Selling Out Show
Selling Out Show

Episode 18 · 3 years ago

Ep.#18 Hot Air


There's just too much to talk about these days, so we're moving away from a single topic episode this time around and touching upon multiple subjects in a way that suits our society's shorter attention span...including our own! On the docket are dreams and their effects on our waking lives, a ridiculous new singing competition show of sorts that now pollutes our airwaves, ambivalence about the death of a pet, the importance of photographs, plus an old story of getting a bit too personal with a registered sex offender. Nate's Notes rounds out the episode with a tribute to some artists who found inspiration in their own impending death. Cheerful stuff, Nate!
1:48- The Masked Singer
7:20- A look at dreams and their effects
12:45- A four-legged farewell
16:12- Photography fandom
24:31- A night to FORGET
35:50- Nate's Notes (Brilliance of Blackstar)
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Right, you hear that commercial andsomeone like me, I want to think I'm above like subliminal messaging orbeing hooked in by advertisers. Unfortunately, my wife is a complete opposite.She sees a commercial and she goes, Oh wow, I've got to watchthis. So the night it is on, and I'm sure there's been a fewepisodes since then, but I only watched the premiere. She was likeOh, Dave, come on, come on, you gonna Miss It,you're gonna Miss It, and I'm like, Oh, you gonna be fucking kiddingme. She really wants me to go sit down and watch this fuckingthing. And I'm a loving guy, I'm a good husband. I didjust that. The problem is is so overly produced, cheesy, and Imentioned earlier how the hosts, or the judges rather, are trying to guesswhat celebrity it could be. HMM, they're so outlandish they might as wellbe like Oh, that's Bob Dylan, or Ho Shit, that's Elvis Presley. Because, like you said, like would celebrities subject themselves to wearing costumes? I mean, if you're really famous, why even bother? I know dudelike that seems like like I understand. I'm getting this sense that the judgesthemselves, like you mentioned Jenny Maccarthy, you mentioned some of these people,that they aren't at the peak of their celebrities. So I understand that. But but the ones that are coming into sing like what, what sortof level are you at where you, like I said, you're dressing uplike a furry or a Freakin mascot from a Shitty Japanese baseball contage to yeah, like a right, right, interesting, interesting, I am not well,not an interest. I'm sorry, I'm not interested at all, iswhat I meant say. Yeah, we do not promote this show in anyshape or form. All I can say is this is one of the worstthings I've ever watched. I watch the entire hour of it and of courseit's one of those things where they going to reveal who one of the masssingers are at the end and to spoil it for everybody, because I hopeyou don't watch it. Anyway. The first singer was Antonio Brown, whoI know you're not familiar with, but the wide receiver from the Pittsburgh steelers, and it was a terrible song and there's even one she's dressed like aunicorn and they give clues like who they could be, and they're vague.But she says that she was raised in Beverly Hills, grew up rich andno one could believe she would ever have a singing career and people always puther down. So this is her chance to show the world she could sing. She's saying like Shit, like fucking add a Gabage, and I thoughtto myself, okay, you fucking loaded, you had rich parents or whatever.Right, you could just make an album. Everybody does. No onehas any talent anymore. True, yeah, people going on Soundcloud, just puttingup their own shit. Anybody can record nowadays, dude, right.But because she's trying to do the sympathy thing, where I'm good, noone believes in me and the crowd goes all and the judges go all andI just cry Bullshit. Get the fuck off the stage. I just wantto smash my tv into a million pieces. Recently, dreams have been really fuckingme up. Dude, they've been fucking you up. It's weird,like I had a dream where and I know no one wants to hear someoneelse's dreams. You mentioned this to me before pre show. Yeah, Ijust I wasn't trying to be cruel, like for the listeners day. wascoming up to me and saying, you know, I I've had this dreamthat I wanted to discuss on the show, and I remember a standup comic atone point saying there's nothing more boring than hearing someone else describe their dreamto you, because it's always impactful or whatever to the dreamer, but it'sfull of shit from the dreamer's life and emotions are there are subjective. Soto a listener it's not going to sound great. It's always like Ha,you know, you were there, but you had, you know, Jim'shead. So it was really fucked up and it was making me sad forsome reason. And and there, you know, it's just you know.So the person listening it's kind of like, okay, I get it and I'mnot going to do that to you. Okay, I'm going to talk aboutthe after effect because at my age, I'm forty years old, and nowwhen you have a bad dream it's almost like an omen. Yeah,you worry when you wake up, and I had this really vivid dream ofan ex girlfriend to the point where I woke up kind of shook. Itexted you about I'm like, man, that was really messed with my mind. I looked her up and I haven't even thought about her and God knowshow long, just to see if she was still alive. MMM Yeah,some like why would I have such a deep dream like a just to,I guess, a nightmare about this person, unless something bad happened to them?Well, maybe because your mind was bored. I feel like dreams arejust your mind being bored and taking all these images and concepts that you're familiarwith and making a movie for you. So to me, dream I don'tknow. There's all these dream dictionaries and dream you know whatever books, somethings that I've never bought into it. Well, on Christmas Eve I hadanother dream. Again, no details here, but I woke up and I couldn'tbreathe. It was terrifying. I actually stood up, ran to thebathroom gasping for airs if I was underwater, I know, and I'm like,Oh shit, am I gonna die on Christmas Eve? That's going tolook really great on my tombstone. And it took a couple minutes of mejust you know, being the fish out...

