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Episode 10 · 4 years ago

Ep.#10 Prison Pt.2

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Prison. The topic so nice Selling Out got locked up twice! This time around you'll hear some shocking statistics, learn a little about the underground contraband trade and discover a not so appealing alternative for when you just can't find a smoke. The Sound Off delves into prison nicknames and Nate goes a little nuts in solitary confinement. Tune in and get a legit account of life on the inside.

2:35- Some alarming statistics
20:30- Tales from the contraband marketplace
22:00- How bad do you need a smoke?
27:25- Nate, jailhouse entrepreneur
39:10- Where there's a will, there are opiates
42:20- Nielsen ratings in the joint
50:20- Hands on activities to kill time
54:03- A discussion on dreams
1:00:25- Sound Off
1:11:30- Nate's Notes

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...a quarter. You said a quarter of the world's prison population is in America. Now that's that's there's something wrong there, man. I mean, like I said, there are, there have to be, criminals and other countries that you know. That my God, and I know. Well, there's apparently nobody's getting arrested in Guamh yeah, yeah, or something, because, yeah, that is quite a statistic. Is really up there, you know. And with the first one that I read, and we talked about how many facilities span the country and the territories, right, you got to fill them up, you know. It's like is there a mandate out there or something that says, Hey, you know, we're gonna we got to pack the halls here. I know, man, I know. It's it's terrifying. I hear all these stats and it's frustrating. It just seems like it seems so obvious that it's less about keeping the society safe and more about lining the pockets of these politicians and prison owners, these private prison all right, well, I'm going to get into that and a little bit and I'm here to frustrate you even more, my friend, awesome. The next one is only twenty three percent of a release prisoners stay out of prison, with forty three percent going back within the first year of release. So where's it was a rehabilitation there exactly? I mean, first of all, that's a sign that it's less about, like you said, less about rehabilitation. RECIDIVISM is is expected and almost necessary to keep this whole prison industrial complex going. I I always say like, once you're in the system, it's hard to get out. And when you see a young especially nowadays. You mentioned juvenile centers briefly in one of the previous stats. Now, when someone's young, this this is what really drives me crazy. Someone say they get in trouble for, you know, they're at a party in the cops break it up. When we were kids, yeah, the cops might let you go and just say hey, you know, stop being a knuckle head, get home whatever. Occasionally people were locked up or whatever. But the problem is kids get put on probation when they're, you know, seventeen, juvenile probation, whatever it is, and kids are going to be kids, man, kids are gonna Party. It just seems like a setup. You put somebody on a drug testing or whatever sort of program where they're on probation, they have to report, they have to, yeah, Piss in a cup regularly. It's kind of a setup for a lot of kids. I mean, I know that we're all responsible for our own actions and maybe if you can't stop there's a deeper issue than you know, then there might be something deeper at play. Right. Yeah, absolutely. It's still the point that, dude, kids are going to party, kids are gone to rebel, and sometimes people don't get their act together until after college, you know, like someone's in college are going to be partying and shit too. So so when you put someone on probation, they screw up, they get reprobated, which extends their probation for longer or whatever like. Because because when you're on probation and you mess up, they you know, they may lock you up, they may extend your probation longer. So you're being drug tested for even longer, whatever it is. A lot of kids get looped into the cycle and next thing you know they're they're no longer minors and now they're the consequences are more real, more dire in there. You know, on adult probation they get locked up. First of all, there's a lot of maybe post release monitoring, where either you're on parole or you have probation when you get out. So even though you're out of Jill, you still have to keep your nose clean and listen that and and people are going to say anything likes it. Well, I think they gonna say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. That that that right. That's what you'd see on face value with this thing. And I know you were saying a lot about the kids. Yeah, but for me, just reading the statistic, first thing that POPs into my mind would be more about poverty. Maybe. Or okay, know, your economic status when you might have to you come, you come out of prison, maybe you don't have a job and I understand your inprobation whatever, but you still need to eat. Yeah, or I don't know. You know, yeah, this is this is a big issue too. Yet like that definitely brings up some thoughts. Man Like you get out of jail and a you aren't used to living in society. It's hard to work your way back into a regular schedule when you've been told when to shit, when to eat, when to go to bed all this. But second of all, there's no programs really in jail to teach you, which maybe there should be, how to live a normal life. I mean there's limited programs where they help you get health insurance or maybe they can help you get a ged while you're in there, these programs and in jail, but for the most part there's no like here. This is how you apply for a job, this is how maybe you go to an interview and do well. This is how you...

...write a resume, this is how you behave in public, this is you know what I mean? There's there should be some life skills that to so many people come easily. But I don't know, man, like I know for myself, after so long of living a certain way and getting locked up and getting out and doing the same shit like a eventually it's it's hard, even when you're trying to do the right thing, man. So obviously hear you. I mean not to interrupt you here, but I kind of hear you saying too about the kids. I mean I bet you have a lot of them and I don't have the numbers in front of me. would be drug related, like you said, you kissing a cop and as Shit, you smoked the Jibba last night, right, and now you fucked you you know, I think that could weigh heavily into it, because forty three percent is pretty alarming, and in the first year. So that's like hey, man, you're out and then, ZIP, Zip, there you go right back in. Yes, that's a tough one. Yeah, man, like I know you had said. You know, we had talked about addiction in the past and and we're you know, but they're so intertwined that you can't really talk about prison without getting at least somewhat into addiction drugs. But you know, we'll do our best. Well, here, I'm glad you brought that up, because the next one deals with that directly. We're drug offences make up roughly forty six percent of all sentences, compared to homicides, which are at three point two percent. That's up there. MMM, that is up there, man. I mean, you know, and I don't like comparing, you know, it's not like apples to oranges. Here we're talking about drug offences compared to murdering somebody, which is fucking God awful, right, but still, that's that's a high rate just for narcotics. I mean again, we can't say are they in there for having kilos of something? Right there, for carring? Some states now have, you know, lower the threshold on I can be accountable for or rested for right even then. You know, that's these numbers are they keep making my eyes pop. Out, MMM, because we're doing a forty percentiles on something you like. WHOA, yeah, that's our high numbers man. But did you did you know, speaking of like the differences between drugs and amounts and things, did you know that until Obama when into office and change things, there was this huge discrepancy in the laws between powdered cocaine, getting caught with powdered cocaine and being caught with rock cocaine like crack, and so Obama finally kind of change things to make them a little more fair. But until he did that, if you got caught with, say, an ounce of powder cocaine, you know, your sentence was whatever it was. If you got cut with an ounce of rock cocaine, the sentence was roughly ten times. It was like a ten to one ratio between rock cocaine and and yes, the the effects of smoking rock cocaine can be a lot more intense than sniffing cocaine. But if you look at the weight of these drugs, like when you have a rock cocaine, it's it's cut with like different additives, like, you know, Baking Soda, whatever, to to increase the size of it. So most of what you've got isn't even cocaine. Like there's actually less drug material in the the rock cocaine then there is in the powder cocaine. But because the rock cocaine epidemic was so great in the S, it became this huge inner city plague and it was, you know, there's questions of racial motivations and whatnot, because it was specifically targeting the black neighborhoods in the you know, the inner cities and what righting es. So why was it so at a whack? You think of the powder cocaine user, it was usually some rich dude on a yacht, you know, or a rock star. They were being charged ten times less severely than someone with the same amount of rock cocaine. But luckily, like I said, Obama came in and kind of change things. I don't know specifically what what it's like now, but I think it's a lot more fair from what I understand. So now fad and is Yat rock or taking it down to cell block JEA powder. Yeah, I believe. You know, I believe it was a racially motivated thing as well. Sure, they considered her the opioid crisis a crisis, a health issue, A. It's not so much a criminal scourge, it's a health epidemic where these because it's a lot of white kids in Nice neighborhoods doing oxies and what not. The the image is totally different, you know. So that's strange. We have a long way to go with that Shit. But yeah, again, stacy wasn't in the back of her beamer smoking cracks use popping oxi's right, right, exactly. Stacy and fat there's are my two characters. Now I've just invented in my mind for elitist White America. Wow, man, you know it's funny, though. I knew a bad at in jail who was a big, tall black dude. So you, there goes your shit. But an imagination. She'll wander, my friend shall wander.

