon happening in the world nowadays. That's being termed the dunning Krueger effect, and so I'm looking up on Wikipedia, which, as we all know, is a really trustworthy spot. But Anyway, this the first paragraph, and Wikipedia says the in the field of psychology, the dunning Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. So basically it's when people have a certain amount of knowledge, but admittedly not a lot of knowledge, on a certain subject, but they feel like I know all I need to know about a subject and they start basing their whether it's actions, point of view, whatever it is, on the small amount of knowledge they have. Now, the next sentence in this article says the cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low ability people to recognize their lack of ability. And basically it's saying like when you you know, you don't know what you don't know. Basically, and and if you've noticed, I mean this is even apparent in our politics now. You look at our president nowadays and dude, it's like all the statements he makes about I know more about the military than our generals, or I know more about Isis than the general's or I know more about this than they be. Like the thing is, these people that have limited knowledge on a certain subject almost are overconfident. Are they are overconfident? And there's an interesting part of the documentary where this woman is explaining the dunning Kruger effect and she says like when I study something and I start looking up the facts on a certain subject, the thing I notice is the more I learn, the more I realized I don't know, which is the kind of the healthy way to go about absolutely. Yeah, you know, like you you. You have to be. I don't know if it's a humility, whatever it is, it's just look, I don't have all the knowledge. So I want to stand from a place of like look, this is what I know, but I am I admit I may not know it all. And the dunning Kruger effect is like so pervasive in our society now that we have all these people who are, you know, think they're experts on so. So, to bring it around to the flat earth thing, these guys think in common sense terms. They go they hold up, say, a baseball and they say, now, this just doesn't make sense. If you put water on top of this baseball, it's going to roll off. It doesn't stick to the bottom of the ball. And these get this is this is the type of evidence, quote unquote, that they have is that, you...

...know, whenever I've been in a plane and I'm on the supposed other side of the planet, I'm not flying upside down. I would notice so if I were flying upside down. And they they don't understand like how how the atmosphere and how, you know, the the vacuum of space and all these different components can affect you know, what the you know what they say. They're terms of common sense or whatever like they they just look at things in these plane sort of well, it doesn't make sense to me. So this kind of down home common sense. And one thing I noticed, as well as a lot of the guys and Gals in this flat Earth Movement in this movie, it seems to be tied in with their religious beliefs, and so a lot of them will use as evidence. Well, in the Bible it states that the earth is you know, that the angels stand at the four corners of the earth in this particular scripture or whatever, and that could only be possible on something that has four corners. And they talked about how the sky is just the firmament is you're not seeing space. Space doesn't exist anyway. I don't want to get to to into all the minutia of this. Our listeners can can check it out. It's yet they should. Yeah, it's pretty interesting and it's scary and a lot of the followers of this, this movement, like I said, they are religious and very high conspiracy theory type mentality going on here there. They use terms like they want us to believe we're on a ball. They are doing this like there's that pervasive all whatever, that catch all term. They and they think that there's some big group that wants us to think for some reason that we're on a Globe and that somehow that suits some agenda, and it's really it's really frustrating and it's really interesting. But I think it's actually worth noting what you just said. We're in. Okay, it's very closely tied to the political climate right now. Sure, because if you look at that, the movement and and how is grown, it's basically in the whole fake news era, absolutely over the last couple of years. I don't think that's a coincidence. Right. Well, it's all that done in Kruger effect in full force. Like I said, it's, it seems, everywhere nowadays. You know, the other thing the documentary does very well and I appreciated, was it wasn't ready to declare flat earthers is being crazy right now. While you watch it, you know, you may have your own thoughts on it and you're entitled to those, but they almost made them sympathetic characters. Right. They said, listen, something happened along the way. There was even one scientist who said don't call them crazy. They could have been scientists in their own right right, but they weren't taught properly. They weren't educated correctly. That's right. Yeah, there is something happened on there, you know, path to knowledge or whatever. And the thing is, I yeah, I don't want it to come off like this is a hit piece, this movie on the matter. There's it does show them as people and a lot of them cling to this group because a lot of these characters, these figures in the movie, are they seem to be fairly lonely, a little, you know, none of them are particularly attractive or er, you know, exceptional in any way, and this is a way for them all to kind of feel like they're fighting the good fight together and they feel like it's good against evil. A lot of these guys feel like they're fighting for the truth in there. You know, there's a lot of power in that and these people find camaraderie in each other, which is great, but it's just the problem comes when science, as it's been known, and as you know, we trust scientists and they may, you know, when people start getting into power that have these fringe beliefs, whether it's you know, climb, it change, denial, or whatever flat earth. You know, when these people get into power and start legislating with you know, from that point of view, it does get dangerous. I mean, our tax dollars get spent in weird ways and sometimes the environment suffers or whatever it is. There's there's there's a lot of negative effects that could come from this. So it's scary to see that, at this time when we have all these technological advances and things are are at this amazing point, that a lot of people are distrusting science and our bring it's it feels like they're trying to bring kind of bring us back into a I don't want to say the dark ages, but they're definitely, you know, regressive in their thought and it's it's a little scary. Well, you had mentioned that...