...of water there to finally calm down, mm and relax, and I'm like, if a dream can have that muchof an impact on me, I'm in some big trouble. Yeah,well, yeah, you know, if you're in danger of dying for Dream, I've mentioned before how I you know we've pulled muscles in our sleep.You you were talking about that before. And where. You know there's multipleways to die just in your sleep. As you get older, apparently youknow where we are vulnerable people now that we're getting older. Why? Iused to think that when I was a kid, like old folks have passedaway in their sleep. That's why they died. They probably had a like, a really nasty nightmare and just couldn't handle it. They fell in theirdream. And when you die in a dream, you die in real life. You ever heard it's Daddy. There you go. It's like Freddy Krueger'sout there is something. But no, it really did. It shook meand I was like I really don't want to fucking Croak and I definitely don'twant to Croak that way, waking up unable to breathe. So not cool, man, not cool at all. Fuck you dreams. I'm glad you'reokay, Dave. I'm glad this, this dream didn't kill you, andand I'm glad the the X that you mentioned, is apparently still alive andwell, although I haven't heard from her or talk to her and decades atthis point. But you know, yeah, well, that would have been whatever. Yeah, it is what you know. It is what it is, but at the same time, if you have something that, I don'tknow, just vivid, you think something seriously happened. So well do don'tget me wrong, like dreams, dreams can really affect you. I meanI know that. I know I I constantly wake up like my dreams arevery vivid. My I'm not saying that I'm not affected by them, andI'm not. I mean I I definitely have the outlook that they're not asserious or as important as a lot of people, especially new agey sort ofhipsters, tend to think they are. Like I've dated girls in the pastor known people who are like, Oh my God, I interpret dreams forpeople and I I do this and I have all these books that show andit's like that to me is nonsense, but I'm not going to say thatmy dreams don't really affect me like I've I'll have dreams where when I wakeup the rest of my day is fucked up just because of a dream Ihad and and it's it's simply because, dude, I read somewhere, Iforget if it was a philosopher a scientist, had said that a dream or ahallucination is as real as any other experience to the person experiencing it,because the emotions and the heart rate, all that shit is is really happening. It's just that you know the the circumstances aren't necessarily real, but yougo through that Shit, Dude. I mean so I definitely understand that but, like I said, I just don't put a lot of stock into meaningsor deeper, you know, whatever translations of these things. But I definitelyTom Penny had it going on running down a dream, dude. I know, I I can't quote the rest of those lyrics. I don't know exactlyhow it goes, but but yeah, yeah, I actually my band coversthat song. It's funny. It's funny and you don't remember the word.I don't because I don't sing it, but I but I can play theshit out of the baseline. You know, I did pick up a dream bookrecently, since I've been so, you know, concerned with them,and I got to have you ever dreamed about a chicken? Not that Ican remember? Good, then you don't have an oedipis complex. Thank God. My dog died. Oh, oh, segue H wow, that's that's areal experience. I'm sorry to hear that, but, recalling the wayyou've talked about your dog in the past, I don't know how sorry I am. How how are you feeling about this day? I'm torn on itbecause I gave the dog away, so technically it wasn't my dog anymore.The whole deal with that was because I had so much disdain for my dog, as our listeners might know from previous episodes. I was like, I'mnot giving my dog to best life it could have, and I knew anotherfamily that had multiple dogs. Love Dogs, and I thought, you know,if they're willing to have them, they should, they should take himbecause he'll be able to run free and be happy and all that good stuff. MMM, and so they did. So I was thankful for that.I was happy with that on occasion, as I got you know, cleanedup his stuff and get rid of his toys and everything. I felt alittle sad, you know, is one of those things. I was theonly person who took care of the dog to begin with. So, butanyway, over the holiday break I found out he got hit by a car, Oh my God, and died. Wow, and I really struggled withthis because I was sad. But then like my inner dude, I guessI could call him, was like, book up, motherfucker's just a dog. Yeah, we bitched about the dog. You always complained about the dog.Can't go crying about the dog now. And I kind of had to acceptthat part be like yeah, I let him go. Yeah, notnot into the street like these other people did, but I let him goto some other family. It wasn't my my responsibility anymore. Right, right, but it did bring a certain level of sadness and I definitely struggled withso. I didn't want to see him die. Yeah, man, Imean that's sad. I mean you you...

