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Episode 82 · 2 months ago

Anton Aardvark Ate Some Shrooms

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Leading off this luscious new episode of Selling Out Show: Dave is overly perturbed by fellow parents at 3rd grade graduation, Nate follows that up with how he favors fungi and details a trip with shrooms where he might've met god, What we've been watching- Dave is none too happy with Jurassic World Dominion and the new Dr. Strange, All time worst places to sleep (yes, they're that bad), PLUS Nate's Notes brings up Bands that turned out to be bad guys.

 All this and a whole lot more in the superior Selling Out manner. Hey, Hey, click play!

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What it does is beaches into your brain chemically and no, cat your happiest memory chemically, and then knocks on that emotion. It releases it chemically, and then it keeps your happy, happy. Hello, hello, hello, and thank you for tuning in to the selling out show where we screw up life at our leisure for your listening pleasure. I am one of your host, David Shultz, and over here I have my cohost, my good pal, buddy, partner in crime all that stuff, Nate Gore Zinski. And this is normally when I asked nate how he's doing, but I am going to forego the formalities right now because I want to complain about something, Nate. Oh Yep, shoot, I want to start the show off as a grumpy old man. How do I know? Kind of change a pace. That's how we start, dollers. Oh really, I thought this is something new, something fresh, giving the audience a taste of the new look silling out, but I was wrong. But listen, my son he's nine and he graduated third grade, and just saying that graduate third grade is kind of a weird, foreign thing to me because when we were kids, way back when you graduated high school, you'll you graduated college. You just, you know, when you're in third grade, you just okay, summer vacation, next year's fourth grade. Well, not anymore, my friend. Oh No, they have a ceremony, they have all this pomp and circumstance, all this stuff, and you know. So I go and I'm sitting in the auditorium and these parents show up and they got balloons, they got roses and gifts and bags, and I'm going, what the F is going on here? Yeah, what is up with this? Like seriously, I assumed, and this is how naive I am, that just showing up was enough. Yeah, not anymore. No, no, no, so I'm sitting here watching all these people in his the other thing, too, is they wait for their kids. They clap, yeah, we got flowers, we got balloons, and then they leave. They give the kids the balloons and flowers. Right. Yeah, sure, I mean walking out. Thought they left with the flowers in the balloons are yea, we left propt these. Hey. Oh, no, but I'm like, you got a clap for my kid to asshole. Oh, they leave as each kid, grady will like, taking their kids to this seats and then taken off and I'm like, Whoa, why have even announced my son's accolades, being on the honor roll and all these awards and all this stuff. I want you to give my kid his applause to and said you're just scooting out the back door with your kids and all their crap. That you bottom that's crazy, and so the off. So if you if your last name end like begins rather with an Ayah, you're pretty good. You can just get the hell out of there. But if you have them is Anton Ardvark, yeah, you are good to go. But you know, this also led me to wonder what kind of people these folks really are. And then I think about those, those ones that probably put like all that crap on layaway for Easter. HMM, really, I'm going to buy all these toys and stuff for Easter. Can I stress that enough? Not even Christmas, for Easter. So my kid wakes up to a power wheels and everything else, and I get put all the pictures on facebook and show everybody what kind of great parent I am buying all this useless shit for my kid on Easter. Yeah, yes, these motherfuckers. I'm telling you. I know, man. I mean I remember having because in my youth. We had the different schools for the different grades. You know, our our town was different than the next town over, which ours was like one school had first grade, or like kindergarten and first grade. The next school we went to had second, third and fourth, then the next one I had fifth and sixth and you know, on and on and then I just like our high school had June in your and high school together, like seven through twelve. But I remember after leaving sixth grade that school. I don't even know if it was a graduation ceremony, but I remember having a little like piece of paper collage thing with all the kids pictures on and it said graduating class of whatever year. But it just I think it just was something the school did. I don't think there was like a ceremony where our parents came or anything like. It was just a little memento like here the kids made it through, here, here's all the kids...

...they were twelve with, you know. Right, yeah, right, it's simple. That's simple enough. Yeah, and even even a ceremony. I understand, I get it. Okay, that's fine, all right. You want to do something for the kids. I'm not one to pick a bitch about participation, trophies, whatever. They went through school. Mind you, it's only third grade, so it's not like they had to, you know, take adderall and stay up all night to cram for sats or anything. They just had to color within the lines and learn basic mathematics and whatever. A rhythmetic but the thing is it's like anything you do in life. It doesn't matter what it is, someone has to ruin it. You know who was the first person that, when they had this assembly, said I got to show up with all this crap to give my kid, you know what I mean, and just make the other parents look bad people. It didn't make me look that. I don't think so. I'm like, like I said, it showing up. I think it's the important thing. Right here, I I I'm clapping for all these kids, including Anton Ardvark and and Zoe, these zoo banger you stayed untill after yours. It said, yeah, exactly, it's what I mean. He's what the Hell's going on with these selfish pricks? And then you know who is the first person to do that, to bring flowers and balloons and toys or whatever to kids who are graduating, to try to show up the other parents. Yeah, I'm going to find that per I'm gonna get a time machine and I'm not going to go back and kill Hitler. I'M gonna kill that son of a bitch. That's what I'm going to do. Yeah, man, you're the real hero. Yes, I am not. All heroes were capes. Okay, but now I want to get back out of the weeds. Okay, thank you for letting me rant and rave about that to lead off the show. Audience, I also appreciate you as well for tolerating my my ragefull rant. HMM. So, nate, how are you? How are you doing? Let's get back on track here. I'm doing okay, man. It's summer. I have few complaints. It's warm weather, we got a new paddle board that we're teaching our dogs to sit on with us while we paddle around the lake, and we live on a lake, so it's pretty nice. But the yeah, the dog, let me write that down. That's someone else. I'm going to travel back in time with an assassinate the theator of the paddle book. No, no, the first person who put the dog on the paddle boat. That's what the paddle boat is self. Is Fine, but the person is like, yeah, we got to teach a dog how to do this. You going down, you are going down. Well, one of my dogs would be greatful for you do verify to this thing or what? Yeah, you know, one of our dogs jumps right on it. She's fine, our little pug, she's got she's all heart, man, she's brave, she doesn't give a shit. She'll jump off the paddle board in the middle of the lake of you know, if you don't watch her. But but the other dog, Callie are Doberman, is yeah, she's not a big fan of water. I come to find out most Doberman's aren't really fun of water. But but yeah, she's not a big Fan. So, yeah, she'd be grateful for you to you know, quite see wiping that out of history. The role reversal there. The little pug is the one with the balls and the big dog is the one who's a big softie. Yeah, as is the case in the life in a lot of areas, I was raging right one with all the heart and the big big for nothing, we used to call him in jail, the big guys that can't fight or nothing. They call him big for nothing. Yeah, right, that's like me and you, because I'm what like five foot six, yeah, and you're wet for yeah, six, four, six, five, somewhere in between. Oh, there you go, and you me. I'm all heart and you're just a fucking coward. That's true. So you said it. Hitting I'm kidding, but we do have a great show planned for everybody today, because we are some fun guys, MMM, by being very punny. Yeah, indeed, it's something I say with my kids to you guys, Punny, Ha Ha, dad joke. But the reason why I'm trying to do these sneaky humor bits is because one of the things we're going to talk about is the power, the potential power, of mushrooms, fung guy trips into the multiverse, sleeping arrangements are bad ones, what we've been up to, what we're watching, I think, some other stuff as well, in the traditional selling out show manner. So Buckle Up, you have folks. Yeah, that you be a terrible flight attendant. Yeah, buckle up. Yeah, yeah, folks, what he said, put the seat belt on where you are going to die. So yeah, anyway, but let's lead off with some of that fun guy talk. What do you say? I'm I'm down actually even be a liteoff, since I went on my whole third grade graduation tirade. Yeah, I think that was technically the leadoff. Yeah, so now we're in it. We're into like the the top layer, the part of the cookie of the oreo before we get into that creamy center. That's right. We're in the dermist. We're through the epidermist. Oh, working our way in. So right, not a flight attendant, but definitely a doctor. That's right, man, but donors...