And the last piece of information I have for you is Louisiana. Let's go down south. Maybe let's not what this is. I don't want to go to Louisiana. No, no offense. Are Lazy and true and actually know what you might have something there, because in Louisiana, one in eighty six adults is currently in prison. Fifty three percent are housed in private, for profit prisons. HMM, with minorities. One in four adults is serving a prison sentence, with one in seven currently in prison, out on probation or on parole. Louisiana, notoriously, is has tough penalties on even small offenses. Hmm, I have never been in prison. I've never been an advocate for anything against the prison system. It's never really touched my life other than having a friend in prison. You yeah, but this, this actually made me a little bit angry because I am I am against this whole privatization of prisons. I don't want to see Stacy's Dad, you know, putting money in his pockets by locking up young African American males, which seems to be happening here in Louisiana. Yeah, dude, it's it's pretty ridiculous. I mean some of those deep South States, I hate to generalize, but but there's a reason they have that, you know, hard nosed stereotype of like, you know, the tough prison you want to get locked up in the south. Man. I don't know if that's a common conception of the prisons down there, but I know being in jail up here, you hear stories of people like Google. You don't want to go get locked up down South, man, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, that whole area. I mean they they talked about how notoriously fucked up it is down there. Man. And Yeah, so it. I'm not surprised, but let's what's the phrase? Shocked, but not surprised. You know that? Yeah, it's shocking stats, but doesn't really surprise me. Well, I mean that opens up another can of worms, you know. And that's the thing is, should prisons be private? Should they be operated like corporations, or should they be, you know, government operating facilities? I mean, all the evidence I have seen personally thus far, they should not be privatized. It right it to me. It's just a greed thing, a big, big money grab, and it's sickening and it should infuriate more people, I think. I don't know why there's no fighting the system on that one. You know, we definitely, yeah, be rebelling against that or at least investigating that further. As far as corruption and other things, and I know this is the United States. It's not, for example, Mexico, where, you know, everything is corrupt, with the government basically, and so we kind of take things at face value. And think, well, people do have our best interest at heart, but if you truly believe that, you're a fucking moron, doesn't matter on the laundry you hang from a pole. You may love America, I love America too, but you know what, they're still people out there to fuck you over and stick the hands and new pockets. So yeah, and one the interesting thing I just want to add in there. This isn't a fact or anything directly related, but out of curiosity, when I was doing my research, I want to see what the immigration incarceration rate was. Sure, so I actually went on justice DOT gove to try to get some statistics. fucking forget about it. And then the reason why I say this to you is when you first open the page, is like a thing from trump, like a statement from trump. Then the numbers follow and anything that comes out of that guy's mouth, to me, and I'm not trying to get overly political here, is absolute not a bullshit, and I don't I can't believe it. Yeah, so I just close it out and like yeah, I'll have to look at statistics from like three years ago or something. You know what? This guy, he has this whole thing about building the wall and everything else. I'm like, of course the numbers can be fudged in fixed to make it seem like it's worse than it really is. I mean, in all honesty, they could be true. Yeah, I'm just I'm just stating my opinion here, that is all. And feel free if you want to look at those numbers again, justice that dot gove and check them out for yourself. But I'm not going to give you those numbers here today. But what I would like to do is get more into your experience in prison. Sure, I know you mentioned last time you had a lot more stories to tell and yeah, all right, shows over, and I'm just not proud, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah, it's fun to talk about it, but but it's like every time it's like, Oh, you've got some stories about it's like all I hear is you were a shady piece of shit back and I know that's not where you're saying right, but that's but it's just my embarrassment having become more of a hopefully productive member of society, or at least less harmful member of society. Like I'm a little more embarrassed of my past than you know, than I used to be so. Well, I'll tell you something, nate. Our last prison episode was actually pretty popular. We can feedback on that. People appreciated you being honest and talking about your experiences, and that's why...

...we know we discussed should we should we do it again? You know, should we possibly have another episode and expand on that further? And that's why we're here today and one of the appeals, I think, of our show compared to many other podcasts out there. Not to disparage anybody or say anything here bad, but we do like to be brutally honest and get people the straight. Don't yeah, so, I mean only with what you're comfortable with them not. Yeah, you know, but yeah, you do. You do you have any of the stories you like to tell or maybe share with with the listeners out there? Yeah, I mean there's a lot of things. I mean there's there's so many little little memories and little stories that you know that I all of a sudden will pop up because on a slee man it's it's just another part of life. Like I'm in there. You live a day to day life. You Get up, you you try to make it as normal of a life as possible. But but yeah, some things, when you look back at them in the future, you know, from a more comfortable, more free position, you're like wow, that's kind of fucked up. And I kind of wanted to. I figured maybe I'd talk a little bit about bringing things into jail. Like there's obviously this whole underground business model going on for smuggling, yes, contraband items and whatnot. And like do you hear stories? Back in the day of cigarettes, people used to trade cigarettes as use cigarettes as money? And what I'm and that hasn't been the case in prisons across the country in Jesus like twenty some odd years now. It's been a long time since smoking was allowed. So you'll see US tobacco coming in. It's a hot item. It's it's as probably as hot of an item as wanted as drugs and whatnot. And I wanted to bring up, first of all, some disgusting habit that people have in jail. There was all right, so I was, say a tear worker, like a guy who they call it maybe a trusty, someone who was a worker that would clean, clean the floors in the block and and do little chores, you know, maybe hand out the meals and whatnot, but as as a payment for it, you didn't get money or anything. You just got a little extra time out on the block while everyone else was locked in. I'd have a little more freedom. I'd be able to sit out and watch TV alone on the on the tier and whatnot. So one day a person came up to me and was like, you know, hey, are you going to be emptying the trash later and I'm like yeah, I guess so, and he goes hey, well, CEO so and so, like the guard, you know, choose tobacco, which they're not supposed to do as guards. You know, it's not supposed to be any tobacco products on the property at all, but a lot of CEO's will chew tobacco and they carry on a Little Cup. Some of them to sunflower seeds, so it's hard to tell if the CEO's chewing tobacco or sunflower seeds. So their bosses don't necessarily catch them all the time. Right, okay. So, so anyway, the point is the these other inmates would be like hey, nate, you know if you're if you're emptying in the trash, look for the little styre Foam Cup that so andso through in the trash that this guard through in the trash. Oh No, yeah, it's his spit from the tobacco because a common item for that people will sell in there because you can't get regular tobacco. Yeah, you'll dry out the spit from at the bottom of that cup and whatever tobacco bits are in there people will roll up as a cigarette and smoke. And Dude, I mean I'm a smoker, I I have been for decades at this point, but when I'm in jail man, I just don't do it. I just don't. I don't really need it. I don't really notice it usually because I'm kicking harder things to kick. So by the time I'm done kicking opiates or whatever, I don't even notice that I haven't had a cigarette in weeks. And while I'm kicking the drugs I don't really crave a cigarette because it's just, I don't know, they taste gross when you're when you're withdrawing and when a point is the point is I don't care that much about tobacco to go to that lengthen and smoke someone else's spit up tobacco, man, but people do that. They call him spit sticks or dipsticks, and they'll roll them up like a regular cigarette. I've personally never done you know, never smoked them. People tell me that they're, I guess, not quite as strong, because I imagine most of the nicotine or whatever has been sucked out of them while the people's are chewing the tobacco, you know what I mean? Like well, yeah, you know, this is this is the waste at the end of a Choo, you know, chewing tobacco session or whatever. So, but did I? I had a roommate that would do it, because I refused. I was like, Dude, I'm not fishing through someone's spit. I'm sorry, and people are getting mad at me. They're like, Dude, you could, dud, you can make money. People will buy those and Rember, I'm like that's still the amount of money that I would make. You might sell...