...the documentary kind of shows that there's nothing extraordinary about these people. MMM, I kind of disagree, because the people, no, I'm serious, because the people that they focused on, hmm, obviously had money, right, and charisma. Yeah, yeah, okay, they had money to put behind the movement. There's even one point someone invested twenty grand in a device to debunk the whole curved earth thing. Right. You can watch the documentary to see how that turned out. But they're throwing some money around here to drive a nice cars, live in Nice houses, and so if you saw them, you would think they were, you know, wealthy, affluent people. Sure, and again with the carusement. This is how, like colts and stuff gets started. Yeah, man, because people with no education, none start believing these guys, because how are they getting their message out there, like we are? Of course, we're not really promoting a movement or anything per se. We're just talking about our lives. But that, you know, podcast, Youtube, social media, and people want to be entertained. People maybe again feel marginalized or lost in their life and this is something they can jump into, dive into, immerse themselves into, right and that's that's where I find it to be scary. Yeah, absolutely. I mean it's with all this technology, we're at a point where it's that much easier for people to get this message across and for someone who's naive or just not informed, one person talking on a podcast or and a youtube video is just as credible as another. And you know, you have to be discerning in who you listen to and whose facts you take. As you know, as Gospel as it were, you know. So I want to know what's to gain, either flat or around. What is there to be had? Well, that's that's my big question. It's like they talked about it like there's some sinister agenda to keep us all in the dark. And and when you ask, I don't know how much they went into it on the on the movie, but my friend at the at the party that I was talking about, I was asking him, well, what? Because they believe that aunt Arctica is not Antarctica. It's without getting too into it, they think it's kind of like game of thrones, this big ice wall around the whole disc of the earth, that the earth is a disc shape. Blah, Blah Blah. My friends seem to think that there was an endless amount of territory beyond the boundaries of what we know, and that's what's being kept from us. There's resources, fertile regions and all this stuff that they just for some reason don't want us to know about. And they're keeping us in this small, even though the earth isn't small, but they're keeping us in this limited, you know, sphere, so to speak, of of natral territory. And Yeah, they what what's really out there is, you know, so much bigger and so much more lucrative or whatever, and and they want it all to themselves. Whoever this shadow, you know, controlling body is so interesting stuff. It is very interesting. And I'm not like a huge conspiracy theory guy. I just assume everybody's lying to me all the time, right, whether it's politicians to a dude, a valet to park you knows, everybody's always lying to you. That's how I just feel about life in general, you know. So if the earth was proved to be flat tomorrow, I wouldn't be shocked. HMM. That's what the last two years is done to me. You know, I wouldn't be surprised anymore by anything. If anything happens. Yeah, who knows? I but it is a very interesting thing to to watch. I mean I wouldn't. When I say watch, I mean the documentary. I'm not hopping on Youtube to watch these guys videos. Yeah, it's not necessarily my cup of tea. There's many other ways I could entertain myself, right, but it is, I guess, something to keep tabs on. Sure. And and just a quick little addendum. In the movie there are two circumstances. One you briefly touched on. That the flatter there is. Did experiments to disprove the sphere, you know, theory of the Earth, and in both cases they seem to disprove their own, you know, hypothesis, whatever boilers. Yeah, I mean, I just try not to spoil it for him. And here you come along, Dude. I mean, if you couldn't figure that out, I mean, I sure we all know vaping saves lives, but now I want to save you some money. Visit Northland Vaporscom, probably made in North Dakota. Northland Papers Line of e liquids contain no artificial sweeteners, are dike tone free and won't gunk up your coils. Whether you're quitting smoking or an experienced paper northland carries a variety of flavors and hardware, making it a onestop shop for all your vaping needs. Northland believes quality doesn't need to be costly, and right now you can use coach, selling out nineteen and save nineteen percent off. They're...