...ski in. It's funny you mentioned doctors, man, because that kind of factors into what I want to talk about today. There's hell. Well, I've been recently kind of delving into something from my past that I haven't hadn't wanted to for a long time. Like I are. Listeners will remember that I've had a kind of a sorted history with substances and whatnot, and so I'm a little lear of getting to into you know, like I still will have a drink here and there, I still look like my pot whatever here and there, but dad, yeah, but beyond that, you know, I'm hesitant because I just know how I how I work. But I've been reading a lot about people micro dosing with psychedelics, specifically psychedelic mushrooms, and even beyond that, actual the beneficial properties of actually doing a large dose of them and accession, if you will. And so I've been kind of I don't know, I I delved back into that part of my life when I was when we were kids, we were both enthusiasts of psychedelics, but we would use them just a party to have fun, you know, we joke around, they made everything more amusing, probably you more than anything. You say you're expanding your mind, but really just trying to have a good time exactly, man. You know it's but now that I'm older and I've dealt with a lot of issues in my life and like depression and anxiety and addiction and all these things, I feel like I'm in a place where it's kind of actually taking hold. The benefits are actually I don't know, I'm actually receptive to them, I guess, because, man, I don't know really how to start this. It's like this conversation I just I had been I bought some mushrooms recently and I was micro dosing with them and it was it was great. It kind of just gave me a little more pep in my step, a little more open mindedness and, I guess, just a willingness to participate in life. It kind of makes you more enthusiastic about things when you just have a little bit of that in you. And I didn't know how it worked, I was just appreciating it. So I was doing that. I would eat like a little third of a gram of mushrooms every every day or every couple days for a period and then I accidentally took a little too much one day. I didn't mean to, but I just kind of, you know, ended up tripping a little harder than I thought I would and man, it opened up all kinds of look sections of my brain, like I so my point is it basically got me to to experiment a little more and a little more each time I would do them, and I'm at the point where once in a while I will do a strong they called a heroic dose in the in the Society of psychedelic enthusiasts. I'll say like take a psyche, a heroic dose of psychedelics. Sure, I'll end up doing usually between five and seven grahams, about a quarter ounce at a time, and I make sure I'm in a safe environment I make sure I'm alone, because nothing freaks you out when you're tripping more than like other people looking at you and feeling like you're acting funny. You know who's so you would want to like a dose up and go to the supermarket. But Nay, I got a quick question for you here. Sure, now, you mentioned you were just microdosing. You're doing a little bit, kind of therapeutically. Yeah, you know, but then oops, you took too much now and you said that opened you up a little bit. So are you trying to say, like, okay, I took too much and I didn't have a bad trip. It was went really, really well. So now that led me to do more correct take more. Okay, all right, Yep, that's what I'm saying because, yeah, when I when the stronger trip came on from accidentally doing too much, it made me realize like I had been scared to trip for years because of my addiction, because of like my past with like going to jail and being, yeah, incarcerated, homeless, all these things. Like I was afraid to trip because when you trip, anyone that doesn't know you really kind of do look at yourself from this objective view and you really kind of it can screw you up if you're not living right, you know, if you're, it can really like give you about. That's kind of what a bad trip is, is when you just thinking too much and you're driving yourself nuts and and if you don't feel good about yourself, you're going to have a bad time, you know, because that is like horrific beyond I mean, anybody who's had a bad trip, yeah, you were locked into a nightmare and he might only be for a few minutes, but it feels like ours. You know what I mean, and that's just yeah, that terrorizes me. Yeah, being someone who's had one. Like if someone said, Oh, yeah, I'm going to give you a bad...

...trip and lock you in a closet, I'd be like no, do anything else to me, do you maybe Ampytata Toe? Yeah, you know, it's awful, it is. Don't do that. Yeah, that would suck. It really is, man and but I realized that now that I don't have a lot to feel really bad about myself. But lately, like, you know, not the to my own horn, but I feel like I'm living pretty well lately. I feel confident with WHO I am, and I think that's a big part of it. And and yeah, just lately I've been having these sessions once in a while. Like I said, I'll be alone. Everyone else in my house is asleep. You know you obviously I don't do it when Joey will beat as father's when I do it, as we're sayings like just to yeah, I don't know, there's no exactly you trying to, you know, let everybody know you're not doing anything completely irresponsible here, like we mentioned earlier when we wouldn't do it and go into the supermarket. You're not doing it around kids, you're not exactly you're not good doing it in an old folks home. That's true. Around seniors. I haven't yet. Don't scare Nana. Yeah, please, true, but hey, but definitely in a safe, controlled environment. And usually when I'm doing it, it's I just mentioned. We live on the lake. We also have a Jacuzi on our back porch. So usually eat a handful of mushrooms, wait for them to start to kick in, jump in the Jacuzzi in the middle of the night under the moon and the stars overlooking the lake, and it's hard to have a bad time. Yeah, in that in that environment. So, so yeah, I've had these revelations, like all these it's almost like every time I don't understand how it happens, but every time, when you do a certain amount of them, it's the magic number somewhere around, like I said, five and up. Grahams, you know something about that. I've noticed it. There's at some point in that night that I will have like it's almost like my mind is showing me some part of me that it's like, you might want to look at this, and I swear to God, it's not like I'm thinking about it consciously. It honestly feels like something else is showing me this is something you might want to look at, that you're doing, or this is some kind of relationship in your life that may be unhealthy or, and I swear to God, it's like therapy. It's almost like the mushrooms are acting as a therapist like that, that knows me inside and out and it's not giving me any answers per se. It's just saying, you know, hey, what do you think is going on here? And like and honest to God, I feel like I get something out of each one of these sessions, man, and it is a little intimidating someone who's not used to doing it. I wouldn't recommend it to somebody that isn't familiar with psychedelics at all to like go that deep into like with that many that much. I sure. Yeah, and lets you know, unless you're doing it, there are facilities, I guess, that will do this. Like you can go some where and it'll be a guided trip where they feed you all these mushrooms, just like the iowaska retreats that people may have heard of where, yeah, they there's like a shaman or a therapist of some kind that's guiding you through it and making sure you don't hurt yourself or do anything right. But but to me that almost sounds like a nightmare because, like I said, I don't like people watching me when I trip. I I and I have enough experience with it where I'm okay, I know I'm not going to freak out like I personally have had a few nights where I probably took more than I should have liked. On at least one occasion, my connection for these mushrooms got some new ones and so I stupidly just take the same amount that I'm used to taking, and maybe these are a little stronger than the ones I'm used to, and so there's been a few. Yeah, there's been a few nights where it's almost like a boy. This might be a little rough, but honestly, all that happens is I remind myself you can't overdose, like there's nothing physically is going to happen to you. Just need to remain safe. Just don't move too much, like don't like you know, just stay home, stay sitting down, calm down. It's going to pass and I'm able to kind of talk myself through it. But but anyway. So, yeah, I had a I don't want to say scary, but a really kind of life altering occurrence the other night. I kind of I messaged you about it. Yeah, you did. And the strange thing is that so my whole life, or my whole adult life at least, I've been a pretty staunch atheist. I don't believe in anything supernatural. I have issues with religion. I don't think anything happens when we die. I think you know just I'm pretty natural as far as like science and what I think is happening in life. Like, I'm pretty I don't believe in Supernatural Shit. Is what I'm saying. You're fairly grounded. Yeah, you know, yeah, you don't. You don't...

...believe in any kind of man up in the sky kind of thing and what have you. We get it. But I yeah, was this revelation, though, what you mean? I you sent me the text and it seemed pretty deep and everything was going on with you. But yeah, well, further ex plan basically, I don't even know how it happened. I was one of these situations. It was a new type, a new strain of mushrooms. I was trying and I found myself. It's almost like the the best part of tripping is when you're on much room, specifically, is when your eyes are closed. I know that seems people talk about visuals and all this stuff, but most of them, it seems like when my eyes are closed, so it's almost like a dream, but you're awake, like things are being visuals, like weird geometric patterns, I'll like, different images are being shown to you when your eyes are closed even and this one night, for some reason, there was like it was that same voice that would show me things, like I mentioned about myself like that that I was just attributed to. This is my subconscious mind talking to me, just telling me, hey, you know, this is something you should look at, this is you know, what are you doing in this? You know? I don't know. So this one night the voice just kept on. It's not a real voice. I don't want to sound scary like I'm hearing voices, but it's just some thoughts in my head just kept like coming up and saying like, like, look at where you are. Like I honestly felt, with my eyes closed, like I was soaring through these these corridors of geometric patterns. It almost looked like fractal patterns or Kaleidoscopes, and you could think, well, yeah, that's a nice dream, some nice imagery, but it's obviously just a hallucination. But for some reason that night, like I I felt like I was there with other people, like there were other there were other I don't know how to explain it. It just felt other presences there, more than one, aliens, maybe probing be but maybe some kind of extra dimensional beings or something. I don't know. I just I I've heard people talk about that stuff as far as psychedelics go, like encountering entities, they call them, and things like this, and I always thought it's just silly, but this one night, I'm telling you, man and and it was almost like I was conversing with them silently. I wasn't talking, but but we were bringing up the fact that, like you know, maybe you need to rethink your whole outlook on the world, because look at where you are right now. This is not the natural world. This is odd, but it was undoubtedly like I couldn't deny that it was a real experience I was having. It was so real. People like I was having a conversation internally with some other people about like these psychedelics, maybe what we have as far as like supernatural in this world. I may not believe in anything, but maybe this is where it all lies. Because yeah, man, because this is the only place I've been able to find, even scientifically. They're studying all this stuff scientifically, something outside of like the natural world, anything that could be considered supernatural, anything else. Talk of God's talk of ghosts, talk of any of this stuff. It's there's no evidence for any of it, but this is a thing I can do on my own and experience it. It's an end. That night, whoever I was talking to or whatever I was talking to. We were discussing like why would this exist on the planet, like what purpose scientifically does this serve? Like it's not like like some organisms will do a certain things so they don't get eaten or, you know, they look a certain way so they don't get attacked by predators, or there's some function to whatever they do, you know, but this mushroom, it's like there's no it's not like it's discouraging an animal from eating it. Like you there are animals that eat them like they're it's it's such a unique experience and I don't know how. I can't explain it, like I know I'm falling short, but it's here, all right, and not to please please him cutting in here, this is what I use. So it's like, okay, you mentioned in nature, certain animals have defense mechanisms, camouflage, would have you. The mushrooms, however, are like, okay, I am prepared to die right, you will consume me, but if you do so, there will be repercussions of certain magnitude. Right, because obviously there are some that, hey, you ate meet now, you dead right, right right. There are berries or various things. You eat...