...one of those, Sir Dude, a cigarette pert like a cigarette of real tobacco, like a tiny little rollie that people do and can be sold for like five dollars eight piece in there, and that's yeah, and that's pretty in their tiny bro I'm talking like a like a pinner, you know. And so these these spit sticks people would sell for two or three bucks because it's not quite the quality of real yeah, but I'm like, dude, I'm not going to go through all that shit for like three, three bucks a piece. And but my roommate was doing it. He's like all right, so I watched him do it and they would like yeah, I pour out the spit onto a pay whatever. It's not important, it's just it's. The point is it's gross and I never stooped to that low, which is surprising because I've stooped to a lot of lows in my life. But but anyway. So, so there's this underground market for all these things like I mentioned. And obviously when when real drugs do come in, it's, you know, a hot commodity. Real tobacco comes in, this and that. And obviously when you get into the lower security areas, like most prisons or jails have a pre release or work release unit where you're actually able to leave the facility, go to a job, you come home, you know they search you, but if it's a cool cop on he may let you come through with the pack of smokes or whatever. It does happen. And then, of course, and then of course some people get things in other ways, you know, not to get to graphic. But yeah, imagination. Yeah, exactly, so Gotcha. Yeah, but down in the regular, medium or maximum security levels of the prisons and jails it's really hard to get it. So when stuff comes in, man, it's it's definitely big news. Everyone finds out about it because it happened so infrequently. Man, like. So I hate, you know, I don't want to hijack this thing, but go for I mean, I'm you did kind of come out of the gate with the grossest story I've hearten a log guy. We're leading into this and this is the the the meat and potato is here. A lot of people want to know. How do you get contrabanded prison? What's the process behind that out? Does it work? So sure, carry on. Yeah, man. So, like over the years they crack down more and more on like the screening processes for inmates getting into jail and like when you first get there, and at least in the facilities I've been in, like nowadays it's virtually impossible to get anything into like Worcester County jail, for example, and at some point, I guess, that facility invested in an x ray machine, so you people can't even bring stuff in in nature's pocket. If you will, they they can see right inside you. But back in the day it was easier. In fact, the last time I went in it was before they put that x ray machine in, obviously, but I was able to get something in and usually to usually I'm not prepared to go to jail, like if I'm getting arrested, I've got no bail, like I'm being arrested doing something stupid, buying drugs or whatever it is. I'm on the street, they lock me up and I have warrants because I've usually skipped a court date somewhere in the past and there and so, even though most people can get out before they get sentenced in like fight court from the outside, I get held without bail because I have a habit of not going to court when I'm scheduled because I was, I'm was an addict and I you know, I'm not going to willingly go to jail and say hey, lock me up. You know I know I'm getting I know I'm going to do a sentence when I go to court. So it's I don't know. So I would often skip. So wait you just trying to put off the inevitable. Yeah, I mean ordinarily, what I'm saying is, yeah, I usually if I get arrested on the street and they make the mistake of letting me fight it from the streets, I would inevitably not go to court one morning because I'm yeah, I'm an addict. It's hard to break up that cycle. Whatever I've just I'm just bad. I was always bad at going to court. I was always bad at probation. You know, I was really irresponsible person. So usually when I go to court it's from the jail already, like I'm fighting it from jail, like after after a court date, they bring me back to jail and so I don't have an opportunity, like I don't know I'm going, so I don't prepare and bring something in with me. But the last time I went I was somewhat responsible. I had had, you know, I had been arrested and actually was going to court, so I knew I was going in. I knew that on this date I was surrendering to get to go to jail, and I willingly did that and, having time to prepare, I had brought in and some suboxan's which you know are to help you kick opiates. Usually the heroinet expends your first week's miserable in jail, sick, not sleeping. But I had managed to bring in enough box and to help me through the worst of it. I also had brought a bunch of tobacco and like less than like an eighth of weed, and we'd really helps in there, like we'd really...

...makes you forget where you are for a little while and it's that's like the one thing I will go out of my way to buy if I'm already locked up and someone comes in with some weed, like everything else is a waste of money. If someone comes in, someone comes in with heroin, they're cutting it with tons of like coffee creamer or whatever to make it, to stretch it out so they get more money for it, and it's way over price. It's not worth it at all. So, but, but pot is something I will usually buy because you know it's it's worth it. But anyway, that's a trick, yeah, man, and it's hard to cut it without somebody noticing. You know, if you're buying pot, you're not buying like you know, nobody's you know what I mean. It's you can see that it's pot you you know. But Anyway, I had brought in this little package and I was nervous and because you know, it's a small world in there, and with someone comes in with Shit, as I mentioned, that person becomes very popular right away. Every worse. Yeah, everyone wants some of what you got. You can make a lot of money, but you can also get jumped, you can get robbed and get stabbed whatever. So you have to navigate those waters like real carefully. If you come in and you're new, usually someone will come up to you and just ask you know, hey, you got anything and in Dude, if you say yes, then you get a bunch of unwanted attention. Everyone is coming up to your door and, you know, at your cell and like Hey, Hey, let me get some what you gun Bubba buns. You just want to be you want to lay low for a while. If you say no and then it's discovered that you lied and you did have something, then there's even more unwanted attention and usually it's yeah, it's worse than if you had just said yes. And Anyway, if you're going to try to sell shit on the block, you have to learn the politics of the place you're in, like which gang runs the block, meaning which gang happens to have the most members on the unit. Like if the Latin kings run the block, you're supposed to hit them off with a bit of whatever you brought in they call attacks. And then and then there's the race thing, like if you're a white guy like me, and then then the white guys that you know represent the white sort of gang element in there, they expect to be hit off to even if they're not the gang that runs the block, just because you're the same race. And it's may not be as imperative as hitting off the presiding gang, like the Latin kings, for example, but if you don't do it, if you don't hit off the white guys, you're kind of seen by your race as a piece of shit. You're not a solid white dude. You you may get jumped or stabbed or whatever by your own race or you just might be shunned by them. You know, it's just an expected thing. So right, right. So, anyway, I walk on the block, I've got some Boxans, got pot, I've got some tobacco, and somebody comes up to me. I don't know who's who, I don't know what's what in this guy's like, you know, hey, do you have anything? And I figured I just admit to yeah, I got I got a few smokes, I got a few I got some tobacco, just because that way I'm not lying. But you know, it's weed as a lot more, you know what I mean, like usually somebody's not going to stab you for some cigarettes. So I figured H and at least, you know, admit to that. But Dude, just admitting to that. It's like that was as I walked in the block. Then they tell me you're going to such and such cell. I go to that cell, unpacking my shit, I meet my cell mate. Dude, everyone is up at my door like I've got a million people, which looks really bad, like the CEO's are up in the booth like looking at a looking out at the tear and they see me, who just came on this block? And fucking line of people coming up, like Yo, what are you gout you? I heard Jim. Sure that's Yo who? And like I'm like, you guys are more unsle. How are you running the block? Like how are you guys? Like you're just making it so hot, you know, you're making it so obvious. But luckily, like I said, I'll head so I'm sorry to laugh. I'm sorry, no laughing for me. I just have like this mental image of you being like the you know, the dated reference, or being like the wool earth or something. Oh my God, you know everybody's who you know. And that's the thing. Like you said, it seems insane like you're yeah, all this unwanted attention right the same time, these guys are just desperate for Shit. They just want their stuff so bad to maybe they think they can get it from you right, and that's just exacting. Wow. So, mind you, I hadn't even unpacked, I hadn't even like made my bed, I haven't done anything. So I wasn't like giving these people to bacco. They were just all asking. They were just like Yo, Yo, I heard you have to back up, Yo, you hit me off, you'll send me some in this cell. You'll do this and it. And fortunately my cell mate who I was put in with, was this kid who he wasn't part of the presiding gang. Like I forget who was the big gang on the block. Might have been the the outlaws or the vice lords or whatever it was. Worth the gang that ran the block. This kid was a blood and he he at least knew who was who and who I had to hit off and this...