...had washed your hands of your dog, but you know, emotions are still there. There's residual fucking feelings forany living thing. You're human, you're not a fucking monster. You're nota robot. You feel, you have a much this is true. Ido feel, but I usually don't feel for animals. I really don't.Yeah, I don't have that connection. We've talked about this in the past. For me, it's a pet, you know. And again, that'sthat's what went on in my mind at the time. was like, petscome and go, you know, don't fucking dwell on it. It iswhat it is, right, I mean, imagine if they didn't call you totell you, you would have known. So right, that's true. Liveand keep rocking and rolling, but I still still kind of little punchin the gut there, you know. Absolutely, Dude. Yeah, no, I'm you know, I'm always I'm an animal lover. So I'm sorry. I didn't know your dog. But you know, it's sad. Butthen again, you know, I'm sure a million dogs were hit by carsyesterday that I didn't know. So it is, you know, but youare I feel like it's it's good. It shows that use that you know, that the dog did make an impact on your life. Yeah, youknow. Yeah, I didn't tell my son. Good, sure, youknow. No, I never wanted to like kind of like deal with thewhole pet death things. That's another good thing about giving the dog away.Yeah, I'm like, well, I will have to deal with that.And of course I've had the opportunity now to process my emotions over Bonga asa dog lingo. That's right, Bonga and see, yes, he wasa pain in my motherfucking ass. So well, a pain in the assno more. When Cameron was in the gypts, my camera, photos,photo appear into my soul. You are a snapshot of the Sublime Photo.They last forever. They printed on your mind. Photos. You know,I'm a parrot and a lot of parents out there take videos of everything theirkid does. I've said this in the past where it's in like Oh,he's eating a grape, take a video of him eating a grape. Yeah, but I stopped and thought about that for a second. I almost feltguilty. I was like, you know, maybe I should take more videos somy key can look back, you know, like a home movie orwhatever. Right, and those are all fine and Dandy, but I thinkphotos are the perfect form of like a snack sized entertainment, right, meaningyou can take a photo and you can easily look at it for one secondor you could look at it for ten hours, right, depending on howmuch you enjoy that photo. Right. We're in videos. You kind ofmore committed to sitting and watching something for, you know, predetermined amount of time. That's true. So I defended my own stance and I felt betterabout it. I'm like, well, okay, so later on in life, if my case is dad, why didn't you take more videos of meat my baseball game? White as fucking twenty pictures. I'm going to givethem that reason. He might look at me like I'm a complete asshole,which in many ways could in fact be true, but I really do believephotos are the best ways to capture your memories in life. Yeah, well, there were a great invention, man. Think about back in the day whenpeople had to when you know, I was listening to something recently wherethey were talking about how the old pictures, how nobody was ever smiling in thoseold like eighteen hundreds factors or whatever, and they said that the main reasonwas because it took so long for a picture to actually like now it'syou click and it's done. Back then they literally for the for the imageto be exposed onto the film or whatever it was like you had to sitthere for like minutes on ends and people just didn't feel comfortable smiling for thatlong. Nobody, I don't think, back in the eighteen hundred smiled forlonger than like fifteen seconds at a time because life was so miserable. Soso to sit there with a smile for a three minutes while the picture thatdoes sound terrible. And I once took a trip to fenway pack and Itook a bus and there was a Japanese tourist on the bus, him andhis wife, and she was taking fucking photos of everything. But I foundhumorous about it was, I mean the most obscure stupid things, like we'reon the bus and there's like stand up, take a picture. He wouldn't smile. And then, you know, I saw him outside of the ballpackin the they were doing the same thing, like stand by the statue. Hewouldn't smile. Yeah, and I'm like what's The fucking point of thisguy taking eight hundred pictures if he doesn't crack a smile in any of them? None of them. Yeah, here's me being sad over here, here'sme being morose over in the bus. Here's me, yeah, it's noteven a rose. It's like I exist. Yeah, I once existed. Inthis moment in time, here I am, you know, and Idon't have to be happy about it. And he could have been happy aboutit. Maybe he's just very businesslike kind of guy. Maybe had a shittysmile. Yeah, why would you take them all time? Why would youtake pictures of yourself smiling all the time if you have an ugly smile?You know, some people let's keep some people have ugly smiles, you know. True, you could have had some rotted chiclets up in there. Youknow, I didn't even consider it because I never saw him open. Hismouth. Was Right, right. Maybe...