...them, your gun to Croak Right. These, however, are saying to you, I am unlocking the door to a new dimension. So, if you dare to eat me, prepared to look inside of yourself. Right there will be a voice that you can identify talking to you. Hopefully it's someone like Christopher walking or Sean Connery, not Morgan Freeman. That's tired, that's done. I've heard his voice enough, but someone of interest right, and it's going to guide you through your own psyche to explain all the mistakes, all the missteps, all the potential that you may have. You know what has happened you in your past, everything else, what your future could hold. Yeah, some of it is even showing you positive it's not always like showing you a thing you need to work on and yourself or a bad thing about yourself that you need to fix. A lot of it sometimes you just it makes you think of certain people in your life that yet you may not have thought of in a while, or you may like just have a revelation about them, that it's like this person, like I don't, you just feel like stream love for and from that person at the time and it's like it's just, it's I can't explain it. To someone that hasn't done it and I know you have done it, but it's like it's you found it just a right you found that sound what I was getting anything out there? I was shaken this one night in particular. I was shaken to my core because I realized like, even if it was just a hallucination, it was real enough where I honestly, like as a staunch like, like I said, atheist, the naturalist, whatever, humanist, I felt like maybe I was wrong about everything for that night anyway. I mean, I woke up the next day and I was kind of like yeah, maybe that was just a crazy trip, but I remember how like life changing. It was an honestly and honestly, the origin of a lot of our religions and things like could be traced back to that. Like I don't want to hog this whole episode, but I wanted to talk about there was a movie that I watched recently that I put on our facebook page, the selling out facebook page, a link to a trailer to it, but it's on Netflix. If any of our listeners have Netflix, there's a film called fantastic fungi or fungi, or ever pronounce it that it's I believe from like two or three years ago. But Dude, it's such a great movie. I learned so much about mushrooms in general and you don't have to be in a Psychedelic, you know, explorer to to watch this in finds like how like just find some kind of interest in yeah, because this isn't about psychedelics in general. It's about fungi as a species and how amazing they are and how overlooked they tend to be. And to it, it turns out like, because so many of them are poisonous, it discourages a lot of people from like really delving into the subject. Or, you know it, you have a fear of them rather than a respect to them. And there's so much like, I guess Fung Fungi. I'm going to say a differently every time I say it, but I'm gonna say that what I know. Sure, but fungi are like they're a whole separate it kingdom of organisms. They're not a plant, a lot of people think their plants. They're somewhere between like a plant and an animal. They they work in tandem with plants and animals and it's fucking amazing. Do like this film, like it was showing all kinds of different ways they're being used nowadays, everything from like they're finding ways that they treat cancer. Certain types of mushrooms, they're called like the Turkey tail mushrooms, have had like extreme benefits to people with cancer. And on top of that, it's like there's they were talking about how there's this theory called the stoned ape theory that was started by this guy, terrence McKenna, who's also like a huge psychedel he's actually dead now, but he was a huge proponent of psychedelics, a writer about psychedelics and whatnot. He came up with this whole hypothesis about how maybe what what got apes to evolve into humans could have been these psychedelic mushrooms, because you think about it like before, like at those early days of organisms on the planet, like they're just looking to find what they could eat, like you know, there's IT, right, there's worked is just kill me. No, yes, maybe exactly. And they noticed in the fossil record that in this two million year period, which is extremely short...

...when it comes to this, the the size of the skull of these primates like as it evolved from from the apes to humans, but during this particular period. There's no way o our heads should have grown this much. And the thing about psychedelics, or the thing about specifically silicide in the the chemical in these mushrooms, is that it it causes something called Synesthesia, which is like when people, it's hard to explain again, somebody hasn't done it, but people hear colors or see music like ways where it's like the signals kind of get connected in weird ways, where it actually they found that it actually what it's doing is connecting neurons that aren't usually connected, and this could have actually helped brains actually grow, like if the neurons were connecting and weird ways. Eventually the brain is growing and these apes were starting to see things differently, look deeper into their behavior, look deeper into their societies, at the world at large, and it and honest to God, it doesn't sound that farfetched if you've ever tried these things in like so, so not only could they have aided in evolution and everything, they're finding all these other ways that that fungus, fungi fungi are are usable, like are useful in modern life. They there. I mentioned cancer treatments, but they're also like, yeah, they're giving people psychedlic mushrooms. You have to treat depression, addiction nowadays, anxiety. They people that are dying are like that. Are Given the news that they're probably dying. When they take a heroic dose of these mushrooms, it's almost like they come to peace with it. They see things again from an objective point of view, without all the emotions of your your own point of view, and it's fucking like it. Actually people report completely becoming coming to terms with with whatever they're dealing with and not feeling so hopeless about death. And and just one last thing I wanted to mention is just how fascinating they are in relation to the like plant life and the like, the ecosystem of just the forests and things. Is that, dude, trees and different plants are able to communicate with other trees and plants using like there's a whole network of fungus underground in these forests that like it. It acts almost as like a way to pass information from plant to plant and treat a tree and everything it. Also they can pass nutrients and things or signals of danger and different like communicating through almost like they're using Internet cables or phone lines. Well, well, and it's all fungus. The like. Fungus also AIDS in decomposition. So when organisms die, what helps them break down is fungus growing all over them, which enriches the soil and makes the soil useful to new plants and things. And then there's even weird scientific studies where people have been using different fungus to try to clean up oil spills. If you think about it, like oil spills are such a huge part of our you know, our pollution in our world and if they because they cause such a problem. But oil is an organic compound. It's made of dead matter, so we have trouble cleaning it up, but the fungus just eats it away. Like they've had so much success using fungus to clean up oil or experimenting with it that it could be like the future of cleaning up oil spills or ecological disasters and things. This this movie. I'll shut up about it, but this is boiled it. I don't need to see it now. You just told me everything that happens in the movie. No, man, there's a lot more to it, but I just said Planar this. I highly recommend this movie again. It's called fantastic fungi, fungi, fungy, fun. Yeah, so check it out everyone. But and if you have a safe place to do it and you feel strong enough and you feel safe, I am not going to discourage any well, I'm not going to encourage anyone from you as a legal substances, but I am. Yeah, you saying, everybody out there, take Sam Shrooms, find your inner whatever's going on there,...

...and make peace with yourself. That's right. You know, when you talk about the interconnectivity that they get going on communication fungi, you can talk to me. When they start sharing viral videos amongst the trees and the bushes, you know they are, yeah, maybe, yeah, little pet videos or whatever. Look at the humans, look what they doing, those stupid shits. Oh my God. You know, this reminds me a lot of what's that? I have not seen the film that you were referring to, but if you have the Hulu is one of your streamers, there's a show on there called Hamilton's Pharmacopeia. I love it. I'm a huge fan. There you go. That's that's one where this guy delves into various psychedelics. Hamilton Morris, yes, Hamilton Morris, a very creepy looking man. He's a strange looking nerdy guy, but it is a very interesting show and I'm glad those shows exist because, you know, despite your encouragement for all of us to in fact micro doosed, dose, take too many much rooms. Whatever the case, maybe I will never do psychedelics again. I will not. There is no way you could convince me to do so. So it's interesting to see someone else doing them. I mean, go on, ha ha, you can do it for me, sucker. But yeah, that's a fairly interesting program to watch as well. But you know, nay, I'm glad you're you know, you're saving on therapy bills, that's right, by just taking the shrooms. And we you know, we didn't even mention these are your talking man, organic. Don't mess with the LSD I know exactly. Don't mess with the chemicals. Just stick with this stuff that grows from mother Guya. That's right, man, pop that in your Gullet neat that and say hello. I agree. Good bye daddy issues, good bye, I am potens. Hello, two thousand and twenty vision. You can throw your glasses away. Yeah, man, I it's funny. Just quickly you said that about. Yeah, not using the scientifically made engineered ones like LSD. I had experimented recently with some LSD to thinking maybe it'll be similar now. But listen, the thing I noticed is it's nowhere near as therapeutic. It's not the same thing at all. Yeah, if and the the acid, actually made me out of it for the whole next day or two, like I felt like the come down was unreal. But with mushrooms, within hours of taking them I'm usually okay to function and nobody would ever know, you know, within a matter of hours. So right, yeah, but the acid is kind of like having a little bit of a hangover, big time, like you just feel out of it. Feel, yeah, just like I can barely communicate with other people for the next like day and a half. So, and you met God, which that's right. Good, you met. That's a selling point. You woke up the next day not sure, but in that moment tim you're like, yeah, I might believe in a bigger, bigger, greater power. Yeah, then what I thought about the day before, even hours before. That's right. And if they can make a what say? What? No, if I was just saying quickly, if it can make me feel that way, like open to that concept. It can make anyone. Yeah, so sure, but go ahead and do okay, yes, me, the talking words coming out of my face. You also mentioned that you saw fractal patterns, that you were floating, possibly through the multiverse. Ess Actually, what you wrote me in the text like you felt like you would breach dimensions, which is also a nice text to get from somebody you know. Normally it's like hey, how are you? I am working, I will call you later. Yours is like, Oh my God, man, I floated through the Cosmos last night and I touched a star which opened up the whatever whatever. I found a child. I took him up the mountain to Shangra Lah. But when you talk about this, you know, these floating through the multi verse. I just watched and this is quite the Seguey here, look at me go Dr Strange in the multiverse of madness. So this is this is big ticket stuff. Here it's on Disney plus, talking about the streamers, like who knew? And want a quick review? Yeah, of course I want to quick review. You paused, so I know if you really wanted it or not. So it sucked. Okay, that was a Shitty fucking movie. So, you know, you recommend everybody else in the free world go douche rooms. I recommend you don't go see that and don't sit in your couch and Duer the whatever two and a half hours it is to watch it. I was very, very disappointed and there's no multiverse for me. I don't like wow, man, but that's too bad. Yeah, I you know, Sam Rami was a director who's a very he's a famous guy. Absolutely, people see the like them. Yeah, you know, it's and it was...