...and that, and I made kind of a deal with my roommate, who turned out to be a really good dude and he was at least like look, I told him, I'll smoke with you, I'll do this and that with you, but you know, as long as you handle hitting off everyone I need to hit off, you'll make out, believe me. You know we're cellmates. I'm gonna smoke what I got with you, I'm going to do this in that. Just just make sure I don't get killed. Basically, you know, I kind of right, kind of was able to have this relationship with my celly, that of trust and and it was fine. First of all, he showed me that when you are hitting these people off, like, say, I got to give the Latin kings or whoever was running the block, say, three or four cigarettes just for free. Make them fucking toothpick size. You know what I mean? Like I like, you, don't make sure you're not killing yourself. You you have to hit them off, but hit them off appropriately, where you're not screwing yourself out of Shit, and that way you still handled your responsibility. Anyway, once I had given out these cigarettes and whatever, I had sold some had made some money, and by now my roommate knows that I had told him that, look, not only do I have that, but I have a little pot that we can smoke at night when everyone's in bed for the night, like I'll do that with you for for navigating these you know, gang being my Abel to represent. Yes, exactly, he was my representative. And but the problem is, do the weed I had brought in was really, really stinky. So everyone that was smoking these cigarettes was like coming up to me like, dude, we know you have pot, and I'd be like Nah, Ma, and I don't know what you're talking about. They like the cigarettes that you brought in were obviously packaged with some really stinky pot, because they smell like pot. And so I tried to like, you know, I never admitted to anyone that I had the pot. I basically just smoked it with my roommate this and that still didn't get killed because I had at least hit off the people I needed to hit off. But but I was like, I'm not going to give up the pot, the pot I brought in for myself and to smoke with people that I, you know, wanted to to bless, you know, wanted to hit off and and so I think eventually I found out who was trustworthy and was able to sell a little bit of the plot too. But I started getting shit from the white dudes on the block like you know, hey, you didn't you know, I we heard you have tobacco and you hit off the vice lords or whatever, whoever was running the block. You know, where's ours? Where's ours? And I was able to add least give them, like I think I hit them off with a little bit of the pot because I realized I could trust them and I was like look, I don't have any of that tobacco left, but here, I'll do this for you, and settled that. But my point is, dude, if you had, if I had done that any other way or if I didn't know how to navigate that Shit, I could have got ended up stabbed. I could have, you know, I mean, you know, it's just it's very sketchy in there to do it. It's like you can make a lot of money, but you can also, yeah, the consequences could be pretty dire when when it came down to the Soboxans, I had used enough of them to kick my habit and still had a little left. And so my roommate had told me, like look, Dude, if you one of those eight milligrams of boxing's, if you break it up into eight pieces, like each one of those eight of a pill, you can sell for twenty do so one eight milligram pill. You can basically make a hundred and sixty dollars about of it. And so I had had like two left when I was done kicking and was able to make a good amount of money. And people pay it, of course, with you know canteen. Occasionally they'll get someone on the street to put the money on your books. Like you know someone, I give them a piece of sabox and once their girlfriend on the street has put money on my books and right it's gone through. But you were selling some box in flakes, yes, part healthy breakfast in prison. Yes, little chips, and I to me they were just enough to keep me from being sick like I didn't. I wasn't getting high off the Saboxans at the time. I was very I was just using them. So I wasn't dying as I was kicking the heroine or whatever, but these people, Dude, I would I would give someone an eighth of some box and and I'd run into them at lunch later and they'd be like nodding off. They looked all fucked up because, I mean, I never thought of some Boxan's like that at that point. You know, I had never realized that people actually get high off them, because I had I had always use them to kick relief. Yeah, but but man, they are a hot commodity in there. And and I don't know if you know this, but somebox and is sold in strips. They're kind of like listering breath strips. You know that that melt in your mouth? Sure, and but there orange and they contain the same as the pills, like the eight milligrams of some box. So I know that people would mail in, like say, someone one. This wasn't what I did, but...

...obviously I got mine in. However, I got mine in, but people would say get a letter in the mail and in the glue part of the envelope they would put a piece of that strip in there. So it wasn't even like like someone would open up the whole envelope, cut it open with the letter open, or search the whole envelope and not find anything. And meanwhile that little strip is like so flat you could put it in that glue section and just not lick that portion of the Glue Strip, you know. So you could hide things in there. You could hide things. You know it. Those boxins were where a real hot commodity and a real popular thing to get in there because it's crafty. Yeah, that's really crafty because, you know what, when you think about smuggling things into prison, most people the first image it comes in their their mind is like the cartoons where there's like a saw shape cake, yeah, or something. Yeah, man, dude, people used to before those boxins became real popular. I knew people that would smuggle in in a letter. They would get a letter sent to them and someone would take actual heroin, powdered heroin, and mix it in water. It would look like a stain on their letter, but it was actually liquid heroin. Drive into the less invention. It's insane. I mean things are yeah, it's gonna say. If you can apply your mind to something else, you know, it was like, Hey, I'm gonna make this fucking Dope, look like a coffee stain. So since person. Yeah, high in prison? Yeah, why, you got a mind like day, you can figure that shit out. You know, do something more productive with your day. But a yeah, different strokes, different folks. Right. I've heard that from so many people, like if these people could use their powers for good. You know what I'm saying? Like we be on my eyes. We live in yeah, and you know, another galaxy by now. Cheese, right, please. I know, man. I mean I realize I'm taking up a lot of time talking about this sort of thing. I mean there's so much. That's the thing, like we could talk so much about different things in there, like the just the ups and downs of being in there. I mean, I want to get to my neats note segment because this week I actually do bring up it's still related to prison. So I just wanted to say that if I've taken up too much time talking about this, like I do have more to discuss in a later segment, is all I'm saying. So, Hey, you know, this is a podcast. All we get to do is talk right now and brother, but you know, who knows, maybe we'll have prison part three for you know, right revenge. It'll be like the jaws franchise by the time that we're diamn yeah, man, so you know I can. I ask you a question, please. Do seem kind of stupid. Yeah, okay, but for me I'm curious about this. What do you think, in your experience, is like the most popular program watched in prison? HMM, what a prisoners love to watch on TV? Because, you know, as an outsider, you start thinking like maybe they really dig judge, Juda or something, you know. But seriously, like, well, what kind of shows would interest people? Because when you google it you up with a bunch of Weird Shit, right. I know some I read somewhere some guy just like watching tennis. He like watching Venus and Serena hop around grunting. Yeah, that doesn't surpend. Found that online. I'm like, I guess that makes sense, but when that sexually frustrated while you're in jail? But I mean, I know you'd mentioned to me in the past and private conversations you guys used to be able to have televisions and rooms and then Massachusetts took me and away. But what if people enjoy watching? Well, you Bein because they've taken away those those TV's in the individual cells. I mean you can still get them in some of the state facilities, most of the state facilities, but the county jails they're gone. So any TV you're watching is out on the tear like during the time that you're not locked in your cell. So you're watching a TV with a million people yelling behind you, like it's hard to hear the TV because it's it's in the same room that everyone's playing. Their cards are slam and dominos down on the table, playing dominoes or whatever. So it's hard to hear the TV. But I know that a popular one back when I was in there was like dancing with the I mean not dancing with the stars, the so you think you can dance occasionally dancing with the stars, which sounds silly right. Like I remember my roommate put it on the TV and everyone was bitch and like dude, what are you watching this this shit, this fucking whatever, and he's like, Dude, trust me watch it, and next thing you know everyone's like Damn, look at these chicks with the dancer bodies and all this, and it's the same thing as that so red Williams thing you're talking about it's like. But yeah, you honestly, the guys don't see a lot of women, you know, in there and that, and so seeing that is, you know, it's a pleasant sight. I mean. And it's weird because sometimes people will have visits come in their girlfriends come to visit them in their girlfriends dress, you know, nice to talkative, maybe right, and other people can't help like not myself. I've I try to make sure it's not like I'm looking at other I'm not that type of dude anyway. I don't usually look at someone else's girl. But but other people. I've seen people get beat up because...