...that's why. Or maybe at thewife was just overbearing. I can understand that too. Maybe it's tired totake a fucking pictures. Yeah, like just one is fine, baby.Yeah, I'm making me take a picture next to the bus driver, thennext to the the coin collector, the little token thing, and then,I mean it was literally everywhere, like he could have, I don't know, ted a shoelaces and she's like, Oh, take up picture if youtie your shoelaces. So poor bastard. But yeah, imagine his funeral whenthey put up all the photos and stuff, this is stone face, fucking guy. Yeah, everywhere. I mean you could have been like by thePyramids of Egypt's yeah, that would be weird if all the pictures were ofhim looking like that and then when you looked in the open coffin at hiswake he was like some for some reason they made him smiling in the coffin. So it's like the opposite of user. But Hey, if anybody out therehas the opinions on any of the things that we've talked about thus far, you can always hit us up on twitter at selling out show or shootus a line via selling out show at GMAILCOM. Maybe you're a video guy. Maybe you want to defend your stance of taking a hundred videos off yourkid fucking, I don't even know, stumbling over myself, falling down thestairs, I don't know, but any of these things, dreams, whatever, terrible TV show, it doesn't matter. You can talk about your cat.Yes, we want to hear from you. We want to hear fromyou, so make sure you drop us a line and follow us on twitterplease. Hemp bombs nate, we have a new partner in the form ofww dot hemp Bombscom, the makers of a variety of CBD products. Theywere kind enough to send us a bunch of samples and, Holy Calaman,I am enjoying the dickens out of him. How about yourself? 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Shittier years that I've referenced. AdNase you on this show. But but yeah, I I was thinkingabout how dreams specifically sometimes could be disturbing and effective when you have good dreams. It's not always just bad, disturbing dreams, right, because I rememberspecifically this period where I had some rough times where I was I was homeless. I was staying at a shelter in the nice weather. I would actuallyoccasionally sleep outside. I do it. It was bad, it was like. But but the funny thing was, I say it was bad because objectively, this is a bad thing. You're homeless, you have nowhere really stay. But when I wash. This was like I was in my early S. I was young, I was healthy and it was almost kind of,I don't want to say an adventure, but, dude, it was summertime. I'd sleep out in a park if I didn't want to sleep in thestinky shelter with all these people. Because, to get back to the dream thing, I noticed I would sleep in the shelter and I would have gooddreams about the the positive days. Like, say, I'd be dreaming about hangingout with some old friends or being with, you know, and againex girlfriend or something where it was positive memories. And then I remember specificallylike having this really good dream and then waking up to the sound of ahomeless guy next to me farting so loud it woke me up and him up, and he like looked at me like was that you were me? I'mlike, God, I think it was you, dude, but uh,yeah, but but imagine that offended. was he like how dare you know? I think he just kind of laughed at off and I'm like, dude, I was just having this dream of like how good my life was ahandful of years ago, and it's almost like that was more disturbing because thenyou're waking up to the nightmare, you know what I mean? Like notto get too dark, but it was like but anyway. So, so, those times you do and I was when I was kind of going throughthat homeless period. There was I don't know, I just I started thinkingabout this this time where I was I was going to work a day everyday. You know, I didn't, I couldn't hold down a real job, so I would go to this workaday place where they'd find you labor jobsfor the day. You'd work like, yeah, hours and get a shittycheck for like under fifty dollars. I get hours or work or whatever,but it was enough to go. Yeah, I wasn't that the keys in hallskin about the boots? Yeah, yeah, that's all. Okay,ladies, we're gonna eat twelve guys today. You you are steel toe boots.Yeah, yeah, Dat. I'd work at this workaday and I noticedthere would be this co worker that would always be on the same jobs asme and and he looked familiar, you know, he was somebody that I'mlike, I've probably seen him around either on the streets with me or adone time. So maybe I'd seen him in jail or whatever and dude,I I one day he was after work. He's like, Dude, I gotyou know, I got. I forget if you got like an SSIcheck on top of his work, a day check that day, whatever itwas. He was like. He's like, nate, you want who you know? You want to go? I'll get a hotel for the night andwill will get high for that way. We don't, because he was,I believe, bouncing around and crashing in the shelter and stuff too. Soso it's like yeah, man, we'll get a hotel. He was offeringto get me high for the night. You know, dude, wow,some coke, do some dope whatever. So all in yeah, man,I'm down. So we get a cab and the funny thing was the cabdriver kind of hurt us talking. The CAB driver ended up hooking us up, which was interesting in itself. Things were just kind of aligning that night. It's like where we're going to get our coke, and the cab driverslike, Oh, you need coke, I got you. So yeah,wow, hey, lucky, you perfect. So he brings us to the hoteland, dude, it's interesting, like I didn't know the guy thatwell, but we're in the hotel room and for our listeners who don't doa lot of cocaine, especially smoking it or injecting it, you get reallyquiet. You're not really talkative and friendly when you're doing you you do.You do a blast, a cook and you're like looking out the windows.You're kind of like you're not talking if somebody makes a noise, like becauseyou think fucking cops or aliens or hair and are coming. Yeah, whateverit is. So so it's all awkward in the room and, and Imean eventually, I calmed down with some dope. We call it landing gear. When you're all geeked out from coke and you need to come down alittle comfortably, you do a shot of heroin in the call it landing gearbecause it's like you come down easier. So Anyway, I'm on my hotelbed, he's over there on his and I'm, you know, in myown world. I'm either watching TV, whatever I was doing, and Ihappen to look over at this dude on his bed and dude, I don'tknow. First of all, he's looking at a magazine. I don't evenknow where he got the magazine if he just carried around with him or becausehe didn't stop at a store. But I noticed he's got a Porno magazineon the yeah, he's this is the days before cell phone porn and whatnot, so worse, right. Yeah, so he's looking at a magazine andDude, he's openly masturbating on the bed... to me, like the bedis, you know, under five feet