...a horror movie. It wasn't a traditional superhero movie. And you know, some people may say, Dave, come on, man, you just said it sucked. Why did it suck? Well, you know, every taste is subjective, right, everybody likes different things and and what have you. But for me you got to have a cohesive plot. Okay, I I don't like storylines go on left, right, up and down, like a spider web all over the place. I like being taken down the path, the road, and I think this movie was just like taking a big pot of Spaghetti and throwing it up against the wall, which, you know it, in fairness, I guess, is in the title. They do say multiverse of madness, but I mean I was just annoyed throughout the whole thing, like, seriously, now we're going this way, now we're going that way, you pulling me here, you pulling me there, which is similar to I had mentioned. I wanted to see Jurassic World Dominion. I'd pre bought my takes. My kid loves Jurassic World. Hating that too, I did not. I did not like it. I thought that was another one where it is like a cool movie. They had a lot of potential there and the script was just fucking terrible. Day. It was a cussment. Yes, and similar fashion both movies, the Fan Service is off the charts right in doctor strange, no spoilers, but there are some appearances that are like wow, that's great to see this character in the movies. Finally, HMM. And with Jurassic World Dominion, there's a lot of throwbacks to earlier in the franchise. Many people know, like the original cast for the most part is back, but they overplayed it. They really were just like the character still dress the same active there's no progression to the characters. They were like as if they were put away cryogenically and then unsealed and you know, here they are in the new movie just to have them in the movie. So because, oh look, look, look at that. And there was no development there. And if you are a Jurassic Park World Fan, let me tell you right now they fucked up Dr who that character. They fucking it was so stupid, man. I'm like seriously, because my problem was he was such a bold, strong character throughout all the previous whatever five movies, and this one he for a dinosaur movie. He was absolutely toothless, like he had no bite to him. He's just a fucking slobbingly mess. So well, that was a nice little pun to toothless in the world of dinetory. I'm good like that. I'M A dad. That's what I do, man. I get fucking I wish I got paid for that Shit, but I don't. So yeah, I mean, but there has been some good stuff on. You've been watching, Nathan Fun or, I mean I finally watched the full kids in the hall series, which I should have done from the beginning. Yeah, totally. I watched the documentary on the kids in hall that you mentioned last episode, comedy Punks, two part documentary, which was incredible. As a fan. I don't know how it would play with non fans, but it's still an interesting story. But I think it's a little in depth if you're not a store, if a fan of kids in hall, but it was great. I also watched the Anthony Bourdain documentary that was released on HBO, which was heartbreaking but also great. I'm a big fan of documentaries. It's hard to meeting. I love him too, man. I can't get enough of them. I really enjoy him. Yeah, and while we're at it, you had also mentioned dart. Told me to watch the Carl and documentary. George Carlin had a two part documentary on Hbo Max and that was also incredible. It's super indepth and made you missed the guy all over again. Yeah, I really really George Carlin was such a big part of my life growing up. His comedy was always just ever present. He just felt like he'd always be there and since he's been dead, you kind of you know, I'll still listen to some of his old stuff, but you kind of forget just how much you miss him. All of a sudden putting out a special and hearing his take on how crazy shit is, because in this day and age, with how crazy everything is politically and whatnot. He would have plenty to say and I really wish we could have heard his take on it, although I'm kind of glad for the guy that he's dead before all this shit happened. But you know, I do, I do miss the guy. You know, I liked about that documentary, the George Carlin when was the American dream or something. I forget the name of it. But so, apologies, we're really well prepared for this program but I like how it detailed his missteps in his career where he he had a lot of failures too. It's not like he was automatically this ranter and Raver and everything else. I mean he went through that period where he was a pretty much like a straight lace comic, sure, and then he got into, you know, the counterculture in the s. But even after that he had dipped in. Other comedians were making fun of him. MMM, like Jesus Guy, he lost his edge, you know what I mean? And then even later in life where he was kind of going off his rock or a little bit. And Yeah, he was almost too negative for...

...while. Yeah, yeah, this documentary was, I think, produced by his daughter in conjunction with his State. Even so, it's like they could have given you much more sugarcoated look at his career in life, but they didn't. They really I think there's Judd apatow yet was also the person behind it. They give you everything, everything on the guy, and is is quite fascinating. Yeah, they didn't pull punches, that's for sure. Yes, they didn't pull any fucking punches and it was a very good documentary and it's been out for a while now, like, I want to say, like a month or something. So if you haven't seen it, but mostly everybody probably has seen it, because if you like this show, you probably like the comedic works of people like George Carlin, yet again, the kids in the hall. And Yeah, I would like to think that that we're all like minded people. Yeah, man, if you're not, if you out there are not, at least check them out. Check out some kids in the hall, check out some George Carlin. If you haven't, yeah, I'll check out some Anthony Bourdain shows. It shows really good too. I started that I only got like twenty minutes into it and that's like one of those things where you have that unwritten law that if you start watching something with your spouse, you can't continue with it right till they're available. In our skippers have been kind of off. You know. It was a stranger things the first half, I think, a season four. I did not think she was going to like it, but she got into it and so I couldn't watch it unless she was around. Luckily she liked it so much that she found time to watch that. So, which is interesting to me because it's very comic. BOOKIE HMM UM, and you're not a fan of stranger things, right you? I just never got into it. I tried watching the first season a couple times now and I just haven't. I don't know. It hasn't stuck, but okay, well, I'm willing to try it out again. I think you should and I impressed my wife because when this new season first started, I'm like wow, this is very eerily similar to nightmare on ELM street, and she later in the series. And I guess this is ruining it for you a little bit, but I'm sorry, it does. It does touch on that a little bit. My wife's like, how did you know that? I'm like, Babe, come on, I know my stuff. Yeah, so, but yeah, what's that? No, no, I don't want to interrupt you, but I know you are. Go ahead and already, I've already done it. It's already happened. Yep, it's funny. You mentioned a comic bookie things and be what we've been watching lately and whatnot. Is that? You told me a while ago one night, I think I had texted you telling you that I was going to take some ushrooms or something, and you had said you should watch the boys series, the boys, because it's trippy and weird, and I never got around to it. And now they're like three seasons in and I finally started watching it. Not On mushrooms, by the way. Okay, good, good, but but fucking love it. Great Show. Yeah, and I am currently working on season three, and I say working on it because, let me go bitch and again how we fucked up streaming, because now they released episodes once a week. So suck it, binging people. Yeah, we really fucking knew how to fuck ourselves with that. We were episodic television. No, we don't need episodic television. You need self control. twitter, stay offf social media, don't want to spoilers, okay, don't look at the fucking Internet if you don't want goddamn spoilers. That's what you got to do. And if you want to, it's like, okay, if I gave you two pounds of macaroni and cheese, you can eat all the fucking macaroni and cheese. No, you don't need. No one needs to eat two pounds of macaroni and cheese, unless you're a fucking from a third world country and Sally strothers is selling everybody for the price of a cup of coffee. We can feed you. HMM. Right, so you can control yourself. You don't need to eat all the fucking MAC and cheese. So why do you going to watch everything at once if that's not what you really want? Control Yourself, stop yourself. All right, you fucking SLOB. Get off your fucking couch, go for a jog, do whatever you like to do. You grab a fucking color in book. I don't even know they make up an adults. Now there you go, but sort of saying it's like now you know, because you sends a bitches. I like the bench. To me, that was that was the fucking Kicka. That was it, man, HM, you know. Yeah, and here we are now got to wait till, let very Thursday, late Thursday night or Friday to watch the boys, which is funny because, you know, I recently was a hotel on a trip. I was in Mexico. I had mentioned this previously. Previously I was going on a what do they call those things? Yeah, vacation, that's what they call it. That's it. That's the ticket right there. You know, they say it's a vacation. When you get a family, it's a job. But and I'm in the hotel room and then they get like all the these in channels, HBO, Cinemax, whatever, whatever. But you're you're the captive audience because it's not like streaming, so you watching whatever HBO has on, and I think I watched this is kind of funny. I've never seen any of these fast and furious movies, except for one, which is considered the worst in the franchise, supposedly, is this Tokyo drift. Oh there and it was. I hadn't seen it like ten years. I watched it again because it was on and I'm in the hotel room sitting in the bed like Oh, what the...