...they were looking too long at someone's girlfriend in the visiting room and it's just like, dude, I don't know, you know, they it's it's understandable. It's disrespectful, but these dudes don't see women very often. It's like they'll be like a female CEO that really isn't goodlooking, you know, or anything like esthetically pleasing. Yeah, but just because they're a woman, it's like they'll be guys trying to hook up with her, which does happen. You know, the female CEO's do sleep with guys. I mean, I have another story. I could tell it another time, about a nurse who was bringing shit in for a friend of mine, and that's a whole other thing. But but, dude, yeah, it's well, nay, you know what they say. You don't have to be the prettiest girl in the bar, you just have to be the only girl. Yeah, man, you know. Yeah, no, it's true. It's weird. Yeah. So TV, though, like, yeah, so those dancing shows, people, people during the day will watch their limited channels. This all you got cable in there, Bro you know, it's like right, they have like network tv, and so people are watching the news, people are watching fucking Maury povitch and all that. Jesus Christ man. I mean I don't even know how many of these shows are still on. It's been like over five years, you know, almost ten years since I've been in, and the last time I was in, yeah, I was like people were watching yet maury prices right during they all those network shitty shows. Nothing wrong with the prices, right man. Not That I love them. I've been watching that sins how was a little kid, you know. I'm tell me, that's in prison. That kind of like alleviates my fear a little bit. I'm like, well, at least I can watch drew carry and yeah, some you know, surprising games. That makes me feel a little bit better about being locked up. Sure, man, yeah, I have. I have no problem with that. I remember when we had TV's in the cells, like I was. I was never someone who would spend the money on first of all, I didn't. I was relying on the generosity of friends and family, like I I was getting locked up as a junkie, a homeless junkie. I didn't go in with cash usually. So if someone was putting money on my books, I was so grateful and I would not spend the amount of money. Like they would sell these little thirteen inch TV's that were awful, like and again network TV. They take the speaker out of them before you, I am so you have to use headphones. They're just these, these awful, Shitty TV's, and they would charge something like three hundred and forty for him at one point, or it was like two hundred eighty when I first started going, and then it went up to three hundred, like dude, for a little fucking TV. Like. I swear to God, over three hundred for a TV, and people would pay it because they're liked, and I I understand if you have the money, that shit makes your time fly. Dude. You know for a fact that you can kill hours upon hours just watching mindless shit and if you've got become a days of our lives aficionado really quick right. Hell, yeah, dude, every net. So anyway, I wouldn't spend the money on it, but I remember the first time I got a roommate who had a TV, because that's another way you can end up with a TV. You don't have to buy one yourself if you end up having a roommate that's got the money for one, like I had never had that happened before, and suddenly I was in a cell and I'm like, yeah, he's got a TV, and I don't know we've if we've mentioned but I've never been a sports guy. I know you're big in sports, but like, Yep, for me, one of the things that would drive me nuts in jail was like march, like March madness in jail. Everyone is hijacking the the TV in the day room, like the main TV, and just watching fucking people run back and forth on a car all day, like and not even national. You know, it's College. It's fucking and to me that's like, I don't know, like I have a hard time watching the celtics from, you know, being from Boston area, never mind watching some fucking Louisiana fucking college team. Like to me, that's just seemed anyway. The point is it's torture for someone who doesn't like sports. It's torture in there. But I had this roommate who had a TV and the first thing he said to me is, Dude, you can, we can watch whatever, we can talk about. You know, it's not I'm not going to hijack my own TV. You have a say, being my roommate. I will say no fucking sports. And I was like yes, this guy is my hero. And so we would watch every night. They would have a like seven and out eleven they'd have the hour of like simpsons and signfelds. We'd watch that every night. We'd Watch, yeah, whatever. We had our schedule down and it really did kill the day. Dude, between going to meals, playing cards out on the tier and when you're in your cell, you'd have your schedule of what shows you would watch and Dude, those days just flew by. You know, my memory, and this is totally off topic, but my memory of like network tv in the way things used to be, HMM, was when I was a teenager and I didn't know what time it was. I could peer...

...into somebody's window. Yeah, they're living room, and if I saw what was on TV, I knew roughly what time it was and if it was time to go home or not. Yep, so like, oh, look as the fresh prince of Bel Air. Well, thirty bet, I given, but home before my mom gets pissed, you know. Yeah, man, those days are true. Yeah, those days are long gone now that everything's on demand and everything else. But but yeah, totally. Well, dancing with the stars, or so you think you can dance all that. I've never watched either of them, to be honest with you. So they kind of, you know, blur up to me. Whatever. It's bunch of people fucking shaking their tail feathers there. Yeah, I can see the appeal. I totally can. I bet you there's a lot of krusty socks down in the laundry room, Yick. Yeah, well, you got to be gross with the spit sticks, and I could tell. Oh, man, talk about this bunch of prisoners you know, whacking off to good whatever the hell's on those shows. I know they do like celebrities or whatever, but shit, yeah, yeah, there's a that's just something to do to kill time. Honestly, it's not even like you know, it's just another thing to do in there. WHAT'S MASTURBATE? Yes, popular recreation man. You know, it's just there's only so much you can do. It. Like, I'll bring up solitary confinement a little later. And you know this. Not much else to do. And there honestly, let me into another question you mentioned before. In our in episode five, you get a shit sheet to protect you from when you're you know, when you're uose in the bathroom from prying eyes. Right, what do you do in this case? I mean you can't really hold a sheet of do you clip something up? But you just go to town with spanky and the ink. It's I mean it depends if, if the doors are open and everyone's out on the tier and playing their cards, are doing whatever you can. Yeah, go back to your cell and hang the shit sheet on your doors so people know not to look in and they just don't know if you're shitting or what. You know, you just kind of do it. There's other I don't know. They you don't. You try. I mean hopefully you've got the self control where you don't do it while you're in the cell with your with your Bunky, but so people probably don't. I'll tell you. You know, you never know. Yeah, I knew another. I it's interesting, though, because I knew a story about a guy who started complaining like he I would play cards with him and he would tell me that he would wake up in the middle of the night and hear his roommate masturbating, you know, and it's just, you know, he's like, you know, I'm trying not to get mad at him because you know he thinks I'm sleeping. He's trying to be somewhat polite, but he's like it's starting to get it's starting to gross me out. He's doing it earlier and earlier and this that you know, they ended up fighting over it, like that's an awkward fight to him, and you know it's it's one thing, like the shit sheets I mentioned, people fighting over like shitting in the cell with someone else and whatever and not doing courtesy flush and but dude, that's a weird one. You know, stop touching yourself around me, you know, so like it's willing to fight over that. Yeah, yeah, well, Hey, I mean it's if it has to, has to come to Dukes. But then you hopefully he's got soft hands. Yeah, if he comes at you, because he's been, you know, tender rising it. He said. You know what, well, it's funny you say that, because the guy that was angry about it, that fought him, was a bigger guy. So he eventually bang them out. Then he he was in Schoo Hall and the the Masturbator was a smaller guy, like I said, and you mentioned his soft hands. Well, he didn't even use them. He took a sock and put his back. Then they would have shaven cream, actual shaving cream cans. Put it in the sock and came at him with it and swung it like a mace, like, you know, instead of using soap in a sock, like in fucking you know, he used people use batteries put them in socks. Yeah, all kinds of shit and it's just you see some weapons in there. Man, you just said a mace. Something I like about. You know, whatever is soult I masturbation, I don't know, but yeah, yeah, I guess talk about getting medieval and medieval onto somebody's ass. Well, name. So far we've talked about smuggling, television and masturbation. Can I saw you said the personal about me, though. Yeah, man, I'm just telling you. No one else is invited. Yes, conversation. Yeah, so everybody else, you know, cut your ears or whatever. Your secret safe with me. Thank you. Thank you. In the rest of the free world that listens to this show. But one of the recurring nightmares I've had over the course of my life, since I was a teenager. This might sound disturbing to some people, but hey, that's what I'm here to do, is disturb you. It is. I would dream that I had murdered somebody, I killed them and I stashed the body, okay, and I was about to get caught and I had to either move the evidence or try to cover up the evidence or even then just an Oh fuck, there is nothing else I can do. I'm going to jail. MMM. And this is plagued me for a long time. Just a couple weeks ago I had this dream, yeah, where it was a you...