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I telling on people, these people. It's so funny because they go in and they don't know and a lot of them are like, you know, just going up to the CEO's like hey, so and so took my fucking shampoo and bloom, like in real life. It's like most of these people would you know? You don't you just you don't do that and make can I tell you something real quick? I'm sorry to interrupt you, absolutely just because I don't want to get fresh when you talking about this woman, when I never seen the show either. You recommended it to me. I went on Youtube and one of the first videos I saw was one dude Jack and another motherfucker up over tater tots. Yeah, so when you tell me like, oh, she's still my Shampoo, oh my God, this gonna be a blood bath. Yeah, man, dude, it's it's nuts, like I've always said, like when people are in prison or in jail, they take so much from you that the little things you have you hold on to really tightly and you really you and a lot of people seem petty because you're like, dude, you're ready to fight over some tatertots, but it's like, dude, that's all you're getting to eat, that's you know, that's you don't have much, so that shit means a lot more to you to fight. Had An obvious cause and effect. Ricky was supposed to give his hashmouns to cody. He didn't give his Hashmrouns to cody. He got beat up for it. It's funny to see how people interact in a situation that's like they don't belong there. It's like an interesting social experiment. I mean, I'll Recoggenz, I'll recommend the show to our listeners just because, a you get a sense for not just what it's like behind bars, but what it's like for a person who's never been there. You know, because some of these shows you see, you get a sense of what it's like for people that are hardened criminals or for the guards, but to really see some of these people who just are going from the street. They don't know what the Hell is going on they and they're usually blown away by like you see. I'll be honest, you see a lot of good fights on the show. If you're just there for sick amusement, it's an entertaining show because, yeah, you see a good amount of fights. You see petty drama. I saw an episode where a guy, he was a store manager right anyway, in there and one of the other inmates didn't take his meds and I started punching them on his bunk, right, but for whatever reason, just because the guy was, you know, off his rocker, right, like, why is he even subjecting himself to this? Is He win any money? Right? When did you get like a year supply of dishwashing soap? Why would you do that? The Kid who's getting beat up, the contestant, so to speak, is just dumb. I founded he he gets off his bunk and starts yelling like hey, hey, he's hitting me. Or what are you doing in Blah, blah, blah. What did you do? Hey, if you're really in jail, you don't do that. If someone picks a fight with you, the last thing you do is make a big scene about it, because that's basically snitching. And Anyway, it's it's a really entertaining watch for people who are interested in what it's like in there, because to an extent, it is pretty realistic. And and yeah, these they've actually had to pull people out for their own safety. And and yeah, it's it's an entertaining show and it's a guilty pleasure. Mind it looks real. I mean I always question reality shows because most of them are scripted reality. Right. The thing that made me a little suspicious about this one was how all the cameras were like perfect. So I'm like, do they use jailhouse cameras like the security cams? Did they install them ahead of time? Right? And plus different prisoners would give like their testimonials? Yeah, like you see on like big brother or whatever. So well, do they think there was just a documentary being made and they weren't told that there was? I think what you just mentioned that they don't know that there's a mole or whatever on the show. So there's some more I can I've only seen a little bit of it, so I don't really fully understand it. I can explain that now. The inmates are