...hell it's on. So that's the to me. Now that's like a unique experience compared to like when we were younger and before streaming. I could compare it to on a Sunday afternoon, you hungover. Whatever is on, TNT is whatever is on because you're too fucking hungover to reach a remote on the coffee table. Right, so you're going to watch troy with Brad Pitt, even though it sucks, because it's on. You know what I mean? Yep, that's fair, man. That's a fact, Jack. That's what that is. You can put that in your fucking pipe and smoke it. I Oh, watch got I't know that I can do. Tokyo drift was the dark horse. It is. Yeah, the fast and Francis. I've never seen any of the other movies and I think the first one was just by chance. I had seen it. was just like whatever. Yet again it was on. All right, I'll watch it. Some hot fucking chicks in this movie. Whatever. And then, yeah, I did the same thing this time like, oh, this is so weird because this is the only movie I've seen bits and pieces of. Let me fucking subject myself to this bullshit all over again. And it's just as bad, just as terrible. But I will not watch movies about car racing. Yeah, I'm not interested in that in general unless I'm yet again, a captive audience. So the Eagle is is my whole thing about streaming. We fucked it up. Yet there's a certain unique charm to being in a hotel room being forced to watch whatever the fuck is on the TV. So yeah, you know. And trips are funny. Man. Do you remember when you're young and you go in a car trip, like, let's say, when I say young, let me be more specific, because I generally say young and it covers decades. Teenager. Let's say you're a teenager and you travel into a new town or across state lines. Did you remember that feeling like you could walk into a convenience store and the cashier was going to fall in love with you? Nope, now, that never happened to you. I always thought everybody wanted to fuck me. Yeah, yeah, maybe they did. Everybody. Every, yeah, every, any girl in new town be like, Oh, look at him, he's from Massachusetts and I'm from Vermont. HMM, I want to suck his Dick. I always thought that was going to happen, like there's a some weird connection or something like. You know, you're the foreign body entering the you know, the environment that they like. Oh, this is this is forbidden fruit. I think you watched too many pointos. Yeah, that could be the case. To actually know, I'm lying to you myself and the audience, because who watches poos anymore? Yeah, who could sit there? And I couldn't even stand the plot of Doctor. Strange in the multiverse of dness. HMM, how could I sit through something where's like, Oh, I am the delivery guy. Oh really, I just drop these strawberries on the floor. Let me bend over, hold on call the maid, do you know I mean? And then bounce bount wow, dick diggy, you know, Pizza's here, your pizza's yeah, we're the extra pepperoni. I bet you'd enjoy them a lot better if you eat mushrooms and watch porn. Yeah, you all. You know what I dare you? Yeah, I dare you to do that. All right, next time you're in the hot tub, sitting there not like Mad Dosa. Well, no, but you know what, I think you probably wouldn't have the instinct to do that on shureprobs not, probably not, but I want to see who talks to you then and what places you go right. You know, man, I've challenge, except that go on the old hub. Yeah, man, the porn hub. See what you can find and see what it's like when you're on shrum's awesome. I'll report back, because that's another thing. Back in the day, when you're a teenager, I let me do drugs and have sex. Yeah, so, always better when you're on drugs. Haven't said I remember the first time I ever had sex on acid when I was younger, and it was amazing, really. Yeah, wow. I know you wouldn't think so, nothing would be all like weird and awkward. Yeah, it was. It was pretty fucking great. See, I can't I don't have many recollections. I can't like there's not one moment where I'm like wow, I took this or that and got it was so much better. I think it's just better when you're sober. Yeah, you know, that's the weird part of life, is that we discover that way later. Yeah, most it is better when you're just sober. You know, I just celebrated my birthday and I didn't have a beer or anything. Everybody else is around me. At the we had like a is, an outdoor party at a pool, and you know, people bringing drinks and everything else. Oh, why are you drinking? I'm like, God, I don't need to drink to have a good time. Yeah, not me. Well, yeah, that's why I got a lot of good for you is. Oh yeah, we all like, I'm fucking like again. Not all heroes were capes, right, but no, seriously, man, I truly believe, like now, I'm just I guess if I took the shrooms, Sean connery would be like, good for you, you don't need booge to have a good time, and that's I think I was Chinese Sean Connery, but anyway, there's a mix between him and the guy who had the Maguay and Gremlins, right. But yeah, so, I don't know. I guess you just reach a point in your life for you like yeah, I don't need this shit and more. But back when you were fifteen, you like, dude, I totally could to get high to fuck right, I...

...can't find out something high, I give me the weed. Yeah, dude, that's how I talked to you. Want to want to have sacks when I get give me the weed. But you know, another quick thing here. Hotels. I like hotel. I love staying in hotels, and when I was in Mexico, thank God I chose a hotel rather than a family member's house, because they are in a water shortage. MMM, so the water was being shut off by the government at random. So you didn't know if the I want not. But guess what, you had water at the Hotel Bay Bay. My balls were clean. Yeah, and it is. It's makes you feel a little bit guilty too, because you're like, Oh, this citizens here that live here and pay taxes and everything, you know they don't get no water. Yeah, but I do, sucker. But on my way to Mexico, my family would driving, we get tired because getting late into the night, and so we stopped and we lay any cheap fucking place will work. We just need a place to hang our hats, sure, to lay down, relax, get some rest before we go back on our trip tomorrow morning. And we chose outside of San Antonio or red roof in. Now, when we first walked into the room, I mean everybody is a red roof in. Come on, you know, let's stop giving credit where it's not. Do we know? Motel sixes and all these places. They're not the fucking Ritz Carlton. You know. You know. This isn't where Fabio stays right with his I can't believe it's not butter money. So I go in there. I'm Goole Tie wet and my whole family like, these beds are hard as a rock, and they were. They felt like army cots. But whatever, I are paid for the this late a night. What am I gonna do? fucking check out and go somewhere else. All right, well, make do. And I'm laying there. I'm using my hand is a pillow. I don't my face to touch the pillow. Let's fucking gross. And I'm just sitting there. I'm thinking about, like how many hookers got throttled in this bed? How many lot lizards have dislocated Ed jaws, service and truckers in this bed that I'm laying in right now? How about it? And then I started thinking in further. This is about shroom, so I don't need that Shit. And I'm like how many crappy sleeping situations have I found myself in? Like how many? What are like the top three most uncomfortable places I've ever had to rest. HMM. And this segment, I shouldn't even call a seconds, not a segment for this show, because I couldn't, I couldn't cohesively come up with the top three, top five, even a top ten. A lot of shitty slumber. Yeah, I mean, I lived a lot, large part of my life. Is An addict as a dry is a drunk. So I mean, you know it. Just put two and two together. I just slept in some weird places, and I mean the same applies to you. You know, we've found yourself in prison, homelessness, everything. So I mean there's got to be a lot of crummy places. Yeah, you've rested your head. Yeah, where you were? You actually thinking of like naming any of them, because I got a few act just spout off the top of my head. If well, are do you want to go first? You started this. Let's go back and forth, as that sounds ping pong this son of a bitch. All right, you go first. You tell me one, I'll give you one and we'll see how far we can go with this before retire on it. And sure, yeah, you mentioned sleep, you mentioned homelessness and Whatnot, being an addict, used to stay at the shelter and wooster called the PIP shelter, which stoods for people in peril, shelter, pickup and there. It was this type of place where you would if you got there early enough, you could get a mattress, but if not, you just they gave you a blanket, you threw it on the hard, hard floor and just laid your head on, hopefully your shoes or something so you didn't get them stolen, because they would steal your shoes if you didn't have your head on them at night or if you weren't wearing them. But I remember having an awesome dream there and then waking up to the sound of the guy next to me farting, which got me out of my good and awesome and when I woke up the guy had pissed himself as well, for that isn't conjunction. Yeah, the Fart in the PIS. Yeah, well, I smelled it smelled like both Fart and Piss. He's got one pipe. Where do you open? When you open the valve? It's very fluaka barred word of the day kids, Klowaka. There you go. Okay, that's a good win. This's a good good. All Right, here's one for you. I this is fourth of July. HMM. I'm out partying with some friends, get Super Lit and I pass out in the back of a car, yeah, car for those not from New England. And the next morning I wake up I opened my eyes into stinging, violent pain, and the reason for this was my eye sockets head pooled with sweat because I was so stone cold drunk when I fell asleep the night before. Nothing could to, you know, Althar or change me from from...