...know that that guy. I don't know. The actor's name was mclovin. Oh, yeah, yeah, super backass, yeah, using kick ass. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Thank you. He was the guy in my dream. I had him in like a this is very, very comic, bookie, but there's an mince class, Christopher mince plass. There you go. See that brain cells are in high geared today, baby. Yeah, but he was in like some weird like Mr freeze cryogenic state. It wasn't like a Fraser that you keep your nuggets in or something. So my dreams are fairly elaborate here, and I was like, Oh fuck, I got to move them, I got to get him out of here. And I mean I even had this dream one time, but one of our roommates, twenty years ago, where I hit him underneath my bed and as I'm gonna get caught, and I feel like I'm rambling a little bit here, but but the end game was all fuck, I'm going to jail, I'm screwed. MMM, did nightmares are weird and can I can I tell you a variation on that theme? You have my shot. And if anybody out there this listening, that shouldn't be listening, because I said this was between me and neate. Right. If you're like a dream analyst, I don't know if it's like a certain name for those kind of people. Oh, you know, people have the dream books. Yeah, feel free to write us or anything like that. You can get us on Gmail, right, selling out show at GMAILCOM or on twitter. Selling out show on twitter, and tell me how damaged I truly am right. What is it look like? Look up frozen Christopher mince class in freezer. It does. He does are awesome, you know, and maybe that'll tell you. Is a whole chapter dedicated to that bad boy. It probably means that you're gonna end up with foot fungus or something. Yeah, I could be or I just yeah about shaving can in a sock. But say, I won't go on, but I want to hear your dream. Tell me about your dream. Yes, so your dream was the paranoia and fear of getting locked up or going to jail for this thing you've done. My dream, I would have this recurring dream when I was in jail or prison. Where I was, I found myself have in the outside of the fence of the jail. I had just escaped. I was I was I had managed to get out, but I knew that I was fucked and usually the sentences I would be doing were no more than like two years. I'm not doing like twenty fucking years. I'm not doing life. So for me to escape was really kind of silly. And I'm in the dream. I would know that. I'd be like what am I doing? Why am I out here? I've just I fucked myself because now I'm going to get extra time from for escaping. And, Dude, do you realize I would wake up in my jail cell and be so grateful to be in jail. It was the weirdest thing to like be like wake up from a nightmare and be like you think, God, I'm in jail. Yeah, and but go figure. Well, no, I mean, I understand. I think I mentioned you. There's like a swamp thing episode about this. We're like these prisoners escape jail and they're like, Oh fuck now we're even double little screwed because we committed this crime or we're outside, our time is going to be, you know, extended, and all turned out to be a nightmare or whatever. So, yeah, I could see that, because you don't want to face anymore penalties, you don't want to punishment, you don't want to be in there any longer than you physically have to be there exactly. So I can totally see that being a terrible dream to have. MMMA. All Right, man, we tackled a lot of stuff this time out, and again it seems like there's more to come. It's do this. Yeah, we might have a spaces out a little bit, but yeah, totally so. But right now let's take a quick break. Here's some promos. This for some other pause that you should definitely be checking out on the infirmary media network. And when we return, I might do a little bit of a selling out sound off. Great video stores maybe all gone, but video rangers podcast still for business. Video Rangers podcast is a member of infirmary media and you can join US each week as we discuss only the finest rentals movies like no retreat, no surrender, teen wolf to Poli, Scademy for citizens on patrol, the heavenly kid meat balls, part two, cool as ice, Miami connection, and a whole bunch of films that'll keep you up all night. Hey kids, remember TV's very special episodes? Well, we got those in stocks, so meet us at the bike shop for more information. Search Video Rangers podcast on Facebook, twitter and instagram. Hey Kids, I'm the Reverend Johnny Blumpkins and I host a show that's about jokes and stories and game. There's pirates, all fuck yourself. They're swearing, there's stories about poop. It's like Mr Rogers neighborhood on crack. Blumpkin and friends, we are on Itunes and pod bean at Blumpkin show dot pod beancom or on twitter at Blumpkin show. Day from the selling out...

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Hmm If you went in there saying that you were the book worm. Hmm, what do you think? Yeah, man, that's like, you know, the the mad reader. Just doesn't sound it's not as intimidating as it could be, but does not invoke fear into the hearts of men. But at the same time the worm aspect is a little as, a little cool. I've heard a lot worse nicknames in there. So yew, okay, all right. Well, I just maybe someone would tag him to be like their accountant or I don't know if there's you know, like you with the distribution of the contraband. Yeah, all right, book where I'm get over here, you can are counting all my numbers here and keep track everything for me. I knew a guy named worm in there, which is funny. So yeah, but worm itself is yeah, the right put book in front of it. Yeah, becomes nerdy or whatever. Yeah, it implies. You know, I'm BRAINIAC and nothing else. You know, I'm, yeah, twenty pound weakling. All right, fire over light. wrote. I was in jail in the Middle East. He noted that he helps save nine thousand women and children in Afghanistan. I don't know if use in the military whatever, but hey, props to you there, buddy. Yeah, he said he spents three weeks in jail. Subsequently, and he says we were known by our passports and mine was British guy and this one, this one actually, I replied to and I said, well, we would dubbed You Union Jack. MMM, so I think Union Jack Sounds more again, I think the whole thing is here. You want to sound tough. Yeah, yeah, something like don't fuck with me if you like. Yeah, man, I'm Union Jack. It's a little better than hey, British guy, yeah, right, you know, right, man. Yeah, no Shit, just my humble opinion, my two sense I don't know, get a little creative, more creative than that, with it in a yeah, and actually tying into what you were saying earlier on tobacco and everything. Another podcast wrote in what if podcast. She wrote Cool Michelle, since I'll probably be worth a pack of sigs in there, which we now know. Well, actually, you said a cigarettes like five bucks. Oh yeah, dude, that's expensive. That's big money now. Yeah, so they's like a hundred bucks. Well, see, you see that, Michelle. Will you thinking there's more value to you than you actually truly believe? You know, she's just thinking. All, I'm worth a fucking nickel. No, you're worth like a hundred bucks, baby. Yeah, don't tell yourself short. Yeah, that's some high end product right there. Yeah, totally. I want to thank each and every one of them. There's a couple other wins in there too. And Yeah, again, I said this every episode. I appreciate everybody writing in and taking the time to respond and answer the question, but definitely you got some interesting nicknames that you've encountered in well, I'm right. Yeah, I mean over the years you run into a lot of them. I mean people just yeah, so I can't remember all of them, obviously, because there's been probably hundreds, but I remember knowing. So there was a Gonzo, there's a piggy, there was somebody named Mucker, mucker. I think you can go through all the muppets there first. No, no, I know Gonzo, piggy. No Shit, I did even think of that. What I honestly didn't. I did not throw man, that's like so in front of your fucking face. But and I knew them at the same time. They were on the same block as me, like piggy lived across the street, across the street, across the hallway me, and Gonzo was down a few cells. You saw. But you getting her mail? Yeah, Street. Yeah, I'm glad. Actually, I'm glad I didn't occur to you at the time because you might have said something like yeah, where's Kermit, and right Shank you. Yeah, maybe kermit would come over show me there was a gun, maybe named Kermit, that was killing you. I don't know, but anyway, yeah, and a lot of weird names. There's somebody named dirt, somebody named Poyo, like like chicken and Spanish. There was somebody named you know, I think, some polio, no pub act, see boil, and somebody named worm, as I mentioned. There was this kid we called Chin piece because he...