from my bed, you know,and he's just like not even concerned with the fact that I'm that I'm nextto him, you know, and when I looked over, he didn't evenacknowledge that I had looked over. It's not like he was like, oh, sorry, you know, he just kept going and never asked permission.You never said Hey, buddy, you might if I just rub one outright. Not at all. Heard like the Fok fuck folking turned over and, oh Jesus, apparently, because I don't know if he felt entitled becausehe had he had to be honest, and this is probably what kept mefrom getting freaked out. or well, aside from the fact that I wasso geeked out on coke that I really didn't want to move much from whereI was. But looking over and I was just like, well, hedid pay for all my shit that night. He paid for the hotel room.Like he's not asking me to do anything. He's not like sexually assaultingme or anything like that. So I'm like, you know what, doa thing, man. I'm sure if somebody, I'm sure if somebody sawme shooting whatever drugs I was doing, they'd think that was dirty and gross. So I'm like, how am I going to judge this dude? Whatever, he should have gone in the bathroom, but it is what it is.You wanted to be comfortable on his bed that he paid for. SoI'm like whatever, I let you know. He finished, he did his thing. Apparently I didn't. I didn't witness him finish. You know,I was I was just kind of like pretendant, observing. Yeah, Ipretended he was, you know, not there. Did my own thing.And then it's interesting. I'm thinking about it, I'm like, I rememberedthat image of him master being made me remember where I knew him from.I when I had done time. I used to work in the kitchen.I think I've mentioned this on the podcast in the past. Yeah, sure, and and when I worked in the Chow Hall. The different blocks wouldcome through and get their food and we'd slap their shit on their tray asthey walked by. And when the dude I remembered him from the protective custody, the block that would come through, the the block full of rats andskinners and whatnot, and in it made perfect sense. I'm like, Aha, I used to see that dude come through line and it's funny. Hewas wearing these trademark aviator glasses with like a red tint. That was verylike memorable like that as I and he was wearing them in the hotel likewhile we'd work together. So you'd think. I was like where do I knowthis dude with the red tinted aviator glasses from? Given sounds right,and he had a like a porn stash cheesy mustache. I'm like, thisdude look like a sex offender and how did I not realize? So Heis, and here I am at a hotel with a sex offender, thisdude I'd spent hundreds of dollars that night to get us both high. I'mnot comfortable that I hung out with a sex offender. Don't know, ofcourse, not right. And and I've never hung out with him since thatnight, but it's just interesting how paths can cross in unexpected ways. Because, Oh and another just a little addendum to that, is that when Ithought about, like this Dude's master being next me, this asshole, youknow he's somehow, you know he's like it's offending me. I thought aboutall the times when the PC block would come through chow and we would adda little like cup of urine to their juice or whatever we Tain't somehow Tain'ttheir food, and I thought about I'm like, you know what I canget. I can live with this dude masturbating in front of me after allthis shit I probably did to his food. You know, I don't. Granted, I don't know what this kid, this guy did to be a sexoffender. He could, I mean, he could have just pissed in publicand been called a sex offender or whatever, or ended up in theskinner block because he was a rat. I don't know, buddy, thered glasses and porn stash and I'm not able to keep from masturbating in frontof someone like that. Seems like you're having trouble controlling urges. You knowwhat I'm saying like so, so, yeah, man, I or hecould have said you, Hey, can you go in the bathroom for afew minutes? I guess I'm not going to try here, right here.And it's blew a whole bunch of money on cocaine in a hotel right.Or Hey, nate, you want to run down to the store? Here'stwenty bucks. Go get me some liquor or whatever. And while I'm gone, do you think like? There are plenty of ways you could have hecould have handled this, you know, but but he didn't. And andit is what it is. I spent a night no hotel room with thesex offender and and he masturbated in front of me and and it is whatit is. But so he might have drank your piss. You could possiblydrink your piss in prison. That's true. Our Stars somehow aligned in a fewways. But you know, that's not my proudest moment, you know, obviously, but right, you know. But there's there's a lot of others. I mean, I I can go into some other things, buttalking about dreams made me think of the dreams in the shelter and which broughtme to this. And I'm not going to go into my whole train ofthought, but you know, yeah, like you said, it was alow period for you. You were homeless at the time and, you know, still addicted to drugs. Were in someone off as you a bunch ofFree Shit. You don't say no,...

...dude, and you said you wantto tie it into the dreams, with the whole thought, but I wouldask you if you had sweet dreams at night in the hotel room. ButI know you didn't sleep. Yeah, I didn't sleep well at all thatnight, to be honest with you, but you could have. Could ithave been the cocaine? It could have been a mix between the cocaine andhaving a sex offender sleeping less than five feet from me. But as aclincher, yeah, definitely clinch up when you know that person's within five feetof you. Yes, sir, but man. Yeah, so my lifeget is more and more of an open book to these listeners as as wego on, but I will have no secrets after a while. You know, day from the selling out show, here to tell you about spunk loob. Spunk loube is a multi award winning mover can't use by professionals in theadult film industry. Spunk is available in hybrid pure silicone, natural and pickspunk is made with the highest quality ingredients and is non stating, hypoellogenic andcleans with ease. Enhance your love life with spun right now. SPUNK LOUBEis by three, get one free. There's no excuse not to give ita try. SPUNK LOUB A high end product for an affordable price. Isit spunk loubecom today and you can thank me later. Dust off your lps. It's time for nate. No, no. So the talented artists canexpress things in a way that has the power to affect the lives of others. Maybe they have a way with words that just makes us look at thingsin a new way, or they create a persona for themselves that ends upbeing compelling to the general public to the point where we just want to knowas much as we can about them. Obviously, this can be a doubleedged sword to many celebrities. They want recognition for their work, they maywant adulation in love, but occasionally that can turn poisonous and fame can bea