...rising. Yeah, the fishes. So all the sweat for my Brown everything just pooled into my eyes. When I opened my eyes, I just opened them into a complete pool of sticky, gross, smelly sweat. Oh and my eyes burned for hours afterwards. Oh Man, yeah, that's a bit. That sucked. That was like really, really, really shitty. I didn't like that as very uncomfortable. Yeah, I bet. Yeah, all right, I'll. I will go and say that same time period, that when I was sleeping at the shelter. Sometimes, if the weather was nice out, like you wouldn't want to sleep in shelter, you'd go in grab a blanket like you were going to lay it on the floor and just go sleep in a park somewhere or something, and it was kind of nicer than sleeping surrounded by all the homeless people that may rob you and whatnot, if you could find a nice, secluded place outside. So we found this place under a building down in Shitty downtown wooster, but it was secluded. It was like there weren't a bunch of all those people around, but you could tell it was somewhere where everyone would shoot up and everything. There were, you know, needles and things all over the ground and it felt like paradise because it wasn't in the shelter and it was dark enough where we didn't really see it was. I say we because it was me and girl who was going through this all with me. But we slept outside under this building and we woke up to cops standing over us because apparently one of the people that lived in the adjacent building saw home most people like sleeping there or whatever, and called the cops. So I woke up to the cops being there and they ended up telling us they wanted to search all our stuff and I ended up getting arrested because, you know, I had drugs and needles on me. It's yeah, I worth. And so it was a shitty place to sleep under a building, but it was better than sleeping the shelter. And when I woke up I got arrested basically first thing. So that was kind of Shitty. You slept in a bed of needles. Yeah, and he woke up and went to the clink. Basically. All right, that's about you know. Let me let me give you another one here, okay, and you can remember this. You were there that night for a period of time because we went to go see cool Keith Yep at the Middle East in Boston and I was being a complete asshole to a bread out twice. You got kicked out of the same show twice. Yes, well, I also was not invited for the ride home with you guys because I was being such a fucking, just complete jerk. I mean drunk beyond were just being mean and nasty and everything else. So that night I don't know what to do. I called my mom. I was like mom, I needed to pick me up, and she's like where are you? I'm like, I'm in Rhode Island. You were in Boston. Yeah, she's at the area coasts Boston. I'm like, oh no, no, I'm telling him in Rhode Island. She's like, I love you, but I can't help you if I don't know where the hell. Yeah, I'm sorry, reach me, you know, call me in the morning. All right. So I all right, well, I need to find a place to sleep and I need to do it fast. So first I go into an alley and I kind of Crouch in the alley thing I can sleep in here. But then like a bunch of people walking by and they look Pretty Shady. I'm like, I'M gonna get fucking murdered. Yeah, I can't sleep here in this alley. I'm going to get killed. So I went and I started checking the doors on cars and a couple of car alarms went off. On my God run, but finally I found a car is unlocked. I opened the door, I jump and boom, I'm out like a light. Next Day I got woken up by street traffic, people walking by, you know, noise of everybody getting their coffees, doing their things, going to work on a good and I got out of the car. I was like all right, well, now I got to find a way home. But that was like I was so like you mentioned about being woken up by the cops. Yeah, I completely. When you're asleep, right, every life is a dream, and so you wake up you don't even realize you'd been the dick the night before and everything else that had happened you. So you could have been at home in your bed. Well, I was, and I was in the middle of Boston, in nowhere. I wasn't a stranger's car who had no idea. I was sleeping in the cars. Another reason I had to get out as soon as I was like, oh shit, someone catches me in here, I'm in trouble. Yeah, Dude. And you mentioned the area, coad saying Boston, because this was before cell phones. Yes, like so it wasn't even like you could just keep calling someone. You had to find a pay phone and call your mother and ask her to come up, and then she couldn't call you back. You know, you had to fucking it was. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that very well. Yeah, that's that was a shitty sleeping situation indeed. What do you say? We each do one more? All Right, I'm down one more and then we'll move on to something else. Sounds good. All right, so give me, give me a good one here, nate. All right, well, my last one. Well, I'll pick the one cell mate that I had that I did not get along with. I'm usually pretty easy to get along with and I find I can adapt. I'm adaptable. So...

I've done my fair amount of time in jail and always got along with my cell mates, no matter who they were, except this one, and I may have mentioned on a previous episode at some point, but his name was coujoe, we called him. Yes, yes, if you go back to our prison episode, which I think was like probably the first ten we did, if you go back to archive, you will find the tails of Coujo. Yeah, but basically just just almost any night in that cell because he had been his the his head had been run over as a small child by a car, I guess, on soft ground, so it didn't like smash his skull, it just kind of fractured pushing. Yeah, yeah, okay. So we had all these stress yeah, yeah, but he had set all these like steel plates in his head or whatever, which, yeah, he was very up and down moodwise, like he was always like he'd flip out for no reason and he'd and and he, yeah, just fly off the handle. I never ended up having to fight the guy, but there were several times that I thought I was going to have to and finally I realized the guy this one day. He started asking me questions about, you know, Oh, like inquiring about whether I had a girlfriend or what my sexuality was and all this stuff like and he's basically asking because it turns out, yeah, he was also gay and I found out that he was, which I have no problem with, but he was in there for like holding a young guy hostage and basically like raping and kidnapping somebody or something like. I don't know the details of the case, but it was something to do with that. Yeah, and and then he started asking me questions because I'm an addict. I think that saved my butt hole most of the nights, because he was worried that he was going to catch HIV or something from me, and I he knew one day somehow he heard me get called because I went and got an HIV test just for my own peace of mind one day, and he kept asking me if I got the results from my Ahv test, like he was way too interested. No, sope be yeah, I don't know, aboudy four weeks. Nope, having got those back in there could Joe, but that's basically yeah, so every night during that period when he was asking me about my HIV test. Oh my God, that's fucking a nightmare. Oh my gosh, terrible. And what do you you got one more? Well, I mean it's not going to compare to prison rape, whatever. I didn't officially get raped and may be close. Yeah. Well, this one I could have been raped. Yeah, I don't recall, because a lot of these stories have to do with like me getting fucked out of rides because I was a being a Dick. I think I know where you're gonna Oh, you know this one because we were roommates, yes, at the time, and I guess I'm going to try to give the short version of it. Was I was catching a ride with a buddy of ours, but I was at the Apple Orchard Kissing a girl that he was interested in and on the ride home I mouthed off to him, or summy said get out. I get out in the street. I don't know where I am. I have like a bottle of blackberry brandy with me or something. I just the last thing I remember I'm just walking down looking at some of the street lights. There's nobody. It isn't a bum fuck town. Call back to nate story, Boom Book. And Hey, the results of the test are in and you are not Kujo's lover. So then everything goes black dark. Next thing I know, I'm waking up. Is Freezing. I'm weighs deep in mud, like a pit of mud in the middle of the woods. I pull myself out of the mud pit. I'm missing a shoe. My glasses are like ten feet away. I find them, I put them on. I don't what the fuck. So I end up about walking and I find a house, a Nice House, and I ring the doorbell. I don't even know what time of the day it is. The lights barely even out. I think it was even still a little bit dark. Yeah, and I'm like, can you help me? I don't know where I am, I don't know what's going on and the like. Yeah, sure, you just stay here in the porch. And the COP show up and they're ask me questions. I give my poor mother, God rest our soul, I give him her information, everything, and she's up come to pick me up and luckily there we don't like charges pushed against me or whatever, being like a psychopath who just came out like swamp thing, covered in mud, covered in mud, out of the woods, missing shoes and the stuff. And Yeah, that was a startling way to wake up. And I don't know how. I'm not even know if I got hit by a car. I don't know how I ended up in the woods in the mud pit. I don't know if I was abducted. I could have been taken by alias, like I swear to God, anything could have happened. It's come even to this day. And that was how many years ago? Twenty yeah, help me out, three years ago, twenty four, many four years ago, and I this still a black spot. So maybe I keep saying notice rooms. Maybe if I took shrooms, you connect the dots and let me know what happened that night. But maybe I don't want to know. But I yeah, that that was fucking Shitty and I remember any time we tell the story after, you know, you'd be like, Oh, yeah, and then fucking I came home and you were like passed out on the couch or something, Yep, and I tried crawling into count on...