...had a chin like fucking Jay Letto, like Big Chin. So Chin piece. Oh, and then we started calling him over to because Chin piece would get in these fights. He would knows, Piss people off and you get punched in that Chin and he'd go down. And so he had. So he got into these two fights like within a week, and both of them he got banged out pretty bad. So we started call him over too. But then there was a can name Ninja, that was Asian, so that was kind of racist, you know, just called Ninja, but then a little yeah, but at least it sounded cool. But then a lot of people were known by their hometowns, like especially, or their home countries, like especially when I was in the state facility. It's not like I'm in a county, like, there's people from all over the state. So they would call me wooster and they oh, for a while they would call me dtocks, which is a not, not a flattering nickname, but it sounds kind of cool, at least the x something about dtox, you know, dtox, and and that look like it sounded kind of cool because of an X. Yeah, man, well, that one was not even necessarily because I was kicking. I mean that was part of it, but there it was because I used to I wasn't like a Rhymer, I didn't do like a lot of rhyming, but occasionally, if some I would tell people this little rhyme I had written that started. I met a chicken, dtox, with rebox and a do rag and Nissock. She eat cocks for three rocks and two bags, and it went on from there. But people would hear the people heard that and they would start calling me dtocks and there was a kid named Panama. They were kids named Columbia, you know, people from from their home areas. They would call them by that. So, anyway, tons of nicknames. I don't want to to take up any more time than I already have, but hey, know, I'm glad to hear them. I'm just still astounded that you didn't pick up on the muppet thing, but hey, whatever. I mean. It's like this been in a cartoon in there sometimes, you know. Yeah, I guess who frame Roger Rabbit over there something, but yeah, Um, hey. One other thing I want to mention before we jump back into another little commercial stints and come back with nate's notes is that if you didn't hear at the beginning of the show. If you didn't, I don't know how, since it was at the beginning, but we partnered up with northland vapors, which I am vaping on right now, a delicious flavor called Blue Rats, which kind of reminds me of a freeze pop actually, but I'm I'm a candy flavor kind of guy. Yeah, and these guys are fucking knocking it out of the pack and I do recommend you check them out at Northland vaporcom. And if you use the code selling out nineteen, you get nineteen percent off, and their prices are already pretty fucking low. So, Huh, that's a pretty good deal. So definitely check that out and I appreciate them sending me all this this juice to try and check out. It is, in fact, delicious. I wonder how much I could get for vape juice in prison right? Oh Man, well, probably nothing, cause you can't have, you know, a MoD yeah, cell takes a battery and everything else, but maybe they'd come up with some creative way using it, you know, figuring. I've seen people smoke crack out of chicken bones, so I don't know. Yeah, I love how this is just leading into the craziest shit it could possibly ever hear. Yeah, I've seen people make a syringe out of a bicycle pump, like the pump and the sharpen the tip of that and they were able to make a needle out of that. I was like, Yesh, that's gross big. The first thing, Yish's automatic when you see someone making a Needlek der mcneedlet of a bike pump. Jesus man. Yeah, well, it's just like the little reed part, right, the part of the end, like the little insert thing image. Yeah, you know, like a basketball pump. You know, that's more what I meant a basketball pump. You know how this a little pointy, the basketball pump like it's like a needle. It's basically like a thick needle and they would just sharpen the tip of it to make it pointy. And Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what right now. If you go to northland vaporcom you don't need any, I don't know, makeshift ways to vape. Yep, they have no chicken bones. Nope, no chicken bones, Tayet everything you need to get in there. If you're quitting smoking for the first time or if your experience vapor, they are the place to go. Highly recommended for me, and actually I'm going to hit some of this blue rats. 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...whistle along to every bendy note in a solo. I knew the spot where it sounds like the bassist's fingernails scrapes across the string a little loudly. And so even though I guess I was actively thinking of the song land of Sunshine, it kind of felt more like I was passively listening to it, and when it was done, I thought played the next song from the album, and so on. I listened to that whole album angel dust by fathom or in my head. When I got to the end, I picked another album from my youth and went through that one to song by song, note by note. Going through these albums like this was great. It was entertaining to hear some music from my youth. I'lbeit not out loud, and being that most albums run roughly an hour in length, it was another cool way to kill time and sort of keep track of the time. Eventually, I would even pseudo play music that I had been involved in writing. This was kind of a double edged sword. On one hand, it would bring up good memories of the good times surrounding the writing of said material, but of course, here I was in a concrete box, far away from those writing and recording sessions. I remember being in the hole during one sentence and I found myself in that very spot, smack DAB in the middle of memories of better times. I was trying to remember as many songs as I could that I had a hand in writing as a member of the project molasses three thousand. We had recorded dozens of songs over the years, and I was kind of making a little game of or memory exercise out of it. I mean, we recorded back in the days of four track cassette recorders and prior to evolving into a more modern, digitally produced band, we had filled hours of tape with stuff that I was always proud of, stuff that it I enjoyed listening to myself, which is sort of the point of writing music, isn't it? Creating something that you want to hear that doesn't exist yet. So anyway, over the years immediately preceding my current incarceration, I had bounced around from apartment to apartment, to homeless shelter to drug program broken up by stints in jail, and naturally I had lost a lot of personal possessions in those travels, even if I managed to hold on to some sentimental items while couch and detox surfing, when I go to jail, whatever stuff I had on the street would inevitably be thrown away in my absence by people who didn't want to hold onto my shit. Understandably. The point of all this rambling is that I had virtually nothing left of all those recordings that I had been a part of by the time I found myself in this particular solitary cell. I wasn't really even in touch with my old bandmates at the time to ask them for copies, assuming they had them all these years later. So, in this glut of free time to think myself into misery, I had started getting really bummed out. I thought of how much time and work and creativity had gone into these recordings and I thought of it as being all for nothing now that I had lost all the tapes and sadly, even my memories of the oldest songs were face eating. Well, as I was descending into gloomy moodiness, a panphlet was slid under my door. You see, they legally can't keep mail from reaching you in solitary, but I didn't ordinarily get much for mail, but I was on a mailing list to get this quarterly newsletter from a group called the human kindness foundation. If an inmate rights to these guys, the inmate will receive a book about Meditation and about Changing Your Outlook to see your incarceration as an opportunity to do some real work on yourself rather than punishment. But you also get a newsletter every three months and this just happened to be the day that the most recent one arrived. Now, I'm not the kind of guy that believes in signs or fate or other such supernatural forces but when I read the feature article in that newsletter on the front page, I had a weird combination of emotions. The article was about these Buddhist monks who spent days and days working on these super intricate sand mandalas. They put so much detail into these designs, need of colored sand, spending hours at a time on their hands and knees working. And when they're done and there's this beautifully unique, colorful work of art, they simply get up and wipe the whole thing out of existence. After working so diligously and creatively, they just...

...erase what they worked so hard on. The point, you see, is in the creating, not the finished product. The experience of building something beautiful far outweighs the pretty trinket that results from it. And as much as I loved listening to those songs that I had written with my friends, I realized deep down that the important part was that I had written them with my friends and for every melody that I was replaying in my head, there was a day that we spent together putting sounds together, playing instruments or banging on household items. Days spent experimenting with noise or Echo Effects, to make hypnotic, almost tribal sounding pieces. Days spent figuring out how to make music together. None of US schooled in it, so we all just explored and experimented until something truly unique and colorful came out of it. And I got to enjoy the finished products for a while. But now a lot of that stuff has been wiped out, eraced, and as much as I'm a sentimental person who likes keepsakes and mementos, I have to admit that the best part of all that old music was the act of making it. So you, I mean you were a part of all that that. Yeah, this effectly talking about. Yeah, totally, and and you know, solitary sounds fucking God awful. Um, I do have to say in the beginning there you mentioned angel dust from faith no war, which is fucking outstanding record. Hmm, I believe that was the last one they did with Jim Martin. That's true. That's true. What was it you said? They called Sandals S and mandalas. Mandalas, that sand dollars. Like you. The beach shows you how much I know. Yeah, but it's interesting you brought those up because I saw a special the other day and these middle aged folks were, yeah, we're in India and look at this cool shit we're making. And then afterwards, Ye all this like through the flowers and sit up in the air and like whoo. Yeah, and I thought, what are you nuts? You just for hours making the dark thing and now, yeah, you know, mucking the whole thing up. I was was the fucking point of a right, man. I mean you, you said that you would watch that show house of cards, right, yeah, yeah, so there was a scene in one of the seasons where these buddist monks were making one of those that's what I'm talking about. There was like they were creating the sand sculpture, whatever, picture and and do. Those things are so beautiful and they take so long and I mean it seems so counterintuitive to just destroy it when you're done. But Dude, that shit honestly like hit me hard that day when I got that news letters. It was weird, man, because I was in a low spot. Man, I was like beating myself up, like dude, you know, you can't hold on to anything, you you always lose everything, because I've always been a pretty EARSP hounstible, flighty weird person, and so I was really getting down to myself and I'm like, you know it, dude, we had some great times creating that Shit. Like like to think about all the when you, you used to live in Portland, Maine, and Floyd, floyd and I would come up to visit. We spend a whole weekend just locked in the house, basically just creating, recording and, yeah, maybe doing some drugs or doing whatever, but we but we had, we created, we were building some shit and and and we created some truly unique stuff back then. And I have to say like or whatever is right, though, when you said drugs or whatever, I think and the emphasis is drugs. And we had the little side project we call PPFC, yes, which is preparations of a potentially fluorescent cycle pentacy lane. That's right, that was the name of the side project. Yes, yeah, yeah, and the reason why I had a roommate who is a scientist training or whatever, and that was like the topic of one of his school papers, right, and we thought, wow, that's trippy, let's use it. And here I am, forty years old and I can still remember the name of that paper. That's amazing, yeah, isn't it? Isn't it wild? Yeah, but yeah, those a lot of fun, PFC, and I remember just like how you mention it. We'd lock ourselves in my apartment all we can long, getting fucked up and just messing around with the Microphone Delay Pedal, and there's a lot of creative material that came out of that that actually predates, I like to think, some of the trends that even happen now. It's like, yeah, what was that like, singing with the vocoder thing or whatever? Yeah, yeah, and was that that share song, the life after love? Yeah, and there's like a lot of effects on the vocals and stuff, and I'm like, we did a lot of songs like that. Yeah, hours before that was ever released. And of course I'm not share. No, I pretend to have her success, but you did a lot of cool things with your voice, though. You did a lot of good things. Inspiration again from faith, I'm war from Mike Patton. That's articular. He was a he was wow, he was something else. With those I can still consider him the goat a vocalist from people. Absolutely who's the best vocalist of all time, hands down. You know, we talked about Bowie on the show all the time.