aware that there are camera crews, though I believe what they're told is that they're just doing one of those life behind bars type of shows. So the inmates at large are aware of production crews and cameras, and the way they do it is they interview, you know, random inmates. They interview people that aren't on the show, so to speak, and so it doesn't look weird. They they just randomly pull all kinds of inmates out to be interviewed. And when they pull out these contestants they're able to talk, yeah, you know, about their experiences, but it doesn't look shady because everyone's being pulled out and and you can pay me enough fucking money to be on that fucking showman. I'm sorry you had to be in there. Yeah, because, I mean, I was learning some things I didn't know, of course, like putting on your sneakers. Oh yeah, lace and that's one prison. Lacing up means you're going to fight. I'm like, Oh Jesus Christ, how can you live that way? It's like savagery. Yeah, man, yeah, you got a lace up, you good. I mean there's some people that spend their whole time locked up, like they never they'll see this dudes walking around in his flip flops all day. That that's that's a no no, because if you... that, it means that you're not ready to fight and you got to always be ready. But usually people are walking around in their sandals and then, yeah, if it comes time to fight, you lace up. But but yeah, man, I mean I've seen people, I think I've mentioned on the show, like I've seen people get in fights from the shower when they're a buck naked and fighting, you know, and whatever. So I mentioned that. Yeah, it happens. I'll tell you what, this works for me, man, that scares me straight. There's no way and fucking in Hell I want to go there. Ever, and I mean you call it like bottom of the errold TV, and I understand because it is a reality program but it's not like your typical lot court show right where you see someone suing somebody else because they fucking stole their parent. This is this is some serious fucking shit. People get really fucked up. And you mentioned the drama inside, the politics inside. Yeah, how you can wake up every day not knowing what could happen to me? It is just unfathomable. I just cannot grasp it. So and that is why I'm glad that people are able to see this, because as much as you hear about jail in prison, unless you've been there or you actually now, it seems like if you've seen this show, you you know. At least now you have more of a kind of a idea, because that's I do find that show fairly realistic. SNITCHING and weird drama and notwithstanding, there are a few weird, suspect things in there, but but for the most part that show is pretty realistic in the although it's in a different county than I'm used to, it's it is fairly realistic and fairly eye opening. So if you have any thoughts on this or any other topic that we have discussed during the show, or basically just want to tell us anything whatsoever, we are easy enough to reach. You can follow us on twitter at selling out show or send us an email. Selling out show at GMAILCOM. We appreciate your thoughts and want to hear from you. 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Progressive Rock bands like Genesis and yes took full advantage of these techniques, and producers arena rock bands like queen were putting out excessive, some would say bloated, records, and soon a whole generation of artists started making music to rebel against this trend, eskewing perfection for a more accurate recorded representation of their energetic live performances. It wasn't completely unprecedented. These bands were following the lead of earlier grittier acts like the MC five, who sang kick out, the jams, and the Proto punk of the New York dolls or Iggy and the stooges. Again by one nineteen seventy six, certain people's frustration with the sonic excess of all that prog rock and other styles of music from country to disco had prompted a return to the rawness of Real, rebellious rock and roll. People started calling it punk, but bands like New York's the Ramons in London sex pistols...