...the couch to steal your warmth. Yeah, I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring that up and say that actually is one of the times when I woke up uncomfortable. Is that when you came back covered in mud and everything. Yeah, you like came in and just I felt, yeah, somebody lift up the blanket that I was under on the couch and try to crawl in with me on account she was tiny. Yeah, and yeah, but you were cold and you know, it is what it is, but I needed some heat somehow. Man, holy macarroni that. Yeah, shitty. Yeah, man, but we also did we survived these, I think so. Yeah, lets this is, you know, Jacob's ladder situation. That's why I was just thinking really how. You know, you probably didn't want to say because I think we brought up Jacobs Ladder Way too many times on this show. Probably people apart like what the fuck, man, stop talking about DICKIB's ladder. All Right, I'm going to do thank our partners real quick, but I'm sorry, I was distracted because looking at my watch. Yeah, because I got a spam email from Ninja kitchen confirming an order from Walmart I didn't make. So that's an issue. Yeah, you know, my watch was liker rate. So my wrist is vibrating and what. I look at it and it's like hey, scam, but you'll tell you what's not a scam. These partners we got because I love them. Northland vaporcom. I'm a vapor. I love vaping. I know there's like a war on vaping, especially kind of like I guess to touch on the news real quick when I should be promoting our sponsor. But they ban like jewel the jewelry cigarette, which I get because, yeah, they market the kids and everything. Will Guess what? Northland vapor don't do that, baby. You know, Northland Vapor are big believers in smoking cessation products. So they're not targeting fucking kids, they're targeting people like me. They want me to quit smoking, just like they want for you. They don't want you freaking inhaling all that freaking chemical crap anymore because all of their e juice is are dike tone and artificial sweetener freeze, even less gunk to be put in your body. And I can tell you firsthand testimonial vaping has been an incredible thing for me and if I even smell a cigarette now I'll probably pull a fucking exorcist in my head will spin around a peace super go everywhere, because it's a disgusting habit and you got to quit it. So if you want to change your life, change your health, northland vaporcom is a great way to do that. And also on the health side of things, see be d I mean what haven't you heard about CBD in the benefits of CBD for just about any ailment you can think of. Well, luckily we partner with Alpine Hempcom and if you visit Alpine hempcom today, not only they always have like cool raffles and things like that to save you cupons with the codes, the discounts and everything else like that. We have one. We have one and that selling out nineteen to save nineteen percent off your entire order at both sites. That's northland vaporcom and Alpine hempcom. Now they also have a couple more companies underneath their umbrella, death by GUMMY BEARSCOM and Wonky Weedscom, which your gummy fan. That's definitely a place that you want to check out. But I love them. I can't get enough of them. Love them both. So definitely check them out. High endorsement from David Schultz, one of the hosts of the selling out show me. And then, last but not least, we have spunk loobcom spunk loube. Oh Yeah, baby. I mean, come on, you want to enjoy your sex life, make it a little bit easier for the one that you love by providing some lubric Asian. Now, spunklube is an award winning lubricant used by professionals in the adult film industry. But why let them have all the fun? You can now have spunk loub delivered discreetly to your home by visiting spunk lubecom. I did fail to mention, by the way, to a northern vapor also has brick and mortal location. So it's not all online. You can't get some human interaction in there as well. So I remember that Northland vaporcom, I'll bind hempcom death by gummy bearscom Wonkey wecom. Do I need to be Sayingcom at the end of all this? I feel like hops. You think so? It's like we when someone says www, yeah, you don't need to use at www dot anymore. HMM, do you? I'm old. I say it and then yeah, spunklubecom. But Nate, do we have a night's notes plan for today? You'RE gonna I have one. You'd like to hear it? Oh yeah, that sounds good. Why don't we rock and roll with that? Dust up your lps. It's time for nate. No, no, no. In this world of Social Media and constantly updated tabloid content, it's much harder for a band or singer to remain mysterious. Twitter...

...and Instagram, and, yeah, I even facebook, make everyone feel like their opinions have more weight, so it's hard for a celebrity to resist the temptation to just vomit all their points of view into cyberspace. We have phrases like respect the art, not the artist, but nowadays it's all but impossible to separate a person's work from whatever online presence they cultivate. They also used to say never meet your heroes, implying that the reality behind a celebrity persona is usually disappointing. And with all this breaking down of the celebrity Mystique, we can often determined how disappointing that reality is just by reading their tweets. Back in the S, none of this was possible. There were fan pages and chat rooms, but it wasn't like you could actually read an artist's thoughts, unless it was in a highly orchestrated and edited interview. For the most part, any of the musicians that I've looked up to or respected have been completely gracious to me when I got to meet them as a fan. There was a period in the late s where my band split obtained a modicum of success, and by Modicum I just mean we got to play regularly around New England, released a CD and even got to play with a handful of national acts, some of whom were really cool. We were also friendly with a few club owners and got to hang around backstage when a band we liked was performing there, even if we weren't on the bill. I remember getting to open for bust of rhymes, the super talented, larger than life rapper, when he was performing at the wooster palladium in one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight. We were super excited, being fans of bust us since his days and leaders of the new school and his appearances with a tribe called quest. We figured we'd get to meet him at least and maybe even smoke a blunt with the guy, but he stayed in his bus until showtime and when we asked his people if we could smoke him up, they pushed us away and gave us some excuse about not wanting him to get arrested in Worcester Mass. We knew he was undoubtedly hot boxing his whole tour of us right outside. I mean, I get it, we'd was still illegal and we were just some weird teenagers. He didn't know who got to open the show. Busta wasn't technically a dick to us. We didn't even get to meet him, but his people sure we're stuck up about the whole thing. Boston Rapper Mr Lift, who was also on that bill, made up for it by being Super Nice and even smoking us up. That, and the sheer size of the crowd that night made the whole thing really memorable, even if we didn't get to hang with bus of bus. One night at our regular hangout in pseudo home base, Worcester's Espresso Bar, the electric hell fire club was scheduled to play. They were an offshoot of famed industrial disco slee's band. My life with the thrill kill cult and I was a big fan of their first couple records. In direct contrast with bust of rhymes. The Hell Fire Club were more than happy to indulge with us. We definitely smoked a good amount of pot and I even gave singer Thomas Thorne a line of Crystal Meth at one point. I remember a swell of pride as he pinched his nose afterward in response to the drugs sting in his nostrils. He thanked me and said it was nice to have something different than coke for once. The Espresso Bar was a cool venue and the owner was a friend, so he would put us on the line up with bigger bands when he could. One Band who was on the rise at the time was California's incubus. Those guys were incredibly nice and humble from day one and we formed such a friendship that we would play with them whenever they came out this way, and if we couldn't be on the bill with them somewhere, they would at least get us into the show for free and backstage to hang out. At one point incubus were on the road and one of their openers had to leave the tour before a handful of dates on the east coast. They called our manager and asked us if we wanted to fill in. We jumped at the opportunity. We even knew a guy who owned a tour bus that we could use so we didn't have to like pile into our drummers station wagon or something. It felt super professional and I'm grateful that we got that opportunity. The other opening act for those shows was a little known band called system of a down. They were fairly unknown at the time but already signed to American records and moving quickly up the...

...ladder to international acclaim. Our first day on the tour we were playing the Webster Theater in Hartford Connecticut. We got backstage a few hours before the GIG and there was a craft services table with platters of food, cold cuts and vegetables, some hot dishes or casseroles or whatever. We asked and it was for all the bands, so we grabbed plates and started eating. Shortly thereafter, system of a down came in. Most of the guys were fairly decent to us. Their bass players, Chavo, seemed nice enough, but their guitarist, Darren, started flipping out that someone had already tapped into the food. It didn't matter that we were on the bill, that we were friends with the headliners that we were all musicians in the same boat living this cool experience together. He couldn't believe that we, some random teenagers from mass to choosets, had dared to start eating that food. Before the great, yet still mostly unknown Darren Malaychian arrived, we also watched him be rate people on his own staff for issues relating to his wardrobe. Just a bunch of cocky rock star behavior, and they weren't even rock stars yet. He was a standoffish Dick for the rest of the tour, even when we would congratulate him after a good set, just unnecessarily Douchey. Later that year we saw our buddies tour bus, the same one we had used for those incubus shows, parked at the warp tour. He would basically lend it out to bands that he knew, as long as he could drive it. We found him standing by the bus and offered to smoke a joint with him. He said sure and invited us on to the bus. It was pretty cool to be at the warp tour and to be able to escape the crowd and the heat and have a safe place to light up, but before long these dudes entered the bus and started bitching at us. Who the fuck are you, where are you doing on our bus, etc. Mind you, we were there with the owner of the bus, who we were currently smoking up, plus we had some history with said bus when these guys were apparently just using it for the day. We finished smoking and left the bus with a bad taste in our mouths from this band of assholes. Turns out they were another band who are just starting to make headway in those days of new metal, and it was already going to their heads, not unlike Darren from system of a doubt. who were they? A shitty flash in the PAN called God smack. Maybe you remember them. So yeah, bands are just made up of people. Some are cool and make cool music, some are shitty and make cool music, some, I'm sure, are cool and right shitty music and finally, some like God smack, are just shitty through and through. So, man, you remember? You actually there, I think, for that God smack interaction? No, I wasn't. You weren't? No, no, I'm glad I wasn't, because God smack fucking sucks. They the biggest fucking posers of all time and you know, I feel like I've brought this up to everybody who's ever mentioned them to me. Yeah, but the the big issue I have with them was I saw an interview when they hit big on MTV and someone it said, well, yeah, so you guys fans Alice and chains, right, I god smack, get it, you know, and they were like, Oh, no, the guy sully there's like no, that wasn't it at all. was because one of our band members had a cold, sore something, and we said you were God smacked. They were a fucking alice and chains cover band. Right, okay, for that's how they got fucking around town, was being a cover band. But they wouldn't admit that, wouldn't fucking come clean when they finally started making some money. So fuck you, right, because, yeah, God smack was it was the name of a Evan and Alison chains song. Yeah, and yeah, they, they, yeah, I remember that. I think we were living together at the time when that interview came out. That about where they said that they were trying to a claim that the name God smack wasn't from the alas and chains song. Yeah, so I hope they're all fucking Peyton fences right now. I know have no more money. I hope their kids are broke and a wearing fucking trash bags his shoes with Daddy. I know, I know. It's like, ironically system of a down, who is from the same era, but at least had a little something more interesting to their music. Like I'm not a system of a down fan, but at least their music was a little more unique. Like God smacks is just, yeah, pretty by the numbers, Shitty NU metal, and as a result, God smack a really nowhere nowadays. I mean system of a down is doing reunion shows. They broke up for a time and now everyone wanted them...