sort of curse where an artist ends up pounded by Paparazzi or over zealousfans who want more invasive access into their private lives. It's got to beweird just trying to live your life and people who don't really know you feellike they do. It's a fine line getting really personal in in the detailsof your art and lyrics. I I feel like the best art comes frompersonal introspection, but there are a lot of cases where confused fans and upfeeling a personal connection with their idols, and we are all aware of storieswhere that stuff goes bad quickly, like look at the quote relationship between MarkDavid Chapman and John Lennon, or the story of borks. would be assassinRicardo Lopez, who started as a loving fan, but somewhere that line gotblurred in his head and his feelings led him to kill himself, but notbefore sending an armed acid bomb to the object of his unrequited affections, andIcelandic recording artist that he had never actually met. It's a tricky business lettingpeople into your private life through your art. However, that's often the most evocativematerial. Sure, there are great fiction authors who can instill emotions throughcompletely made up characters and situations, but often it's that raw emotional honesty thatresonates with me, and I've never seriously contemplated stalking any of my favorite artists, so that's a good thing. I simply appreciate when an artist gets realand even shows some human vulnerability, and a few artists have let us inon the most vulnerable of moments, namely writing about their own mortality. Oneof my favorite authors, and really just one of my favorite people, wasauthor, news contributor and formidable debater Christopher Hitchens. He was a staunch atheistand ruthlessly debated religious figures and criticized sacred cows like Mother Teresa and Gandhi fortheir true actions, instead of just perpetuating the holier than now facades of thesefallible historical figures. He was a formidable warrior on the side of science andreason and an enemy of superstition and religious dogma to the end. And atthe end, when his voice was being ravaged by the cancer in his throatand he could no longer physically engage in public debate, he continued to write. He began his final book, mortality, when he was diagnosed with esophageal cancerand kept writing until the end. The book follows the course of histreatment, starting from the day he first went to the doctor after waking upfeeling literally like death, worn and over and continues and passages and entries asthings progress in his health declines, all...

...the while letting us in on hisinner thoughts and struggles. He writes until he literally can no longer do so, and because of that the ending is a bit abrupt and anticlimactic, kindof like most realistic endings. It's a powerful book, especially to those ofus who looked up to the man. Warren Zevon was a super talented songwriterwith a biting, sarcastic wit that came out in a lot of his music. Those not familiar with his name may still know his songs, which includelawyer's guns and money and werewolves of London. But the guy had a long careeran impressive body of work far beyond those couple hits. At the end, Warren was diagnosed with Mesothelioma and rather than spend his last days in painfulor incapacitating treatment, he decided to put a cap on his legacy by writingone last album. That album, called the wind, includes guest spots fromeveryone from Bruce spink Bruce Springsteen to Tom Petty Joe Walsh to Emmy Lou Harrisand a lot more. A documentary was made during the recording sessions and DavidLetterman featured Zevon as the only guest for an entire one hour episode of thelate show, where he performed and spoke openly about his illness. After Zvondied, the wind was nominated for five grammys and one two. It waspowerful, a powerful final statement, that is from such a talented prolific artist. And speaking of talented prolific artists, I have to bring up a truelegend of our time. David Bowie began his career playing catchy folk pop rockstuff that was all great in its own right, but really only hinted atthe genius of his subsequent years of output. Bowie was an enigmatic artist who pushedboundaries and played with the idea of rock stardom along the way, inventingmultiple stage personas and challenging the public's social sensibilities and prejudices. We could doa whole episode on Bowie. Dave and I are both huge fans, andfor good reason. The man was a chameleon who managed to make music inthe framework of many different styles throughout his decades long career, but there wasalways something inherently Bowie like in all of it. His voice literally and metaphoricallyshown through whether he was playing Glam Rock, soul music, synthpop, industrial,Drummond Bassin in so on. He had an awesome way of putting towords what his methods were all about. When it came to working in differentstyles and being influenced by four bears in each of the genre unras he diphis toes into, he basically said he would take all the metaphorical sawdust fromthe work of other artists who inspired him and use a little scotch tape toput it all together in his own way. Sadly, we lost this amazing talenta couple years ago to liver cancer, but in his usual creative, individualway, he found inspiration even in his impending demise. He hadn't revealedpublicly that he was ill, but instead wrote one of his most interesting andexperimental albums to date. He released the record called Black Star on January eighth, two thousand and sixteen and died two days later, leaving the public stunned, but with a final gift that continues to blow minds to this day.There are themes of mortality throughout the lyrics, mentions of looking down from heaven andreferences to sending a final message. The musical compositions alone are mind blowing. He was trying to veer completely away from traditional rock and roll, fromwhat he reportedly discussed with the others he worked with on the record, thereare synthetic beats and synthesizers, saxophone and artsy jazz passages, ambient soundscape typestuff. The whole thing is a really captivating listen, truly a worthy swansong of an album after such a storied and almost mythological lifetime of creativity.An interesting detail that was also kept secret until after the album had been releasedwas that the artwork on the physical copies, which at first glance seems kind ofminimalistic and fairly simple, held some secrets of its own. When youhold it up to a light source, the plane black field on the coveractually displays a field of stars, like in the night sky. There's alsoa weird effect where, if you reflect the light off of the vinyl recorditself, the shine that hits the wall. Think of like when you fuck aroundwith a friend by reflecting the sun off your watch or whatever into theireyes. Yeah, well, that reflection on the wall is in the shapeof like a star on one side of...