...were really just playing simple, fast rock and roll, just stripped down to its glorious, imperfect roots. This inspired others and before long the dead boys, the misfits and others were filling in the blanks, beefing up the scene in New York and New Jersey, centered mostly around clubs like C B G B in Max's Kansas City and putting out roughly produced records. Of course, in England the scene not only had led to more popular acts like the exploited in the addicts, but it also morphed into the death rock or goth scene represented by Bauhaus Specimen, sex gang children and others. The scene in Britain actually got pretty huge, almost commercialized, more so than America even. But in North America, as underground as it remained, this imperfect alternative to mainstream bands morphed into a bunch of other scenes too. The raw production in somewhat sloppy energetic rock sound continued with acts like Doa, the germs and the circle jerks. Some of the roughest sounding stuff was found in the emergence of the hard core see California's black flag. In DC's bad brains and minor threat released unpolished albums of short, fast and heavy anthems in the Reagan years of America's s punk also eventually found favor with the skateboarding and surfing community on the west coast, which led to bands that fused the speed and distortion with melody and even sweet vocal harmonies, bands like bad religion, pennywise, no effects. In the vandals. This disdain for shiny production and artifice found its way into other musical movements as well. It's hard to get rougher and harsher sounding than the industrial metallic banging of ND stirs and Dennoy bountain or test department, or the electronic experimentation of throbbing gristle or Boyd Rice. The instrumentation may have been different, but the industrial scene was often more punk than punk. One scene that emerged in the early s that holly embraced the sort of low fi ethos of punk too extreme degrees was the Scandinavian black metal scene. In a reaction to the emerging trend of slickly produced metal coming out of the US and other parts of Europe at the time, a bunch of young, idealistic headbangers in Norway started just recording with whatever shitty equipment they could find. One artist, the controversial figure Varg Vikerness of burs M, who have mentioned on other episodes, claims to have recorded into a pair of repurposed headphones in instead of a decent mic, specifically to get that scratchy, distorted sound he was looking for. To these bands, the more Lowfi the recording, the more honest, or true, as they say, the resulting material. Shit quality became almost a badge of honor, and, to be honest, they weren't completely wrong. The atmosphere created by this style of music is haunting and disorienting, and a lot of that was created, perhaps accidentally at first, by this cheaper, truthfully halfassed way of recording. Eventually, a lot of the Norwegian band started using keyboards and more traditional studio wizardry to create their atmosphere. Dimmu Borg, gear and SATIRICON, two of the bigger names to come from that era, each eventually performed with an orchestra. Alla Metallica and Emperor's fourth and final full length album bordered on prog metal arrangements. But when mayhem and darkthrone were creating the template for what this movement was supposed to sound like, it was initially a sloppy, almost punk response to the overproduced record starting to come out of the Florida death metal scene at the time. And of course, one of the most popular takes on this punk rock ifying of music took place in the late s into the s. There were a bunch of gritty, no easy bands like flipper, the Jesus Lizard, scratch acid in the Melvins, the buttle surfers took the punk rock ethos and added a head full of acid, creating some really unique psychedelic records. In this genre, such as it was, with its fusion of noise and distortion mixed with some oddly catchy songs, directly influenced one of popular music's most important movements, arguably a chunk of the young population in the Pacific northwest at the time. We're making some exciting music, so exciting in fact, that they completely changed the face of mainstream... again after a period of bloated, overproduced success. Just as punk rock in the s responded to Prague and Adult Contemporary Pablum, this new scene, annoyingly dubbed Grunge for ease of pigeon holing, was an exciting breath of fresh air after hair metals, gross slickly produced hold on the air waves. Suddenly the spotlight was on Seattle Washington and bands like sound garden, alice and chains, mud honey, screaming trees and, of course, Nirvana were all of a sudden the sound de jure. So basically, what I'm getting at in all of this rambling is that when the musical landscape becomes a mess of corporate, mass produced Cookie Cutter slop or just overly polished bombast, as it always seems to there's always a bunch of idealistic kids with instruments jamming in their basements or garage is ready to add some much needed vitality to the system, and the Grimeer, the Grittier, the more low fi, the better. Again, maybe this point of view is just a remnant of my own youth. Maybe I'm thinking too much about it, but I'm happy whenever that Old Punk Rock Spirit rears its head, whether it makes its way into mass consciousness on the radio or