Yeah, was bobably the best singer. No, creative guy, but Mike Patton man, who were yeah, he takes vocals to another level, pattent like creates weird sculpture out of his voice, like just weird noises. Yeah, so, yeah, but but dude, Angel Dust was always one of those albums that it represents like a part of my youth. It represents kind of our our friendship, because we were both that was one thing that we both were into before we even met each other, was faith. No more like it. That's like a thing that you when you meet someone you like. Oh, you like, make them more. Oh, me too, because they weren't like a huge band, but they were kind of like, you know, if you like them, you really like them, and it's like a little badge of like, you know, we're part of this fan base and and, but anyway, so, so, yeah, that I was. I'm I can replay that song note for note in my head, like every is awesome. No, I mean circumstances suck, but the fact that you can do that as pretty cool. Yeah, necessity is the mother of an invention, they said. And Yeah, I brought that up earlier. Yeah, and when you're in exactly, and when you're in there and you've got nothing to do, you literally just yeah, you come up with whatever you can to kill the time, and that includes just memory games and whatever. Dude. You know, I would hear people yelling to each other from cell to cell and they must have in their own cell drawn on the wall with a whatever, a piece of concrete or whatever like scratched into their wall, a chess board, and then they would yell to each other, you know, queen to be twelve, and the other person would move on their own corresponding board what their opponent had done, you know, their move, and then yelled their move back to the first. So they would play chess long distance. Solitary confinement has been under fire for a while now because some people they are put in what's called like ad the Seg, like administrative secret segregation, where you're not just locked up for a, you know, twenty day sentence in the whole, you're there indefinitely because you've been determined to not, you know, not played by the rules or whatever it is, and these people are put there for years at a time. Imagine being stuck in a cell with only yourself and like you're not even I mean maybe you're talking, but you're probably just talking to yourself. You know that? You that just reyabilities. You. Yeah, you lose the ability to communicate, you lose anything, you lose any sense of like, you know, social contract or weird like you don't know that like how to interact with people anymore, and it does a number on people mentally. It's far more of a cruel and unusual punishment than just being locked up or any some other kind of torture. It's like it's a unique form of punishment that does a lot more damage than, you know, than it ended. It's weird because if you say to me, you know, hey, could you survive that, it's like, well, how long is it? First question, and then, honestly, it my personality. Now. Yeah, I want to say yes, except I'm a family guy. Yeah, and that would bother me. But if I was a single person, HMM, because I just fucking hate people, well, it's like, yeah, leave me alone with my thoughts and everything, but it's so much easier said than I done. Right once, once you're in the as you were in the thicker everything, it's fucking maddening, you know. So, yeah, dude, yeah, and amazing. The worst two is that you're you're in there for however long and they only let you out for a shower. Usually like every few days, like every like three days, they'll take you out of your cell. They'll put belly chains, handcuffs and leg chains, like ankle shackles. You'll be escorted to one of the showers where there's a cage over the shower instead of a shower curtain like it's you know, so you're locked in there. Then they'll take the belly chains and handcuffs off so you can actually wash yourself, but they never take the ankle chains off. So the whole time you're in the shower you've got these ankle chains on which you know it's uncomfortable because they're banging on your ankles, your bone ankles were. But on top of that, you can't take off like say you've walked to the shower and you're in your box or shorts. You can't take boxer shorts off when you've got leg chains on. So you either bathe with the boxers on and just kind of wash your boxers while you're in there, or you take them off and just wrap a towel around yourself when you're on your way to show. It's like you have to think, you know, logistically about it and it's like it's it's really and it's hard to like wash your feet, like lift your legs to wash your feet when you're in belly ankle chains. And I think about the feet, I was just like wow, it's impossible to scrub your balls. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, well, they take, like I said, they take the belly chains in the in the handcuffs off once you get to the shower, but they just put them on when you walk from your cell to the shower. But right, yeah, so once you get to the shower they do take those off. But but dude,...

...it's yeah, it's awful. So the point of all that, me bringing that up, is that you want to like exercise and whatnot in yourself just to kill time. It like, you know, if you just walk back and forth in your cell, the nine feet or whatever it is, back and forth, and then do a set of push ups or as whatever just to kill time, then you get sweaty and gross and they don't give you deodorant, they don't give you anything. So you stink, you're disgusting and yeah, you have like a sink in your in your stall and your cell. So some people will do what they called a bird bath and just like wash yourself from the sink and but then your cells a mess because you're fucking yeah, it's gross, but before you know what, your Ted Kids in Ski Er something. Yeah, Dude, there's a lot of logistics and weirdness to it. And again, that's that's another topic. We could go off forever, but this is a getting to be a long episode. So yeah, all right. Well, we'll nip this one in the bud right now, even though I do want to teach something. How about next time out we do something light, like a Halloween episode? That sounds cool. Then we're getting there. We're getting towards Holloway back time. Yeah, yeah, I definitely want to do you know, a little bit about my youth in the halloweenks. I guess some, you know, not not, maybe not as good as your prison story. Some interesting stories about what I was up to, all the fucking high jinks and no good behavior. It's a changer because as a kid it was a different story. So anyway, we'll talk about that. You bring the candy corn, I'll bring the cheap plastic flammable costume. I'll bring the eggs and toilet paper. I got plenty of stories about that too. So yeah, let's definitely do her. Holloway, did that sound spooky enough? Yeah, man, I mean's be scared so you're like them. No, just pissed myself. Yeah, well, go give yourself a bird bath. Clean that awesome. Let's do it. Splash that a little bit, wash some water on that. Well, I want to thank each and every one of you for tuning in and taking the time to listen to our show. We appreciate it. We love you. Virtual hugs for each and every one of you. I am Dave. That is nate, and this has been selling out infirmary media. Girl Scout Cookie inspired flavors are now at Duncan. When the spirit of the girl Scouts Meets Duncan Coffee, it's easy to get a delicious cup of can do then, mint and coconut caramel flavors are here to help you tackle your day. Grab a medium lot to your Cappuccino for two dollars from two to six PM and take on whatever lies ahead. America runs on Duncan. The Girls Scouts name trademark and also hated trademarks and logo types, including the thin mince marker owned by Girl Scouts of the USA. Limited time off participation may vary. Exclusions apply. Hey, I'm Maurice. As a barber, you might think my scissors are my main tool, but really it's metro. That's where I got my iphone seven. It's camera makes sharing my cuts as simple as snip, snap, share. Right now, get an iphone seven with a camera that shoots K for just for thousand, Nin hundred and ninety nine. When you switch to the number one brandson, prepaid metro by Tmobile, rule your day requires port, inevalentual number, not going to be active on tmobile network or active on Metro and half ninety day and Arification of hiding independent acts when it for percounts house thirty kid by iphone seven model on the no temperancy. Store for details in trums of COMISSIONS.

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