...the record and on the other sidewith what is reportedly like a spaceship. It kind of looks like a birdflying, but it's it's definitely a cool shape. It's not apparent at firstlook, it's kind of cool. The Black Star on the cover of thealbum also glows a cool blue color when it's under a black light. Granted, the artwork may not have been physically done by Bowie himself, but it'sstill his album, and all these little secrets and whatnot add to the airof mystery and legend that surround his final work and the man himself. It'san impressive enough feat to continue to create unique works throughout multiple decades of one'slife, to consistently provide people with thought provoking material and art that can berevisited over and over, but to be able to release a true finale toone's Ouvre and somehow be inspired even by mortality and death itself is a specialkind of courage that not many possess. Did you get into Black Star?I know your big Bowie Fan, but I don't know if you like BlackStar and all the little details that you brought up about the album. Ihad no idea until, I want to say, maybe five months later orsomething. Yeah, yeah, a lot of people didn't. And when youfirst heard the album on the day release and whatever, you're thinking, okay, this is cool, but you didn't really understand the whole meaning behind it. Right. Yeah, and then it's just so interesting, like he wasable to keep like somebody such a public figure, was able to keep thedetails of his own illness so secret, and I feel like there's there's anelement of, yeah, you want to keep your life private as a celebrity, but I almost feel like that was tied into the outle like I feellike he not only worked his death into his art, I almost feel likehis life itself became a work of art at the end, you know whatI mean, like he wanted Bowie was like this. He had all these, like I mentioned, characters that he would experiment with, whether it wasziggy start us to Laddin, Sane thin, my dude, great, yeah,all that stuff, and and and so it makes sense that his yeah, even at the end it's like there's references to to ziggy stardust. Ifyou watch the video for the Song Black Star, there's there's references to ziggystart us, which which he mentioned throughout his career. If you listen that, there's the album ziggy stardust. Then there's ashes to ashes in the swhere he mentions, you know, we all know major Tom's a junkie liketo. Oh, I'm sorry, Major Tom, not ziggy start ust.I'm sorry, I'm confusing. Major Tom was the whole other shit. That'swhat you are man. I'm passionate, but I'm getting flu mixed here.So seeky start us was a character, but Major Tom was even before ziggystart ust. If you think about it, space oddity, which first referenced MajorTom, was before ziggy starts was even an idea. You know whatI mean, like space oddity was I don't know, I'm sorry, Iget so excited talking about boy. I know you do too. So yeah, totally, we could again. We could make episodes. An episode andwe seem to talk about him and makes notes quite quite a bit because we'reboth just huge admirers of his work and how we did things. And youmentioned the Sawdust and Scotch tape. Yeah, and that's something I apply even inmy own life where and sometimes you get frustrated if you're a creator anything. Well, this there's nothing original left and right. There isn't. Butthere doesn't have to be, do you know what I mean? And that'sanother he embraced to words like it doesn't have to be something brand fucking newas long as people believe it's new exactly, and and and it's not. It'syes, it's interesting that he did something totally new with existing genres.Yes, but totally his own. Once he get once he puts his fingerprintson it, it's definitely his own, because you can say, okay,he put out an album that's primarily drum and bass or jungle, the earthlingalbum back in the S. yeah, but it's still a very bowie album, you know what I mean? It's still very much his own. Andand yeah, before that there was the industrial period with the outside album,where he toured with nine inch nails and actually did music with Trent resider.Like he he's just somebody that stayed current, I feel like. And and thereare detractors that will say, Oh, you know, he he just wouldlatch onto whatever was popular at the time. I've heard those criticisms.But to me I'm like, he just saw a new Palette to play withand and and was like cool, you know, like I can play herenow and and I see it as he stayed current and he did his ownthing with with whatever was there. He worked with the tools that were aroundtotally and at the ends, man, he he blew all our minds onefinal time and and I don't know, to me he continues to like Ilisten to Black Star. Just the other day, like when I was doingthis, when I was writing this,...