whatever, or just shows up in small clubs or, in these modern times, in small, dimly lit corners of the Internet. Here's to all the scruffy dudes making noise challenging the status quo. I may be a huge sellout in most areas of my life, but I still appreciate the spirit of passionate music making that comes from that true punk rock mentality. I mean, I know I'm rambling here, dude, but I feel like a lot of what I'm trying to get at is that, you know, Punk Rock, as it were, is is an easy catch all term to kind of describe a certain movement that happened. But if you look at it, like punk has many faces. And when you say Punk, some people may think of, yeah, like cheesy Shit, like no effect. I mean well, no effects is kind of cheesy occasionally, but like blink UN and eighty two or pennywise, these kind of the offspring people. Pople think of that as punk. Some people think of the Ramons, some people think of IGGY pop. But if you look at it, Dude, punk rock to me is just that kind of spirit of you know what, not overproducing, not overthinking, to just kind of you know, as as few stops between you and your guitar and the record. You know what I'm saying? Like to me it's just a sort of that unpolished sort of like it's just me, just my instrument, and how do you like it? I don't need a lot of studio wizardry and I just I know you and I, as we get older, we listen to we've mentioned. You know, you listen to your Michael McDonald. We like our brain. Yeah, we like Shit, like yeah, but but I still have that young sort of whatever it is. That that that Joi de VI vive. I can't speak French. That that fucking Juna SI qui. Let me try more French, whatever whatever you say. That that that thing that makes me appreciate. Yeah, like rough, unproduced, like I'm still ready to call people to sell out, you know what I mean, and I'm fucking I'll be forty this year. So yeah, whatever it is, it dies hard, you know, in me so well. You can't speak French. So I'm going to kind of loosely interpret something they say in Mexico when they say street Taco is a better because they're season with a little bit of dirt. To that as a joke. Yeah, it's a joke right, but they're saying, you know, it's more are real, is more honest, it's more raw, the tackles you get on the street that you wouldn't a fancy restaurant. So I see what you're saying. where it may not necessarily be labeled as punk music, but punk still has its hooks in any any kid out there who's rebelling against the system or whatever. It's popular and hip and cool at the time it says fuck it, I'm doing it my way and it's going to be dirty. Yeah, it's gonna be rude, right, it's going to be in your face. fucking a. This is rock and roll, Dude. You just blew my mind. That quote is so perfect, man, like a little bit of dirt. That's exactly what I'm talking about. You just summed it up in one sentence. Broke shows over. That's it. No, basically, I thought it was brilliant how you just tied basically a bunch of different rock and roll genres together there in your knees. Knows, because I don't hear this before you do it on air, right, so I'm just like the listener. I'm listening to you talking and I go wow, that's amazing how you tied this to that and every other thing. So yeah, it hats off to you as well, my friend. That was very well done. Thanks, man. I mean yeah, a lot of people don't seem to think you know, black metal w when you think punk, but to me they're so similar. And another one that I didn't really touch on... the the grindcore movement in Britain. If you look at grindcore bands like napalm death and some of these artists there. The the main thing. Yeah, some of it is. So it's all pretty much unpolished and gritty and one of my favorite music reviewers online uses the term blood caked. He says I like my death metal and my grindcore a little blood cake. It's a little rough and gross sounding. I don't want it over produced, and so I see a lot more connection with when I listened to grindcore and especially early black metal, I see a lot more connection to punk rock than I do to like even black sabbath or led Zeppelin or early proto metal bands. I see. Yeah, I see more of a connection to the stooges or the MC five even. And Yeah, I just hope that continues. Basically, what I was getting at is that I hope that there's always some kid banging on a set of drums or guitar and recording into a four track or a tape deck that he has. I'd although I doubt. Let's fine, that's I wouldn't think that's happened. But yeah, I get the vibe because sending out there. Yeah, but that's what concerns me, because every every movement you just talked about her. Every style genre is very cyclical, where it's like, okay, this was the product of pop radio being this right, but I'm so out of touch now I couldn't tell you, as far as rock and roll goes, what is popular now. What is is there anything to even rebel against? What are the slick sounds being produced now? I mean, I'm aware there's these bands like savage dragons. See, yeah, they rock. Are they even a rock? Man? I don't know. I don't know. Man. Yeah, that Shit. What is? What is the most Popular Rock Act? Yeah, right now, I don't know that there's them. There's some band called the hell. I don't know. Yeah, imagine dragons is one. I mean the fat I call him savage dragons are imagine? I don't know. I think I