...to get back together and now they're playing some, I don't know, one off dates. I don't know if they're touring, but but yeah, nobody wants to see God smack anymore, you know, nor should they. They had the biggest frauds, like they just complete pieces of crap and slowly Arna. What kind of name is sully Erna, the lead singer? Yeah, what think? You know? I know, it's like one of those things when you were a kid and you're in a band, like you try to like you mentioned, you trying to be cool to other acts and like, Hey, Yo, we're all the same boat, right. Yeah, he's one that, if I saw him on the street, I'd punch him in the face. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not saying a violence is good, not say violence is bad either, but there's a certain times when someone's life really could use a fucking nice slap to the jaw, and he's one of them. So, yeah, and the same thing when I said, Oh, I hope his kids are wearing trash bags of shoes, duct tape shoelaces, I don't. You know, I don't want to see kids in poverty, but man, what a fucking yeah, yeah, you know, in the guitar player you mentioned for system of a down. I kind of get it, because ego is everything, right, when you're thinking, when you think you're the hot shit. I mean, how many times do you met a creator, a writer, anybody, an artisan? He talked to him. They're full of themselves, right, you kind of have to be got to have that little swagger to you if you want to make it in the business or whatever you're trying to do in life. It doesn't matter if you milk cows for a living, right, right, I'm the best with that utter you ever done. Seen. I can grab a teat like nobody else. Right. This is there some guy out there, I'm sure you know. Okay, you can pan. Yeah, there you go. You know. So I kind of get it a little bit, you know, and I maybe if you talk to him now, Oh the errors of youth, right. Yeah, you know, or maybe not, I don't know, but I'm saying like I could have seen myself in that similar situation where I would have been like, who are these motherfuckers? I'm in this band and I'm going to be begging, blah, Blah Blah. But yeah, yeah, I know, man. I it was a weird time, like music wise, because there's a lot of heavy bands out right now that the musicians are super, super talented and super like virtuosic in there playing and write some interesting music. But back then it was like post grunge, Post Nirvana, where they kind of made it, made it okay to not be some great player. It was that punk rock esthetic of just I can play a few chords, I can write a song, and that was great. That opened the gates for a lot of people, but then the authenticity went out the window. With a lot of the new metal bands. It was almost like, I don't know, they were just believing their own hype. And if you listen to Darren Maleaychian's guitar playing from system of down, none of it is really that impressive, like it's all single note stuff for easy chords, power chords and Shit, and I don't know, he was like believing his own height. H Y had a war drollers so you thought he was Liberaci exactly exactly. You like a pool boy, like who joe wanted to imprison it. You know. Yeah, man, he was. He's kind of a douchebag. I it. I don't know what it says about me that I'm still writing a segment about it, but yeah, I was just I don't know. I was thinking of guys that were kind of Dickish and others that were there were nice, and the guys from incubis were always this, the coolest dudes. They were from day one, just really nice dudes to us. And, like I said, even if we they come around and even if we didn't get to open for him on that go round and want to hang out, yeah, they would be like, you know, we'd be in touch with them and they'd say, yeah, we're playing at this venue, come down, they'll be tickets for you out front and you can come backstage and whatever. And I got to meet a couple of other bands that they would play with because of that and stuff, you know. But well, but anyway it is personally, I don't have a lot of interactions like you do, so I can't cite a lot of stuff. I've told my Evan Dando from the lemon head his story on air before. Yeah, but why don't you refresh it? I will not. I'm going to say gold. Look it up, okay, and I should be better and I should be oh, this is episode number twenty two on the selling out rotation. I I don't know, but I talked about it. You can go find it. Yeah, I don't. And I was scared of Greg the Hammer Valentine when I was a kid. I saw him an abdows wow. Yeah, the big boy use eating some flapjacks. You look like you fucking had a rough night. He's read as a lobster wow man. Yeah, so you look like a gay librarian even then, seating his fucking sticky, sticky pancakes. But yeah, I mean, as far as like meeting celebrities and stuff, you definitely have the up, the advantage in that one because you're in the band, a successful band. But I guess I also relates to what I was saying about the guitar player from system of a down, because we were in a local band together and when a girl would come up to me and be like, Oh, you your lyrics or something, or Eli I'm I fucking made lyrics up, I wasn't like since, Ye,...

...hear about anything, but I was like yeah, look at me, yeah, look at me go. Yeah, look at that, I got a fan, I'm important, I'm someone's good. It feels good, but it's nothing. Yeah, in the grand scheme of things, we're all this fucking specs it dust. Yeah, well, so, be nice to people, folks. Yeah, if you get some success, be nice. Yeah, there you go. Be Nice. I was about to go on a whole thing where I was just like yeah, we're floating in the cause most on a rock, a Mudball, ussurooms on mushrooms where ants? Yeah, you know just fucking how insignificant our lives truly are. You Really Be Nice? Be Nice people, be good to others, which is good advice. Yeah, man, be good, because we're all insignificant. Our lives are short and we're just on a rock and we're all going through it. So don't be addictive everyone, because everyone's you know, because you're not that important and everyone else is just as important as you. So we're decades later. Someone's going to call you a douchebag on a podcast. Right, watch out fast, what's going to happen? Yeah, now everybody's going to hear this and wherever he is out there in the world, he's going to feel shame. It's very terrible embarrassment. Thanks, nate. Good job, you got it, man. Yeah, so well, that's a good piece, nate. Thanks, I like that one. Thanks, because you know it. Yet again, it is important to remember that. I don't know celebrities, they're still human beings and everything like that, but some of them are just not nice people. Yeah, and that sucks. Yep, you know. Actually, if you are a fan and you meet someone in their a Douchebag, that's worst and that's my intention. That's what I'm going to do in the whole podcasting realm. Someone means me, I'm going to be the biggest jackass. I'm going to treat you like Shit. We can play good cop, bad cop. May It's going to be nice to you. He's going to tell you good things about you and appreciate your listenership, and I'm going to say, Hey, man, unless you come up with some fucking crystal meth and want to fucking play on my bung hole in the bathroom, we're not friends. Yeah, man, I'm just kidding. M Yeah, I'm exactly the opposite, like, wow, holy shit, you like my show. Bless you. I might play with your Bunghole in the bathroom. That's what's Nice. Yeah, it's nice to feel like people appreciate what you do. Yeah, so exactly. It's a wonderful feeling. All right, Hey, well, we had a long show this time around. No, it's been very, very long and I never mentioned any way to reach us, so I guess if you stuck around this long, thanks, and if you ever want to tell us about the crappy places you've slept or your experiences taking mushrooms, psychedelics, possibly your anger over third grade assemblies or, hell, even in a celebrity that you met that just wasn't up to what your expectations, you can email us. Selling out show at GMAILCOM. Find US on instagram selling out show. I just posted a Bookowski t shirt on there. I haven't seen that yet. And you know what, I think you did see the one where I posted the autographed album cover from clutch, the bank. I did. So that's an interaction I had that I complete the espresso bad espress. Of By that I was complete Weirdo. Yep, maybe we can get into that another time. Yeah, but, yeah, that's on the instagram. You get the facebook kicking your posting the movie recommendations on there. It's rights an, I think. If there's something you think we should be watching, reach out to us and let us know or appreciate us, we just mentioned. When we need it, we want it. Yeah, so they crave it, crave it. Yeah, so, yeah, we really suck it ending shows. Sorry, yeah, we suck at starting them. We suck it ending them. We're good at the middle of the middle. Is Not bad. It's not bad at all. So all right. Well, let me do my normal sign off here, and I appreciate all of you. Virtual hugs for each and every one of you, and I really do mean that, since therely, luckily, virtual hugs are free. There's no contact involved, right, so there's no transmitting of any kind of molecules, which can be a good thing, especially postpand it. But we still post pandemic? Are we still in the pandemic? What's going on with the pandemic? Nique, you can us a pandemic update. I feel fine. I got a sniffle maybe, but I don't know. You guys are on your own, all right. Well, I am Dave. That is nate, and this has been the selling out show past. Why God s.

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