I was just revisiting that album andit's dude, it's so amazing. Is and I think it's one of hisbest pieces of work. And and that's saying a lot, considering the freakingbody as working. Yeah, who by Shit, man. But I findit interesting that you kind of did the polar opposites of guys who were insimilar situations, with Warren Zevon, who openly admitted that he was ill.Yeah, and he didn't have a lot of time left. You mentioned theDavid Letterman thing. Yeah, devoting a whole episode to him, him basicallysaying this is it, buddies, this is what you get right, thisis the album. While David Bowie was, in fact a shocker. That really, I caught me off God. I was like wait, what?And it's one of those things where he's an old he was an older guy. Yeah, so you always feel more sympathetic to people who are young.Right. It might have died in like more tragic circumstances, whether it bean overdose or whatever, but that one really impacted me hard, being sucha big fan for a majority of my life. Absolutely, even though Iwill admit to you the one celebrity death that made me cry wasn't David Bowie, it was Stan Lee. Oh yeah, we stanley died. I sat therefor a second and I got emotional, like cry a little bit. I'ma big softy, sure, and even now when I see something aboutStanley on TV and he was ninety five, fucking yeah, still, it's likeGrandpa or something. Right, it wasn't a tragedy, you know whatI mean? Being it wasn't like a young person tragically dying, but he'ssomebody that, to be honest, touched our lives longer than Bowie. Likeyou, maybe we got into Bowie as teenagers. Stan Lee, you werereading Stan Lee's work since you were since you could read, you know whatI mean, like like you were reading freaking comic book since you were ataught you know. So. And you brought up stalkers in the beginning ofyour nates notes. They're sure, and I've never been a stalker, butI came close. I tried, yeah, but I fail. Yeah, Ifailed. Is the sole a moonfry call? Oh, that's right,I remember I called up nine, not nine, one, one. Shemight have been called nine when when I called like one and I was likeI need to remember for a sole lay moonfry Hollywood, California. I don'teven know where she lived. I was just drunk, you know whatever,but I really want to give her a call be like hey, I thinkyou're rat. But yeah, it just it just didn't pan out. Theythought I was an idiot. They said they couldn't find the number and theyhung up on sorry, you'll call cannot be completed as dial well, tounfamiliar listeners. So lay moonfry played punky brewster back in the S and youknow she grew up into a buxom, attractive woman. And Yeah, Ican understand why you were attracted to her. And and I think it's funny that, in a sort of drunk night, you did you were trying, you, you made a halfhearted attempt to contact yea contact her. You justdialed for one one and said Hey, what's Punky Brewster's number? Basically,that's basically what you did. So I don't think that's the same as mailingan acid bomb to bjork. But no, you know this is true. ButI do remember actually saying your full name because I like I had nunciated. I was like so late, Moon Fry, because I want to makesure they understood me fully. I didn't want to see punky. Sure,sure, but I might have called or said Henry Warnamont. I get everyone them on on the horn please. Yeah, yeah, where's comet?Is comment running around in the in the farm with the with Bunga Bu?Yeah, but we've had kind of a lot of kind of some dark topicstoday, but I feel like overall it's it's it's just showing that we canbe affected by so many different things. It's not necessarily bad. It's likewe, you know, we whether it's bad dreams or having a good dreamin waking up to a shitty period in your life, it's all, oror being affected by an artist in their death. It's just it really justkind of shows you the beauty of life and that like to be able tobe touched and and feel some real feelings. Man, I know personally as someonewho numbed my feelings for years with drugs and didn't want to be didn'twant to feel shit, it's like it does kind of feel good to beaffected by things like this, whether it's Yetta, you know, and andit's rough, you know. Yeah, when you're going through it sometimes,yeah, I can I can hear your hesitation. But but but to justkind of put a cap on this thing, man, I just I feel likeif someone can affect your life in that way or you can feel thosekind of feeling, I don't know as, like I said, as an xaddict or whatever, and I get you. I feel like I getyou. It's powerful, dude, it is. It is powerful. Iunderstand what you're coming from because I also numb myself with alcohol for so funand long. Yeah, just to like, you know, forget how shitty lifewas or whatever. But now I cry at like the ending of Paddington, totally exactly, and I'm a forty year old man and cheering up,you know, watching a movie with my kid or or like the stupidest shit. I fucking cry over now and I'm like, am I even do Ieven have bles? What's going on here? I don't even know. But isthat a good thing or a bad thing? Well, I have it'sall in perspective. But I want to I want to end this on ahappy thing. You know, I'm not...

...trying to rush things, but I'mI definitely have to get moving soon, so I wanted to see first beforeyou go, this is the most depressing episode of selling outever. You wantto say that basic and to lift things up. What do you get tocheer us up here, Buddy? Um, I don't know. I want torainbows and Nice cream and N acorn Fars. Well, I'm to bepositive. I'm playing a show tomorrow with some friends. That'll be good andI don't know. I appreciate the listeners and definitely happy about our new sponsor, the hemp bombs and their CBD magic. I'm yes, that's a positive thingto talk about, and so I'll leave it to you, Dave.You're you're the type of dude that likes to wrap these up, so I'lllet you say. I will wrap it up by telling everybody virtual hugs forall of you. We appreciate you listening. We thank you for it because withoutyou guys, we don't have a show. We're just a couple guyscrying at stupid movies in the death of celebrities. So anyway, thanks againfor all of that. I am Dave. That is nate, and this hasbeen selling out. He in burmary media. Girl Scout Cookie inspired flavorsare now at Duncan. When the spirit of the girl Scouts Meets Duncan Coffee, it's easy to get a delicious cup of can do then. Mince andcoconut caramel flavors are here to help you tackle your day. Grab a mediumLotte or Cappuccino for two dollars from two to six PM and take on whateverlies ahead. America runs on Duncan. The Girls Scouts name trade mark andalso seeded trademarks and logo types, including the thin mince marker owned by girlscouts of the US a limited time off. Participation may vary. Exclusions apply.Four bills, three bills, two bills, one. At first CommonwealthBank, we make it simple to consolidate your bills into one easy payment witha home equity line of credit at a special one point nine percent Apr.Find out more in person or at FC Bankingcom. One point nine percent introductoryAPR for six months. That Adju to a variable rate based in Wall StreetJournal primary plus or minus a margin with a mini memory to four point fournine percent and a maximum ry of eighteen percent. Offer subject to change orwithdrawal at any time. Called one hundred seven. One, one, two, two, six, five for details about credit costs and terns. Equalhousing lender member FDIC.

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