might call him savage dragons. Won't there play that back because of the Comic Book Right I showed? It shows just how far out of touch I truly am. Well, but that's what I mean. I don't know what was I don't know what top forty rock looks like right now. Yeah, so I don't know what the rebellion would sound like either. I have no idea. That's how out of touch. I am. Yeah, no, I'm with you, man. I'm pretty out of touch with a lot of it too. But I I do occasionally go and see what's what's popular. I'm just just in looking at the shit. I like. I occasionally will accidentally happen upon something that's, you know, popular, just because it's in my whatever, it's in recommendations or whatever, and I yeah, I don't know, there's there's some interesting stuff. I mean I just get, yeah, you get this heartened. When it's like this, everything starts to sound the same, you get one band that really changes it up and is this whoa like all of a sudden, yeah, the Mumford and sons, as lame as they are, at least they were. They were like this new sound. That's like. Well, it was a new take on an old sound, and that was like revolutionary in that it was, you know, bringing back something people hadn't heard in a long time. And the next thing I knew there was this whole neo folk, neo whatever, retro, neo, retro. How was that for a sound? You know, but sounds great. You know, put it on a CD and sell it. Yeah, and we're so fucking old we're talking about tape decks and CDs. Those things are even fucking exist anymore. It's ridiculous. But Oh my God, we're out of touch. Well, let's just hold my God, we're such old fogies. Good Lord. Well, let's just hope there's some kid, like I said, banging on a fucking guitar somewhere and he's got the way of the world. He's the hope of our whole you know, musical landscape of the future. This there's always got to be some kids that just want to make noise and some kid out there tapping on a notebook with his pen. That's that's how some of the bands I always him when I was a teenager get started. People didn't have a drum kit. Yeah, so you'd show up with a NOTEPAD, you pen, start tapping it. Someone started singing and you know, in hindsight, how ridiculous is that? But but that led to someone buying the drum kit, that led to someone buying a guitar and then before you know it, jamming out in the garage and trying to do different thing. Even when there's some great movement, a lot of times you'll have all these copycats that water it down and and screw it up. But we need people to just keep as long as the spirit is there and it's you know, you can hear authenticity. I feel like you get to an extent you are you can hear artifice. You know, you can hear fake. Yeah, and so, yeah, we just we need you kids. Anyone, anyone you know buy guitars by fueler rooms, Bueler? Well, I guess nate. In the meantime, will we wait? Can you bend over because I want to throw some dirt in your Taco? You throw dirt in my Taco and I'll blow air and your balls. Too late, too late. Our...

...hurts when I laugh. Oh my God, we know what I want to before we go. I want to because we're dying. Your Voice is going Rasp my stomach is killing me. So the fact that we put this show together in itself isn't accomplishment of troopers. We are troopers. But before we hit the road, I want to give it thanks to the professor frenzy show, the good pals of ours, and they always give us a shout out every episode, but the last one was really special to me. Chris and Jerry are really nice guys and they went on and talked about some of the topics that we discussed in our show, namely I am TV, cable television and stuff, and that meant a lot to me, especially now because I've been trying to heal up. Yeah, of course that's all fucked up because nate's been making me laugh, but still I appreciate it all the same, just like I appreciate each and every person out there who checks out our show, if you're a regular listener or a new listener. I love the crap out of it. Virtual hugs for all of you, and that wraps it up to this episode. We got to hit the role because I need to lay the fuck down. I need to rest my voice up. Apparently I am Dave. That is nate, and this has been selling out. He's out infirmary media. This is no ordinary subshop, this is fire house ups. I'm tired of overpriced lunches that under deliver on flavor. Head to fire house ups where, for a limited time, you can get a four hundred and ninety nine choice sub. Choose from a medium smoke, Turkey, Virginia, honey, ham or roast beef. Their custom made hot subs that are price ready made to make you smile. Just four hundred and ninety nine only at firehouse ups. Enjoy more subs, save more lives, participating locations plus tax, limit time. AFEL prices may vary for delivery. This is no ordinary subshop, this is fire house ups. Tired of overpriced lunches that under deliver on flavor, head to firehouse ups, where, for a limited time, you can get a four hundred and ninety nine choice sub. Choose from a medium smoke Turkey, Virginia, honey, ham or roast beef. Their custom made hot subs that are price ready made to make you smile. Just four hundred and ninety nine only at fire house ups. Enjoy more subs, save more lives, participating locations plus tax, Lembit time. Afa prices may vary for delivery.

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